last few years, I saw a lot of projector thread. Some talk about Optoma projector..

nowaday, not many talk about it. Why ar? Projector now not suitable for home theater?

obsolete la. beside the lamp is bloody expensive

really ar? omg... so how if people want big screen at cheaper price ? LCD/Plasma at 60" very expensive yo... not to mention
its damn big

If you have projector then 60" is nothing

This is a false statement. Projector technology is not obsolete.

But you guys no mention why the interest in projector is dwindling...

With due respect..

You can only speak for urself .. there..

Bang for bucks, its still d best value for money in terms of size to capital expenditure..

HD250 user n lovin it
D

So now, the best for buck projector for home theater is HD250?

Projector is not obsolete. It needs a room with controllable ambient light to perform at its best. Hence, not many ppl could have the luxury of a dedicated room for projector. Some transformed their living halls to accommodate the projector by using black-out curtains.

A good projector can really output very high PQ. Moreover, projector has becomes more affordable in recent years, which is good for consumers.

Once you go the projector path, there will be no turning back. Like geforce1999, 60" is indeed very small if you ask someone with a projector. I have seen many projectors setup. Average size is 92" - 106".

dirtrun, congrats on the new JVC baby! There is a unit on demo in HN, Ikano. Very good PQ for the price. How much that you paid for?

Its good to hear that people are beginning to counter-reply in positive manner.

Why do u say its dwindling? Becoz u see less posting in lyn? I think lyn attracts a different kind of crowd that's why.
As htkaki put it, pj requires a different setup that the posters here r not willing to do. Its a different crowd.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 21 2011, 11:07 AM

thanks bro

Last time was a lot compare to now

Last time fewer people had projector. Now they might already bought. So now there are less inquiries.

i want projector but no money...how?

means market is small?

earn more money

Because those who wanted to get projectors and the whole set up were busy working hard to making money in order to afford such projectors while others waste their precious time to open up threads asking why 'not many people open thread ask about projector'.

Now those people who have worked hard have bought the said projectors and are now shaking legs in the comfort of their respective homes watching their favourite movies in glorious high definition while some others STILL insist on wasting their precious time wondering why 'not many people open thread ask about projector'.

Comprendo senor?

This post has been edited by dariofoo: Jan 21 2011, 11:50 AM

it's th trend nowadays to go for the slim tvs over projector. this is just a trend, whatever u want to use is up to u. and projector is not obsolete. plasma is obsolete.

some people need holes drilled into their heads...

anyway, the lowew cost of LCD screen nowadays comapred to years ago make it a suitable replacement for projectors especially when the owners do not have much need for anything bigger than 60" or do not want to deal with cumbersome, short-lived, and expensive projector lamps.

Nothing wrong in opening a thread like this and this does not prove that TS is not hardworking. Perhaps he wanted to surver the market before he can purchase it.

plasma is obsolete??!!

no one is talking about projectors in the forum as much anymore because all those that been inquiring for ages have gotten one for themselves already

So, you think you can represent majority people?

As of today, plasma is not obsolete either.

I was actually quite interested to buy projector. Last time I read a lot from this forum. But now when I really want to get it,
the hoohaa died down and I wonder if I should buy a projector since the market is small, the spare parts will be hard to get.

But dunno why he want to shoot me like that

Then I think you should have worded your question differently.

The projector market will always be much smaller compared to TVs. I think some of the reasons have already been explained above.

If you want a projector, then be clear about its advantages and disadvantages. If you wanna know if spare parts are hard to get, ask about that. Instead you ask about if projector not suitable for HT?

100% agree! +1

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Added on January 21, 2011, 2:11 pmPlasma is past... it soon being replace.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jan 21 2011, 02:11 PM

hmpp....i think its dariofoo who is shooting you ....

anyway, if you have the space, nothing beats a projector. I have a panny AX100 project. Although its only a 720p, but the pleasure that you are getting from a projector is totally different from any LCD or plasma. With the right lighting and screen, the image is spectacular.

For me, my KL condo due to space constraint, i choose an LCD over a projector but if you have a dedicated HT room with the right condition for projector then nothing beats a full size projector image.

*remember to put aside your budget for a good screen.

The less talked bout is also due to the fact that most of us are "Audiophile" and less of "Videophile"

LCD will be obsolete faster than plasma

but but.. .I said no more hot for HT la.. sometimes this technological things are fad mah... i seldom read in this forum, so I
just ask lor... i think dariofoo no need to shoot me like that

thanks bro... i'll try to get more info then...

That's the point I was trying to make, albeit in a more no-holds-barred way.

