So without BBE, the C30 sounds very much like the Gumstick?

I feel that my ears hurt after use the F1 for about 30 minutes. Maybe my ears not suit to it. I pair it up with my Sony MDR-XB300 with BBE on. Nice, but have to up the volume to 20+

So that is the point......sad~  

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Added on March 10, 2011, 9:52 pm

currently with me is the F1 and my PL30,this saturday when i back my hometown i will try it on my triplefi and PL50

seems like this is great. would like to try it out soon.

Gumstick do not play 24bit, same to C30.

C30 is using Class AB amplifier where gumstick are Class A amp. Class AB have less pushing power, so i do not think that it can push well on higher impedance headphone

Gumstick use about 85%-95% of volume to push DT880, so i do not think C30 can do that well as it have less pushing capability.

On the other hand, just read and i wish to correct some point here. Based on the technical design of this mp3 player. Class A amp are supposed to have better design and hence it is actually sound better.

BBE equalizer do not actually improve the sound, but it equalize the sound, as everybody know, Equalizer general make the sound changed, not better, It is always equal, one thing go up, the other thing go down, as layman term.

LOLx....actually i off BBE,for the sake that i don't really like color to my collections....but c30 does shines even BBE off.............
p.s:none(if i not mistaken) of the true audiophile will wish to color their song with eq,at most we will only EQualized some freq if some pairing issue with the system,which ultimate goal is to make FLAT recording,the true enjoyment of the music the way it's meant to be heard by the recorder.

c30 does shines even BBE off.

seems you are not welcome me. 
I m here as i dont wish to have anybody to be mis-informed.

From your point of view, So the factory shall discontinued their Class A model as it is no point keeping it, Class AB have bettery life and etc? If then why would Hisound Audio price their Class A higher than Class AB. For your informations, the design are different, and you get different grade products.

I have tried this C30 months, or year ago.

Please do not point out, where this BBE used. Do this justified this is a high end settings or things like that? and i m not sure, whether BBE have grade different? It is just a equalizer. But, how can a equalizer make song better? It is one thing up, and one thing down, that's why it called "EQUALizer". I have tried with one friends here, with his cowon player, i think he will totally agree with me, equalizer is something to make yourself happy, not to make yourself to have better sound ?

Sorry i will not wish to have any war here. Just retained this as pure discussion ok?

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Added on March 11, 2011, 3:25 pm
Yes, you got the correct point, BBE is not something to make sound better, it is a equalizer, to make sound changed. BBE is more on a shortcut of good EQ settings. Enjoy your music   

Sorry i will not wish to have any war here. Just retained this as pure discussion ok?

Thanks for letting me to write something here.

I have never use any of my authority if you can seen all my previous reply. I came here as personal LYN (not Jaben) and i do not hold any special power. Because i worked in Jaben store, it make me always have the difficulty to post anywhere, the new user here tend to perceive me to promote this and that. But you can find that, i hardly post, to prevent any misunderstanding. All of the senior member here told me to have same problem, so everybody hardly came here, and it become so cool here. We need more technical ppl to explain to everybody. It is out, let's cut it here.

BBE is not something to mentioned as it do not represent to be higher end. It is used in higher end player, but it do not justify to claim that, this give better sound, as my previous post, it is just to give you a better shortcut on better equalizer. Equalizer are always equal, one thing up and one thing down.

But as you can find from post above, it do not actually make sound more enjoyable, it is different from people to people. Your customer also point out that, BBE is too color to them? Not to flame you but i will admit C30 is a good player, from my ear it is not better than gumstick, and the BBE will not make any player, or any sounds to be tiger and cat? agree?

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Added on March 11, 2011, 3:57 pm
If you can understand what is the design of both player, Hisound Class A and Class AB, you will know the grade is really defined by the price differences.
I have both unit of Class A and Class AB Hisound player at my side, all of my customer told me, Class A is better than Class AB.

Lol bro, you say that BBE is used in 'high end' Cowon players. All (or most) Cowon players are more expensive than the C30 price that you offer. I'm just pointing out that you're contradicting what you said.

just got my unit on hand this morning...

seems like there is quite a few present EQ in C30..
do you know which one is the most suitable for overall performance?
i changed around but can't really feel the different using those sample files in C30..

ooh i think i stumbled onto something about the BBE. Initially when I got hold of the C30 I was amazed and fascinated by the BBE and so at every opportunity I would try out the different BBE settings. Then I noticed there were times and with certain songs when the BBE menu 'disappeared' leaving me with the Normal, Rock, Pop etc choices or even more infuriating 'Disable BBE'. I thought maybe it was a bug or firmware issues or even a glitch and so I would do a reset but no joy. After awhile I resigned myself to the fact that this may be a quirk of the C30 and hey! for less than 200 bucks what was I expecting anyway, perfection? So I went along happily playing my songs and for the times the BBE menu disappeared, well it troubled me less and less cos I was more than satisfied with the SQ I got for the money I paid.

And then EUREKA! In my constant googling I came across something about BBE that seems to explain the missing BBE menu as well as the raison d'être for BBE. Here it is:
It may be that with lossless formats like FLACS there is no reason for the BBE to kick in and restore the dynamics and clarity since it is NOT compressed which is why the BBE menu on the C30 'disappears'. BBE would work with lossy formats like mp3's in restoring the dynamics and clarity. Another point I noted (I may be in conspiracy theory mode here  ) is that Barcus Berry Electronics was started by a violinist and an electronics wiz, that is a musician and a techie. Most of you who listens to music do so in the persona of an audience that is you are sitting 30 or more feet away from the stage where the orchestra plays or some distance away from where the band performs. As an audience listening in on the performance of the artist/s is a totally different feel if you are the performer up on the stage with your peers playting the music. The sound has to be different for the performer and the spectator. Could the founders of BBE have been working to recreate an immersive feel to the music... so you would be right up there in the midst of the musicians and not be distanced from the music as in audience - artists. It seems that in later years BBE was undergoing constant development by notable electric guitar player s so it has always been something with a lot of input in its development from musicians. Fascinating what with info on BBE being really scarce and hard to come by even on the internet. 

So can some of you corroborate that the BBE choices menu goes missing when playing lossless formats like FLAC and WAV? maybe even APE....

sry I read that 'less compressed' part incorrectly. It was not a typo so I have corrected my error. It just means that the BBE is for improving the SQ specifically the dynamics and clarity of the (more compressed) music (meaning low bitrate mp3's) to the SQ level of 'less compressed' sources (meaning high bit rate mp3's). Since lossless is uncompressed you don't get to tweak the sound with BBE. Thats cool cos BBE does not allow for the colouration of 'good sound' from 'good sources' like lossless formats. 

exactly and they used a very nice term for it.... sonic restoration!

Meaning that if I am using FLAC format it is inadvisable to turn on BBE? as it doesn't help much on "restoring" the music reproduction?

BBE isn't just to fill in gaps. One of their settings are, which enhances lower quality bitrates, but BBE, and Mach3Bass is there to enhance the listening experience. Adding more than just an EQ would, working behind the scenes, a lot more dynamically.

I even think that with flac the bbe settings would be much more useful and sound better. and that's becuase with flac you get the full audio spectrum and the bbe effects got more frequencies to work on/with.

Put me in owner list.. cube c30 is an awsome player.. 

Im using nationite nanite n2 from mp4nation, can i join u guys?  Coz the spec all the same.

yup maybe, mp4nation rebrand the cube.

I am sorry I have to lead myself out of this C30 club. Some bumper crusher forced me to fork out the cash to fix my bumper, and now I'm left with an uncomfortable amount in the bank so I need to top it up a little. 

The link is in my sig.