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post Jan 19 2011, 05:39 PM, updated 15y ago

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guy's what do u think bout this??
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1- Setelah meneliti dokumen PTPTN dalam sistem Ujrah, saya mempunyai beberapa perspektif seperti yang akan dibentangkan.

2- Perubahan sistem 3% kepada 1% yang dinamakan sistem Ujrahsebenarnya mempunyai helah tertentu yang harus diketahuï sebelum diisi.

3- Baki yang dikira bukan baki semasa, tetapi adalah baki pada tahun tertentu, dalam kes ini Jun 2008.

4- Perjanjian yang adil sebenarnya hendaklah menggunakan jumlah asal pinjaman seperti yang terdapat dalam perjanjian asal.

5- Menggunakan baki pada tarikh yang berlainan sebenarnya menimbulkan keraguan, contohnya apabila peminjam telah meminjam pada tahun Jun 2000 hingga Mei 2003 (selama 3 tahun).

6- Dalam kes ini, peminjam telah dikenakan kos sebanyak 3% dari tahun 2003 hingga 2008.

7- Justeru, jika pinjaman asal bernilai RM 24000, dengan dicampur dengan kos di atas (3 % x 5 tahun) akan bernilai RM 24000 + RM 3600.

8- Dengan anggapan peminjam belum lagi membayar sebarang jumlah sehingga tarikh tersebut, jumlah yang dinilai dalam perjanjian ini sebenarnya bernilai RM 27600.

9- Melaluï sistem Ujrah, peminjam akan dikenakan 1% daripada jumlah (RM 27600) ini bernilai RM 276, selama 126 bulan iaitu 10.5 tahun.

10- Justeru, peminjam akan dikenakan tambahan sebanyak RM 276 x 10.5 iaitu RM 2898.

11- Maka jumlah sebenar yang dikehendaki dibayar oleh peminjam adalah RM 27600 + RM 2898 iaitu RM 30498.

12- Maka peminjam akan membayar RM 30498 setelah meminjam sebanyak RM 24000.

13- Ini melibatkan pertambahan jumlah sebanyak RM 6498 daripada jumlah asal pinjaman, atau 27.075% daripada jumlah asal.

14- Sebenarnya, setelah dikira, sistem ini adalah satu helah bagi PTPTN mendapatkan kembali bayaran balik dengan cara potongan gaji.

15- Setelah menandatangani perjanjian sistem Ujrah ini, peminjam akan membayar secara potongan gaji tanpa boleh mengelak daripada membayar pinjaman ini.

16- Ini bermakna, keuntungan adalah kepada PTPTN, yang mengambil 27.075% daripada pinjaman asal, DAN pembayaran on-time melaluï potongan gaji.

17- Saya melihat ini sebenarnya adalah helah untuk memaksa peminjam membayar melaluï potongan gaji, dan bukan sebagai satu “ihsan” untuk mengurangkan beban peminjam.

18- Saya melihat ini adalah helah bagi memastikan peminjam yang selama ini hanya membayar RM 50 sebulan, yang entah bila akan habis membayar pinjamannya, akan membayar RM 200+ sebulan mulaï tarikh sistem Ujrah diluluskan.

19- Lebih menguntungkan pihak PTPTN, ia akan berlaku secaraclean atas topeng Syari`ah.

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actually, no matter what they do, the thing is.....
dah pinjam reti2 la bayar balik...
a lot of people argue a bout this and that..
in fact they tak start bayar pun....
so what should gomen do...????
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yep... it seems that way. got my Ujrah offer letter and when i ran thru the T&C it's just not so viable so i just chuck it into the dustbin and continue with my existing arrangement.
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QUOTE(breaker84 @ Jan 19 2011, 05:47 PM)
actually, no matter what they do, the thing is.....
dah pinjam reti2 la bayar balik...
a lot of people argue a bout this and that..
in fact they tak start bayar pun....
so what should gomen do...????
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Dah lah tak bayar
Ranting high interest
now turun 3% ->1%
still ranting 1% tak halal