No hard feelings mate.

Probably you can rephrase your question properly. Was too tempted to shoot at the open target you placed

got a man cave? go for projector.

if you got big wall for display.. I'm sure you'll be tempted to choose projector over big lcd..

yeah, id say plasma is goign obsolete. even toshibapioneer has stopped producing their wonderful kuro plasma TVs

explain why plasma is not obsolete when both mainstream and specialized tv manufacturers have stopped producing them.


This post has been edited by powerfulcool: Jan 21 2011, 03:43 PM

projector Lamp "tak tahan lama", 5000hrs only.
LCD can go up to 100000hrs.

now we all talking about 3D tech, 3D lcd and plasma easy to get, 3D projector hard to find

the only display consider obsolete is CRT( now who want to argue with me on this) he. he.

PS. My AC-outlet extension/expansion cable oledy burn two month ago, i oledy bought new one and now it already producing bzzzzzzzz... sound. its KHIND brand. Any one can suggest me a good AC-outlet extension/expansion cable,
i need for ganged socket with total power consumption around 2000W.

This post has been edited by ariff_tech: Jan 21 2011, 03:46 PM

So did you mean that Panasonic and Samsung are not mainstream and specialized TV manufactures?

3D projector already available few years ago during 720p days. Not many ppl get projector because not many ppl have the money for a dedicated av room. Projector is only a small part of the setup cost. There's no way you can get 100-150 inch full hd screen from an LCD. Size does matter and even 65in is considered puny compared to projector.

How many unit they out for Plasma compare with LCD/LED? LCD/LED keep improving and now everyone talk about Green (important for earth), Plasma is power consumption and heat.

Even the mainstream Panasonic which considere big brother on Plasma also start invest on LCD/LED.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jan 21 2011, 04:14 PM

i have an cheap lo-res projector and LCDs.
watching a movie or concert on projector is a whole diff experience, love it.
unfortunately, the 1080p proj are very costly still, bulb costly for the hrs.
if the price come down enough, i will surely get one of them.
more so if one has a big enough room for it.
proj definitely for the ones who know how to enjoy a good video!

lcd/plasma is convenient and good enough for small av rooms, normal living rooms.
esp when you do a mix of astro, ntv7, pasar malams dvds.
waste of money to do proj for such purposes.

Few months ago, I read this article regarding US's Q3 growth rate for Plasma vs. LCD.

Q3 Plasma Growth Rate Tops LCD TV

Aaah...

What started as a projector thread has turned into a LCD vs Plasma thread.

As of today, neither plasma nor LCD is obsolete.

The last few years have seen a few players exiting the display industry altogether. Fujitsu exit the industry a couple of years ago, Sony stopped making plasmas and started working with other LCD manufacturers to focus on LCD, Hitachi exit the plasma market. Some early players like Toshiba and Sharp big name players in the LCD industry stopped working on displays in the Americas and Europe and only makes displays for Asian consumption. Last year Pioneer exit the industry altogether.

Lets face it, this is just not good news to the display industry. The main players now are Samsung, LG and Panasonic. Contrary to popular belief, all three of them do both LCD and Plasma. Panny is mainly plasma, while the other 2 are mainly LCDs.

The projector industry has also been making good strides. Improvements in the light source with PhatLight LED light source now enables bulbs that are supposed to last as long as 20000hrs. Thats a long time. LCOS and SXRD both hybrids from the LCD pj technology have made significant improvements. TI which dominated the DLP for quite a long time has made quite a bit of improvements to their technology and there seems to be some competition for them soon.

In short, for the sake of keeping these manufacturers honest, we need the LCD, plasma and the pj to compete with each other. For me at least,, I would like plasma to continue being significant to keep the LCD makers to further improve. OLED shd come in the next 5 yrs to keep pushing the envelope.

While many believe that plasma is dying a slow death, the invent of 3D which is better suited for the phosphor technology at the moment seems to have shown some revival for plasma. Plasma has some tricks up its sleeve like 5 lumens tech, but the industry seems to be moving towards 3D more this year.

So, let's all agree that at the moment the more these guys compete the better and lower the cost of displays will be for consumers.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 21 2011, 04:31 PM

LCD picture quality can not be as good as 'obsolete' plasma.

Only now is LED picture quality approaching (not surpassing) 'obsolete' plasma.

So now it seems when it comes to PQ, it's a choice between 'obsolete' tech and 'lousy-PQ' tech.

The way I looked at it, those who buy TV for picture quality goes for 'obsolete' tech Plasma.

