Just curious, is the C30 using BBE or BBE+? I'm asking coz the newer Cowon models (>S9) use BBE+

So without BBE, the C30 sounds very much like the Gumstick?

Lol bro, you say that BBE is used in 'high end' Cowon players. All (or most) Cowon players are more expensive than the C30 price that you offer. I'm just pointing out that you're contradicting what you said.

Wa, why the hate? The sentence I bold, is that supposed to be sarcasm directed at me? I don't own a C30 so I can't comment on the sound, or perhaps you knew and wanted to take a cheap jab @ me?

Anyway, all I meant from my post is that what I quoted previously DOES contradict what you wrote or a better word would be that you're mistaken when you said that price doesn't really justify whether the product is of higher end. It seems that I hit a nerve which was not my intention when I posted and for that I apologize. You mentioned BBE being in high end Cowon players and that the C30 uses the same technology. You also wrote that the C30 uses the same BBE found in Cowon players. The players you mentioned (Cowon J3, D2, D3) all ARE more expensive than the C30 - fact. I didn't mention the Sony because I don't know which Sony you are referring to.

Also "High-end audio can refer simply to the price, to the build quality of the components, or to the subjective or objective quality of sound reproduction." <-- Assuming that this quote taken from here is accurate, then you are mistaken when you said that price doesn't really justify whether the product is of higher end when in fact it is PART of what makes an audio equipment high end.

That's a very bold statement depending on how you look at it.
I'm already thinking of getting a C30 just to see how it really measures up to the HM-801

Thanks for clearing that up. But I'll take a listen to it anyway just so I know what kind of sound the C30 has.

Got it

Soundstage would be the accuracy with which a reproducing system conveys audible information about the size, shape, and acoustical characteristics of the original recording space and the placement of the performers within it. So if I'm reading what you wrote correctly then yes, you just nailed the soundstage part.

If you're referring to the preset EQ called BBE then yes, I agree that when turned on, my songs feel more immersive.

Edit: That definition of soundstage was quoted from somewhere.. Can't remember where

This post has been edited by MrJinggles: Mar 11 2011, 10:14 PM

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Are you trying to say that BBE is not applied when FLAC files are played because there is nothing to restore in the first place?

Edit: I've just tried having BBE turned on my BBE capable device and the effects are present when playing FLAC files.

This post has been edited by MrJinggles: Apr 27 2011, 08:53 PM

Have you tried the quick format method? Plug in the C30 and right click the drive and click on format. The quick format option should be there.

The Windows format method is not very reliable to be honest. Try this software, I use it to format all my external memory cards and Sansa Fuze.
http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm

If Agnaem's method doesn't work, give this a shot.