One question
Mau bayar ke atau tak mau bayar

Masa apply jerit-jerit tak terima $$$ ikut masa
Time suruh bayar....jerit-jerit lagi riba tak halal


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post Jan 19 2011, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Jan 19 2011, 05:52 PM)
Dah lah tak bayar
Ranting high interest
now turun 3% ->1%
still ranting 1% tak halal

One question
Mau bayar ke atau tak mau bayar

Masa apply jerit-jerit tak terima $$$ ikut masa
Time suruh bayar....jerit-jerit lagi riba tak halal
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i am one of peminjam...
but paham2 la, lu dah pinjam bayar jer la....

i follow this ptptn issues lately...
they even borrow from kwsp once (if not mistaken) just to lend those student...
at the end these student so hard to pay...
tak ke gampang tu...

remember suring my studies back then....
got one time, they rise up issues duit masuk lambat....
padahal lambat 2 minggu jer.....
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QUOTE(breaker84 @ Jan 19 2011, 05:56 PM)
i am one of peminjam...
but paham2 la, lu dah pinjam bayar jer la....

i follow this ptptn issues lately...
they even borrow from kwsp once (if not mistaken) just to lend those student...
at the end these student so hard to pay...
tak ke gampang tu...

remember suring my studies back then....
got one time, they rise up issues duit masuk lambat....
padahal lambat 2 minggu jer.....
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Bullshit. More reluctance excuses by defaulters not to pay. You pay what you owe.
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post Jan 19 2011, 06:01 PM

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if you can use the money to get a better job , paying the interest wont be a problem .

who gonna lend you 24k without interest ? doh.gif
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post Jan 19 2011, 06:03 PM

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wtf??

I got bayar on time and recently changed to the 1%

but if its this helah they definitely cheat me... vmad.gif

its definitely not fair to the ppl who pay.. idiot PTPTN>.. if this the way im not gonna bayar anymore
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post Jan 19 2011, 06:06 PM

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Nasib I don't accept new ujrah system. sorry ptptn. you won't get my money whistling.gif
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Based on apa yg ditulis dlm forum len.
tuk ujrah nih dia kira last baki loan + total 3% interest before ujrah.
so nih la yg jd isu nye. dlm ujrah nih dia kira skali ngan part 3% tuh.
cam someone verify this..
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Jan 19 2011, 06:00 PM)
Bullshit. More reluctance excuses by defaulters not to pay. You pay what you owe.
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you willing to pay extra, maybe around RM 4K after settling half of your loan? whistling.gif
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post Jan 19 2011, 06:09 PM

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post Jan 19 2011, 06:09 PM

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wafak.. ni yang liat nak bayar ni yang grad below 3.0.. thats why they end up getting shitting jobs with low pay... tu lah..time dapat duit joli nak mampus.. bila suruh bayar liat..
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post Jan 19 2011, 06:11 PM

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the problem is i got pay on time but why they 1 punish me by extra charge me?

those who never intend to pay at all din kena anything

not fair!! I request everyone to complain together
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here's no issue on this what so ever the person who posted this doesn't know how to count ...

the difference of interest is in between baki berkurangnan 3% and Interest Flat lumpsum 1%

if you can pay more baki berkurangnan is better if you can't flat base interest is better to manage (you know how much you are paying each month)

To make things simple is a difference of a house loan(baki berkurangan) vs a car loan (Flat)

btw I am from Engineering background


Added on January 19, 2011, 6:13 pmFor those who are currently paying and is comfortable with 3% with "baki berkurang" interest rate jsut continue with it need not to apply for this


F*** those who never pay and complain !