Those who buy TV to show friend they have big TV goes for 'lousy-PQ' tech. Never mind picture quality not nice. It's the size that counts.

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Added on January 21, 2011, 4:49 pmSure everything in this world will past. Even the mighty "the sun will never set" British Empire had passed. It's a matter of when.

The way I looked at it, for big sized TV, Plasma's cost:performance advantage will be around for quite a few more years.

BTW, LED will pass....it will be replaced also by something newer in time to come. Just don't know when



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 21 2011, 04:49 PM

alright guys.. let's agree to disagree. and thanks for the one who provided this link. at least that's something from an official channel and not from opinions and word of mouths

what of those projectors? id say that it was a trend going downhill. a projector setup is definitely more expensive and space consuming as u need to set a room for your setup. an lcd tv requires less total space. u can even use LCD tv as your pc monitor; cant do the same with projectors.

Going by that argument, the best car in Malaysia is the Kancil simply because there are more of those on our Malaysian road. And by that same argument, Ferrari and Rolls Royce are the lousiest car because people don't buy them and they must be 'obsolete' tech.

But I do agree that LCD/LED outsell Plasma not because Plasma is lousy but rather a lot of consumers are ignorant and hoodwinked by salesperson and people like yourself. And yes, Plasma has it's drawback and so do LCD/LEd. Go into any showroom and the vast majority of salesman repeat the same urban myth of "plasma is obsolete" without explaining to the consumers the pros and cons of both technologies. These salesperson are simply one-sided 'know nothing' idiots. The truth of the matter is, if PQ, size and money is at the top of your list, then Plasma is very competitive and should not be dismissed simply because some idiot say "it's obsolete" tech,.

Now here is some food for thought for those with brain. Why is it that, in Western market, Plasma is doing very well. Are the Westerner stupid or are Malaysian consumer stupid?

For me, my main complaint about Plasma are the reflective screen. I can live with the other cons of Plasma like increase power consumption (but then, I am not so poor as not able to afford a few cent more per day higher electricity bills). As for the greater weight, I do not have the habit of dong weight lifting with it on daily basis so I can live with it also.



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 21 2011, 05:03 PM

Ferarri and bentleys also more expensive than toyota but u don't see them disappear. Cant compare men to boys.

Goodness gracious me!

We're talking about cars now?

I never said Plasma lousy, but I dislike the way of plasma - they way it display, the reflective screen, the weight, the heat and etc, you can't said I am ignorant and hoodwinked by salesperson.

Sorry lo.... I never listen to salesperson.......... anything I buy because I like it and look for it and check myself. Trust ourself is the best way not regret buying any things in life.

It not means buying plasma is brainless v/s LCD/LED. It all base on what you like.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jan 21 2011, 05:19 PM

Obsolete = don't look at it = don't buy = lousy = you will regret = whatever. Different wording. Same meaning.

As for the way it's being displayed. Go check out a Full HD version. When watching at near distance, I do see line scan on HD Ready version. For big screen, Plasma is the most cost effective solution, assuming you can accept it's other fault but obsolete tech shouldn't one of the reason to reject.

It's a metaphor

I pd..

Circa RM8k for d hd250..

D

who said LED TV screen not reflective??

buys n gurls, enjoy the age of choice, not get all beaten up over it.

dun think we wanna go back to the age of ford model t - you can have any color you like as long as it is black.

and the lak of plasma tvs as a choice signifies something. betamax is superior to vhs but it was obsolete earlier than vhs

geddit boys?

Ok.

yup,

like turn table and records, it never die.........

Unfortunately some people mistakenly thought the reason why LCD outsell Plasma is due to Plasma being older technology. IMO, the main 2 reasons why Plasma sell less:

1. People with not enough money will buy the smaller screen and smaller screen are all dominated by LCD. On the other hand, bigger screen (read....expensive) are mainly dominated by Plasma
2. Lots of people spreading half baked ideas that Plasma is old technology.

some people need holes drilled into their heads...

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 21 2011, 08:44 PM

How much is the HC3800 now in malaysia? how bout HC4000? Thanks

Listen to a good turntable (a really really old obsolete technology) and you will know what's being produced is true music. In comparison, some newer technology digital CD are merely notes and sound in comparison.

Unfortunately many people are being seduced by the term "digital" and "newer technology" and "perfect sound every time" advertisement slogan of Philips and never mind the inferior sound.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 21 2011, 08:49 PM

To me..

It is.. considerin blck lvls, brightness/contrast n lcos tech [dila, if u r gonna be anal..] wif 'dust-no-issue' n no rbe's.. ya, I d say tis is my dream PJ [I m a poor man .. u see ]

Of cos its not for everybdy.. n proj issues r stil ther in bulb life/ambient lite..

D

Hope this kills the myth that Plasma is on the way out and all those 'obsolete' tech rubbish once and for all. As far as PQ is concern, Plasma is still top dog.

"Plasma televisions have seen a major decrease in pricing. The price difference and aggressive LCD TV marketing has given the illusion that plasma televisions are on their way out. But that's not true. Plasma televisions are known for their true-to- life picture quality and affordability over the alternatives."

http://www.ehow.com/about_5379396_plasma-vs-led-tvs.html

oh, but my budget is not rm8k... got anything around rm4k? 720p also I dun mind. But I don't want the color wheel because
I'm very sensitive to rainbow effect.

I'm all for PQ. I'm Plasma afficianados. So each time people ask me I'll said buy plasma. But 9 out of 10 people will said buy LCD/LED.
This is deep into the society already. I believe that its hard to shake this off. At least in Malaysia, I believe people just buy LCD because
of bad advice from people around them. If can, I wanna shoot everyone that say LCD is better.

Just seen high end model of plasma yesterday, I go check all model as I can seen without checking it is plasma or LCD/LED. I still can know it is plasma or LCD/LED. Not the reflection issue as few LED model also with reflection.

It was too easier to spot it is plasma even with correct distance stand. I know how smooth and how black are plasma. Sorry to said it is still not my liking.

Let wait and see which tech will be 1st out. No point argue here, anymore this is projector thread.

So do you get to see those lines you mentioned earlier? And which model did you check out?

And yes, I think you are right to say it's possible to tell which is which. For me, watching LED for any length of time literally brings tear to my eyes because they are far too bright/harsh for me.

To me, the LED pictures are very sharp and in fact, can be excessively sharp sometimes to the point of being artificial and watching Transformer2 is pretty obvious. For that, I think LED super sharp image would be more suitable to those playing video game or watching cartoons. But when it comes to watching human skin tones as in movies, I am not so sure super-sharp is a good thing.

This situation is similar to these other interest of mine:
1. Vinyl vs CD sound. CD sound can be super clean but ultimately, sounded clinical to me and devoid of much emotion. As for vinyl, despite it's crackle and pop 'dirty' sound due to scratches etc, sound more musical or analog to me. LED is like the digital CD. Plasma is like the analogy vinyl. And we can agree vinyl is really an obsolete tech.

2. Pocket digital camera without touch up. Nikon's tends to be super sharp due to more software sharpening but skin tones are less natural. Canon tends to be softer but color is more natural. In this case, LED are like Nikon whereas Plasma are like the Canon.

So at the end of the day, it's up to individual's preference. And all those ridiculous talk about Plasma being 'obsolete' tech shouldn't have anything to do with decision nor perpetrated as urban myth.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 22 2011, 09:52 AM

Haha. ..... agree.....

I not remember the model. It is Panasonic 40inch around RM3.7k
The line not that obvious in correct distance stand and ok.... from your Point...maybe it not sharp enough for me.

From all your sample given, I more digital maybe. I choose CD over vinyl. Pocket camera I do choose Canon but DSLR is Nikon for me.

I prefer LCD/LED as it is sharp enough and bright enough for me. I don't feel non comfortable but less bright do give me uncomfortable.

For me human skin need to be sharp to see the clarity. But cartoon (not 3D) need to less sharp as sharpness on cartoon sometimes given artifacts on it.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jan 22 2011, 10:08 AM

Andrew,

Enjoy what u like as its the most important criteria.

IMHO picture should mirror reality that's why purists will choose plasma over LCD or led anytime. When u are in the real world you don't see super sharp or super vivid images. So in a way LCD and led looks fake and cartoon like. I believe projector image also is more accurate compared to LCD/led.

HI,

try Belkin, its good quality, higher price but it works perfectly, protects yr eqpmt against power surges, lightning strikes,etc . it also ensures the exact voltage gets supplied. AND got insurance for your stuff too! AND got life-time warranty I use that for my PC get-up, 24-7 for 3 years now

on the other hand my cheap one (Nesly, those hypermarket brands) for the TV giving problems (power point not working after one month) so time to go to Belkin reseller soon.

This post has been edited by ericcc: Jan 22 2011, 10:56 AM

I want. I want. CRT is not obsolete when you want to watch Standard Definition program. They still have superior picture quality when viewing those compared to Plasma/LCD/LED

We are living in reality, they is no point seing reality. Some more most movie ain't real, how many movie capture in real color? Most is unrealistic color tone. If so love on reality then just open window see out, that is reality. Don't ever watch any movie as it is unreal.