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lol at non-cerdik ppl who cannot get scholarship/sponsorship. now they're haunted with loans and whining.
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post Jan 19 2011, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(titarium @ Jan 19 2011, 06:12 PM)

btw I am from Engineering background


Added on January 19, 2011, 6:13 pmFor those who are currently paying and is comfortable with 3% with "baki berkurang" interest rate jsut continue with it need not to apply for this
F*** those who never pay and complain !
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One thing the author never face before in his/her life is BLR !!!

it is 6.5 rite now !
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QUOTE(titarium @ Jan 19 2011, 06:12 PM)
here's no issue on this what so ever the person who posted this doesn't know how to count ...

the difference of interest is in between baki berkurangnan 3% and Interest Flat lumpsum 1%

if you can pay more baki berkurangnan is better if you can't flat base interest is better to manage (you know how much you are paying each month)

To make things simple is a difference of a house loan(baki berkurangan) vs a car loan (Flat)

btw I am from Engineering background


Added on January 19, 2011, 6:13 pmFor those who are currently paying and is comfortable with 3% with "baki berkurang" interest rate jsut continue with it need not to apply for this
F*** those who never pay and complain !
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dun really understand but i already sign the letter and submit, So they got cheat me or not? Do i pay more or pay less?
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:16 PM)
dun really understand but i already sign the letter and submit, So they got cheat me or not? Do i pay more or pay less?
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possibly more
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Jan 19 2011, 06:16 PM)
possibly more
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shit.. so how do i cancel the agreement? From now on i wont pay even a single sen..

Serve them right for trying to cheat an honest guy. I hate ppl cheat me.
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QUOTE(matjenin86 @ Jan 19 2011, 06:15 PM)
no wander you have no manner
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Manners for me is define to whom I dealt with, I criticizes and mock those who are the junk to the community and the development to the country.

we just need 20% of these faggots to default the pay and cause the next generation (Juniors) to have limited source of finance.
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:19 PM)
shit.. so how do i cancel the agreement? From now on i wont pay even a single sen..

Serve them right for trying to cheat an honest guy. I hate ppl cheat me.
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try to call them and ask if you able to cancel the new agreement and return back to old one
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:16 PM)
dun really understand but i already sign the letter and submit, So they got cheat me or not? Do i pay more or pay less?
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If you can manage a good finance and come out a big sum of money each year 3% is a good way -> if you have money to pay 1 lump sum or finish within 10 years ? (I haven't calculate the exact interest to be paid)

but with 1% is a flat base , just like taking a car loan (it is 3% rite now)

to make things simple you can use a car loan calculator (interest 1%) and a house loan calculator (BLR/Interest 3%) to make comparison the variables in this case is the years for house loan
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Jan 19 2011, 06:22 PM)
try to call them and ask if you able to cancel the new agreement and return back to old one
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already call they say dalam proses cannto do anything. sad.gif

FYI i only earn 1500 per month and they still 1 cheat me.. few hundred is a lot to me. I earn so little oso pay back will they like dat

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QUOTE(titarium @ Jan 19 2011, 06:23 PM)
If you can manage a good finance and come out a big sum of money each year 3% is a good way -> if you have money to pay 1 lump sum or finish within 10 years ? (I haven't calculate the exact interest to be paid)

but with 1% is a flat base , just like taking a car loan (it is 3% rite now)

to make things simple you can use a car loan calculator (interest 1%) and a house loan calculator (BLR/Interest 3%) to make comparison the variables in this case is the years for house loan
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dun really understand oso. I totally suck at maths. Thats y i earn so low cuz not maths genius.

So change to 1% I will pay more than 3% because they calculate base on the earlier 3% ineterst add in.
But if din change to 1% then remain 3% wont i get charge 3% base on the 3% interest earlier?

WHy the author say ptptn helah need pay more if change to 1%?

I confuse and very angry now
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:19 PM)
shit.. so how do i cancel the agreement? From now on i wont pay even a single sen..

Serve them right for trying to cheat an honest guy. I hate ppl cheat me.
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bayar la balik duit ptptn tu.ko dah makan kan???ko pinjam dah makan x bayar jadik haram.xnak bayar semua ko bayar la nilai yg ko betol2 pinjam.xyah bayar yg ko rase kene tipu.tp aku rase ko x kene tipu pon.jangan la wat alasan dah pinjam x nak bayar.kat luar negara mane la ade PTPTN ni.ko nak sambung seme kene pakai duet sendiri.as example kat US dia org seme nak smbg U kene pakai duet sendiri.xpong berebot scholarship.ramai gak yg bankrupt lepas habes belajar sbb wat pinjaman bank.PTPTN nih interest 3% pong nak bising2.pas tu cakap haram ade riba.kalo dah tau camtu awal2 jgn pinjam.fed up r aku dgr org amek pinjaman ptptn tp xnak bayar.
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:29 PM)
dun really understand oso. I totally suck at maths. Thats y i earn so low cuz not maths genius.

So change to 1% I will pay more than 3% because they calculate base on the earlier 3% ineterst add in.
But if din change to 1% then remain 3% wont i get charge 3% base on the 3% interest earlier?

WHy the author say ptptn helah need pay more if change to 1%?

I confuse and very angry now
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oi, you borrow you pay back arr

that person must be one of the "defaulter" try get away
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I wonder why they don't kira baki starting on the day we apply and instead went back to previous years? I have RM 9K left to pay as on Dec 2010

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3% is good if you plan to pay in fast and lump sum .


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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:29 PM)
dun really understand oso. I totally suck at maths. Thats y i earn so low cuz not maths genius.

So change to 1% I will pay more than 3% because they calculate base on the earlier 3% ineterst add in. - No is base on the cut-off date given

But if din change to 1% then remain 3% wont i get charge 3% base on the 3% interest earlier?

WHy the author say ptptn helah need pay more if change to 1%? - because this fellow dunno how to count properly

I confuse and very angry now
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actually can't blame because finance student are more capable in coming out the sums

actually 3% & 1% depending how well you want to manage you loan in your life let me do some simple calculation (finance student & account student correct me if I am wrong)

assume = 50k (since cut-off date)
year of loan = 20

at 1% flat

50,000 * 1% * 20 years = 10,000 -> interest amount

Monthly payment = (50,000 + 10,000)/20/12 = 250

at 3% baki berkurang - 20 years [I am lazy so I use a home loan calculator Home Loan Calculator ]

Monthly = 277
Interest Amount = (277*12*20)-50,000 = 16,480

at 3% baki berkurang - 15 years

Monthly = 345
Interest Amount = (345*12*15)-50,000 = 12,100

at 3% baki berkurang - 10 years

Monthly = 483
Interest Amount = (483*12*10)-50,000 = 7,960


if you can pay back within half the given time the 3% interest is a better choice , else take 1% .
I will take the 1% cause house loan and car loan is so much higher out here take the 1% place more deposit on car and house.

I hope this simple example able enlight you

* this calculation excludes the additional service charges and xx charges -> which is minimal compare to the interest or if there's any

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^ agree bro .

if want pay slow slow , better off with 1% , everyone know this i guess.

but who like to in debt right ? laugh.gif

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advantage of the 3% deal is that you have more freedom in choosing your finance planning , with condition strong financial back ground with room to play with
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Jan 19 2011, 06:46 PM)
^ agree bro  .

if want pay slow slow , better off with 1% , everyone know this i guess.

but who like to in debt right ? laugh.gif
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I understand the drawback of the 1% is the potongan gaji means u get tied monthly.

But let say la if 1% not tied potongan gaji means u can choose to paywheneven u like is it still helah ptptn to cheat your money? like u pay more compare to previous 3% system according to author?

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:52 PM)
I understand the drawback of the 1% is the potongan gaji means u get tied monthly.

But let say la if 1% not tied potongan gaji means u can choose to paywheneven u like is it still helah ptptn to cheat your money? like u pay more compare to previous 3% system according to author?
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you pay to them =helah ptptn cheat your money ? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:52 PM)
I understand the drawback of the 1% is the potongan gaji means u get tied monthly.