I don't buy that. If what you said is correct then we will all be watching vivid colored cartoon instead of movies with real human actor with dull colored skin tones. Likewise, we should all be listening to synthesized music instead of piano etc. For us buying Plasma, while we know we can never get 100% natural color, we try to get a TV that comes closes to it.

Now I can truly understand why you don't like the more natural color of Plasma. You prefers vivid (I called it less natural) color of LCD/LED. Nothing wrong with that. Just personal preference.

Actually all new TV can fine tune as you like to more vivid or more natural. Normatter is plasma or LCD/LED.

I do love vivid and nature, I love in between.

Plasma the only win is it motion smoothness.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jan 22 2011, 01:19 PM

Bro,

Hv u tried d 3 color wheel dlps.. they r supposed to minimize rbe to a certain extent..

I dont tink u can get any projs b-lo 4k here in bolehland.. hd 20 oso abv tat.. I tink..
I d suggest to tompang a frnd/buddy/brother who is goin to US.. Over there, a basic epson 1080p [8100/8350] lcd pj is less than USD1k..

D

Sure you can fine tune all you want till the cows come home but at the end of the day, Plasma's picture is generally still more natural than LCD/LED. This is a pretty much accepted fact.

So there you have it. You are 70% into vivid color and I am 70% into natural color so we choose different TV.

p.s I bet you also play video game (requires vivid color) whereas I don't. Another reason why you picked LCD/LED and I didn't.

I don't buy this either. I can't imagine anyone tuning the colour till human skin turns orange so it becomes vivid. In most cases movie reproduction mimics reality and what is intended for us to view is as close as possible to it. Unless u like everyone looking like homer Simpson then I understand why. If most movie u watch is unrealistic colour tone then somethings wrong with your tv. Time to upgrade to plasma

This post has been edited by DannyOP: Jan 22 2011, 01:59 PM

For movies, my preference is Projector > Plasma > LCD.

Was it because of size or color?

Projector > Plasma because of size.

Plasma > LCD because of it's natural color.

Just a thought. If you love vivid color, why don't you buy Sony? IMHO, Sony's HDTV has one of the the sharpest and most vivid color amongst them all. Personally I can't stand Sony because their colors are so unnatural, most suited for cartoon and video games.

I'm going to Taiwan soon. Not sure if Taiwan cheaper.

bro, I realised if you get LED DLP, the lamp last 20,000 hours or more. I saw the Acer 10k is rm1700 but is wvga only.

Not sure if got DLP LED for 720p in Malaysia or not =.=||

Haha..

If u r goin to buy pjs based on d no of hrs, its bulb life is.. then happy huntin...

Better stay wif flat panels
D

Is bulb too expensive and price the same level as the projector a myth?

I remember last time dunno which model. Optoma 65 or what. Some one bundle with extra lamp. So I think
it could not be that expensive right?

And why still search for 720p? should go all the way 1080p.

just in case the price different is huge. Is it huge?

In 2008, 720p is around RM 3.5k-6k
Now after 3 years, 1080p is RM 5k-20k
720p is still > RM 3k

then 1080p is more worth it =.=||

the cheapest 1080p pj is abt RM4.5K only.

The replacement bulb for HD65 is abt RM680 including labour. I have been using my HD65 for 3 years now. Still the same bulb (touch wood)

In that case, that is not vivid, it is color distortion.
Vivid does not means it gonna became human color as orange, that is fault tune.

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Added on January 22, 2011, 11:20 pmMy room TV is Sony. My hall TV is Samsung. Hehe.... and I not play TV games, I more prefer on PC games.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jan 22 2011, 11:20 PM

I m using HD65 since early 2009.. I will wait till the bulb burst , after that will look for 1080p projectors.

Different people have different taste. Normal. You just confirming color naturalness is not your top priority because as I said, I find Sony's color the most unnatural (or vivid) of all HDTV. IMO, the best judge of naturalness is to look at human skin tone.



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 23 2011, 08:19 AM

Exactly... That is why purists will always go for plasma. To them LCD and led = colour distortion

Let your own eyes be the decider on what you like and favour. To each his own. The word "purists" is an infinity itself. No way to categorise it.

All 3 categories have their own respective pro's and con's. There has never been such a thing as a clear cut winner. Too many factors to take into consideration.

How many really have the chance to really indulge in all 3 categories?

As far as I have encountered all have pro's and con's. The ultimate display has yet to arrive (commercially) yet.

So let's not keep on arguing on this "no end matter".