But let say la if 1% not tied potongan gaji means u can choose to paywheneven u like is it still helah ptptn to cheat your money? like u pay more compare to previous 3% system according to author?
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at 1% you must pay the monthly amount

at 3% you must pay the minimum yearly/monthly amount or more if you want to clear off early , if pay late more interest upon your balance amount

no Helah here is just mere financial management

let me repeat myself the interest paid to PTPTN is cheaper than any bank can offer (Credit transfer, personal loan, house loan, mortgage , car loan etc)

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Mara loan ftw. my loan rm39,000.

but i just pay 10% from total without interest. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(lagenda @ Jan 19 2011, 07:06 PM)
Mara loan ftw. my loan rm39,000.

but i just pay 10% from total without interest.  rclxm9.gif
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partially sponsored is it

those telekom scholar who can score 2nd class above interest free , while some PTPTN scholar are eligible to apply for scholarship
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QUOTE(soulknight @ Jan 19 2011, 05:39 PM)
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THIS IS THE CASE ORANG TAK BAYAR NAK BISING
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under 3%, you will be given a table of payment, stating amount and duration of payment, it's incremental until the end..

under 1%, fixed payment every month, ease of financial planning & even potong automatic from your salary ... of course it will be listed in your salary slip but hey, it is for a good cause lor, study punya hal, apa mau malu?

pinjam along lagi malu whaat...
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I didnt mean pay them back is cheat. But using the tactic say change to 1% but end up paying more compare to earlier 3% is cheat me like author said.


Ok i ask 1 thing. Lets say la.. just situation only..

If change 1% no need potongan gaji to pay monthly but can pay whenever i like. If I got enuff money to pay all my loan 1 shot. Then I change to 1% but keep the money in bank fd 3% then use the yearly fd interest to pay the ptptn I untung?
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under 3%, you will be given a table of payment, stating amount and duration of payment, it's incremental until the end..

under 1%, fixed payment every month, ease of financial planning & even potong automatic from your salary ... of course it will be listed in your salary slip but hey, it is for a good cause lor, study punya hal, apa mau malu?

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 07:11 PM)
I didnt mean pay them back is cheat. But using the tactic say change to 1% but end up paying more compare to earlier 3% is cheat me like author said.
Ok i ask 1 thing. Lets say la.. just situation only..

If change 1% no need potongan gaji to pay monthly but can pay whenever i like. If I got enuff money to pay all my loan 1 shot. Then I change to 1% but keep the money in bank fd 3% then use the yearly fd interest to pay the ptptn I untung?
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this is known as default , you are trying to cheat by delaying your payment even you have the money - period

Everyone wants to have money with them but you have sign a contract of borrow so pay up

You still have a choice not to opt for that 1% , and I see no harm at all for the 1%
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Kesian kena berhutang untuk dapatkan ilmu. Sangat pity sama kamu.
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i pity to my friend.

he pay every month rm250. but his loan will add rm40 every month too.

so like he only pay rm210 monthly. wtf.

if he pay rm50 only like he only pay rm10 every month. sigh
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Kesian kena berhutang untuk dapatkan ilmu. Sangat pity sama kamu.
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yang hutang dapatkan kereta , rumah dan yang guna credit card ? macam mana pulak ?
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Kesian kena berhutang untuk dapatkan ilmu. Sangat pity sama kamu.
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that promo look very suspicious when i read it counted the 1% from 2008 ~~~ so i stop applying for it already

kanasai...government try to cheat money???
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kenot brain dis math thing oh..
guy,can calculate mine ka..?
i borrow 15k..
then much all include the tax..?
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yeah the 1% from 2008

there is one case my friend paid a lump sum with RM20k (of RM50k) in 2009 January...

but so sorry for him......his balance was 69k in June 2008....

so shall he choose the 1%? I guess no...
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mana hidan?
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Talking about this PTPTN thing, since push has comes to shove, guess any defaulters have to pandai pandai cari jalan lah. But what I can feel is that if the economic situation in this country is better, this problem would not be so prevalent.

For me guess I am staying back with the 3%. I prefer to have destiny over my payments.
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hey i havent started to pay any...so am i affected ???
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hey i havent started to pay any...so am i affected ???
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for kind of u, PTPTN charge 10% + '3% normal service charge' for each of month


abis la u
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I support paying back PTPTN.

But I don't support adding interest/faedah/kos perkhidmtana/ujrah/whatever bullshit term they use to justify the additional 'profit'.

Educational loans should be interest free, like how JPA/Mara used to give out. Education should be non-profit.

It's simple. Pay back what you took. Not pay back + 1% per year 'kos perkhidmatan'.

WE NEED REVOLUTION! LIKE IN TUNISIA!


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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jan 19 2011, 08:52 PM)
I support paying back PTPTN.

But I don't support adding interest/faedah/kos perkhidmtana/ujrah/whatever bullshit term they use to justify the additional 'profit'.

Educational loans should be interest free, like how JPA/Mara used to give out. Education should be non-profit.

It's simple. Pay back what you took. Not pay back + 1% per year 'kos perkhidmatan'.

WE NEED REVOLUTION! LIKE IN TUNISIA!
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Who want to start by burning themselves first? hmm.gif
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u jus know.. it also deem u to notify them 3 month in advance b4 u leave the country.. then ur parent will need to bear any cost if u cabut.. ur father and mother harta pusaka will be known and they can take wat them deem right.. tis conversion is good for those who have no habit of self payment on schedule.. it is not suitable and fraud to those who have pay and will pay either by monthly basic or yearly basic..
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For future PTPTN borrowers, please try not to borrow above RM50k for your entire course. The repayment can be quite hefty.
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my gf 1 year+ didnt pay back anything..no action pun i see taken on her?
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QUOTE(Hidan @ Jan 19 2011, 07:41 PM)
Why harlow there!  wave.gif

Talking about this PTPTN thing, since push has comes to shove, guess any defaulters have to pandai pandai cari jalan lah. But what I can feel is that if the economic situation in this country is better, this problem would not be so prevalent.

For me guess I am staying back with the 3%. I prefer to have destiny over my payments.
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If the economic situation is better, less people will pinjam already la.


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thnk God... i failed to get the Ujrah system after filled-up the form.
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my gf 1 year+ didnt pay back anything..no action pun i see taken on her?
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try go out of country c.. i really wanna c u gal fail at boarding.. hahahah.. i got a friend jus like ur gal.. go on a trip with me.. then during boarding .. check passport.. cannot fly.. rm4k fly.. at 1st i was shock then the officer explain say she need to settle the outstanding payment of 27k b4 able to go.. on the spot.. lol... vacation cancel straight.. akkakaka... now prisoner at malaysia..
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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ Jan 19 2011, 09:26 PM)
try go out of country c.. i really wanna c u gal fail at boarding.. hahahah.. i got a friend jus like ur gal.. go on a trip with me.. then during boarding .. check passport.. cannot fly.. rm4k fly.. at 1st i was shock then the officer explain say she need to settle the outstanding payment of 27k b4 able to go.. on the spot.. lol... vacation cancel straight.. akkakaka... now prisoner at malaysia..
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my gf 1 year+ didnt pay back anything..no action pun i see taken on her?
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Oh 1 year plus, a relatively fresh defaulter. But has she tried to go overseas? The first action is normally baring the defaulter overseas. If the hutang becomes too extreme, then PTPTN lawyers will really ask ur gf to go to mahkamah.
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then,if 15k ok lar..?? hmm.gif
still confuse wor
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QUOTE(Fall guy @ Jan 19 2011, 09:28 PM)
Oh 1 year plus, a relatively fresh defaulter. But has she tried to go overseas? The first action is normally baring the defaulter overseas. If the hutang becomes too extreme, then PTPTN lawyers will really ask ur gf to go to mahkamah.
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Oic..not yet. she's working with gomen..
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pinjam duit kat ahlong
settlekan ptptn lumpsum
ptptn cannot "tipu" your money
problem, ptptn penipu gampang?
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i borrowed 10k but when letter come. it say 5k only.. the amount of 1st year to pay is rm600. i need to start pay it before it ban me from going.. laugh.gif oversea..
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so let say i took degree in 2008, i take the 1% flat rate. my diploma loan pre-2008 still 3%?
they said i can combine both loans but can't combine interest rate? hmm.gif

cry.gif pls let me have a job quickly~
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if without ptptn oso,not all of malaysian student can futher studies..still stuck wit spm result..
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thnk God... i failed to get the Ujrah system after filled-up the form.
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do they give you any reason for that?
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Keeping things simple here:

sudah pinjam, kasi bayar..FULLSTOP.

Again, keeping things simple:

If u pay within the specified period, 1% flat rate is definitely cheaper than 3% reducing balance, which if you didnt notice, is a monthly reducing balance..not yearly!

Like someone mentioned in this thread before, if u can pay up within half of the specified period, recommend u to stick with 3%.

From the way I see it, they allow me pay less with 1% at the expense of:
1. Deducting salary
2. Access to your and guarantor's EPF info

Both items above should not be a problem if you pay every month accordingly.

In case shit happens e.g. retrenched, you can inform them as they have a clause for that as well. It's not all bad actually tongue.gif
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guy's what do u think bout this??

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Think what? What you think about refinancing (reschedule plan)? Same is't, base on outstanding loan maa. Never paid even 1 cent back, now complain.. complain.. complain.. When took the loan, everything can, that can, this can.. Macam ini olang pun ada...
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QUOTE(Oldskolboyz @ Jan 21 2011, 11:24 AM)
Think what? What you think about refinancing (reschedule plan)? Same is't, base on outstanding loan maa. Never paid even 1 cent back, now complain.. complain.. complain.. When took the loan, everything can, that can, this can.. Macam ini olang pun ada...
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his last statement says it all LOL:

"18- Saya melihat ini adalah helah bagi memastikan peminjam yang selama ini hanya membayar RM 50 sebulan, yang entah bila akan habis membayar pinjamannya, akan membayar RM 200+ sebulan mulaï tarikh sistem Ujrah diluluskan."

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so let say i took degree in 2008, i take the 1% flat rate. my diploma loan pre-2008 still 3%?
they said i can combine both loans but can't combine interest rate? hmm.gif

cry.gif pls let me have a job quickly~
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Just got approved a week or two ago, but haven't actually print and sign the contract.

I've already started paying before this and the thing I don't really is now they are calculating like 2 years back which at that time I am already charged the 3% interest. Does it mean I am charged an additional 1% for those months ?

Anyways in the end I think I will try to settle lump sum or as fast as possible. Probably the best option at the moment at least for me. Previously when 3% feel like paying the interest only lol
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Jan 19 2011, 06:19 PM)
shit.. so how do i cancel the agreement? From now on i wont pay even a single sen..

Serve them right for trying to cheat an honest guy. I hate ppl cheat me.
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if u guys get married, make sure ur partner dont have so many hutang/loans...
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im still pending receive letter from ptptn...is it we can choose how many years we gonna pay d loan or ptptn jas already fix it..

i found this ptptn forum, very helpfull..
http://app.mohe.gov.my/forum/viewforum.php...36c037ccb70e79e
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kalo nak joli pun, study hard la. dpt 4 flat, tak payah bayar balik. kan senang mcm tu
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Not really true~! I'm also a 1st class graduate but i still have to pay.. coz i signed the agreement after July 2005 and graduated in 2009!!! sad.gif
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JPA doesnt approve my course, which is in IPTA (UM)! stupid kn.. so i hv to resort to the loan.

uni-malaya=stupid
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ptptn=abominable loanshark
me=poor bast*rd

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remember suring my studies back then....
got one time, they rise up issues duit masuk lambat....
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PTPTN..Boleh tunggu gaji RM5k tak?? Nanti kami bayar balik k. kami ni keje private.Bkn Gomen. Nak beli rumah pun tak mampu lg.Lainlah gomen..ada gomen loan.Ada duit kola.Bersalin pun free. Sakit pun free.
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QUOTE(Hidan @ Jan 19 2011, 08:41 PM)
Why harlow there!  wave.gif

Talking about this PTPTN thing, since push has comes to shove, guess any defaulters have to pandai pandai cari jalan lah. But what I can feel is that if the economic situation in this country is better, this problem would not be so prevalent.

For me guess I am staying back with the 3%. I prefer to have destiny over my payments.
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Economy better or not, some shallow minded people still prefers to get a car or gadget than finding ways to reduce debt. Stop giving excuses this and that, you are a shame to those hard workers and prompt payers during the current financial situation.

Other people got car, you also want car... you dont give a damn on economy situation

other people digilently plan their finances, you give lame excuse "poor" economy situation caused you unable to do the same.

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HAR! ko tengok mamat ni. Kesian, kena buang kerja pasal benda ni.

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So what if the 1% starts from June 2008, you prefer 3% for the entire period, or 3% till June 2008, and 1% afterwards?
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the 1% thing doesn't make much difference one la.
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jan 19 2011, 08:52 PM)
I support paying back PTPTN.

But I don't support adding interest/faedah/kos perkhidmtana/ujrah/whatever bullshit term they use to justify the additional 'profit'.

Educational loans should be interest free, like how JPA/Mara used to give out. Education should be non-profit.

It's simple. Pay back what you took. Not pay back + 1% per year 'kos perkhidmatan'.

WE NEED REVOLUTION! LIKE IN TUNISIA!
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kalau nak free, kenapa apply jugak?

loan untuk belajar, bayar makan minum, buku......bukan untuk beli hp canggih.
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Not really true~! I'm also a 1st class graduate but i still have to pay.. coz i signed the agreement after July 2005 and graduated in 2009!!! sad.gif
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HAR! ko tengok mamat ni. Kesian, kena buang kerja pasal benda ni.

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apa nak kasihan? pandai pinjam, pandai la bayar...

aku pun dah habis bayar dah....aku selalu bayar lebih dari jumlah ditetapkan....nak clear cepat2....x merungut pun.....

tu la, pandai buat loan, tak pandai nak bayar....

orang bagi duit suruh pergi belajar, bukan suruh beli laptop mahal, blackberry, iphone....bla...bla...bla...

bila belajar ala kadar, cgpa x bagus, dapat kerja gaji rendah, start la merungut x dapat bayar....

waktu kita sign agreement, kita sign hutang....yang wajib di bayar.....islam suruh kita bayar hutang....WAJIB!!!

lain kali fresh grad, waktu start kerja, jgn fikir nak beli kete dulu, fikir mcm mana nak bayar loan....belajar naik public transport....
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orang dah bagi pinjam pun banyak bunyik

mansuh je la ptptn ni

biar sorang pun tak dapat

tak payah masuk universiti

keja kilang kan berlambak

kan kan
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kalau nak free, kenapa apply jugak?

loan untuk belajar, bayar makan minum, buku......bukan untuk beli hp canggih.
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Malaysians clearly have a problem with comprehension.

No wonder they are lagging behind in their studies.

Whoever said totally free? I said (wrote) educational loans should be interest free, not totally free.

Most of the people who cannot pay back their PTPTN is because of their relatively low starting pay. Also, how do you know the students didn't use their PTPTN wisely? Anecdotal evidence cannot be fully trusted (meaning just because you see 1 or 2 students buy iPhone using PTPTN doesn't mean every student taking PTPTN are buying iPhones).

You pay back what you took. If a degree program costs Rm40k, then pay back Rm40k, spread over 7-10 years depending on the person's financial capability.

This is what JPA and MARA used t do, but since PTPTN has taken over their role, why can't PTPTN operate the same way?

As for the gaji staf PTPTN, it is clearly being paid from govt. funds and NOT from the repayment of the student loans. How else could you explain the number of their staff when compared to the income from loan repayment? not to mention the allowances of theboard of directors, several of whom are BN-nominated appointees....
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Malaysians clearly have a problem with comprehension.

No wonder they are lagging behind in their studies.

Whoever said totally free? I said (wrote) educational loans should be interest free, not totally free.

Most of the people who cannot pay back their PTPTN is because of their relatively low starting pay. Also, how do you know the students didn't use their PTPTN wisely? Anecdotal evidence cannot be fully trusted (meaning just because you see 1 or 2 students buy iPhone using PTPTN doesn't mean every student taking PTPTN are buying iPhones).

You pay back what you took. If a degree program costs Rm40k, then pay back Rm40k, spread over 7-10 years depending on the person's financial capability.

This is what JPA and MARA used t do, but since PTPTN has taken over their role, why can't PTPTN operate the same way?

As for the gaji staf PTPTN, it is clearly being paid from govt. funds and NOT from the repayment of the student loans. How else could you explain the number of their staff when compared to the income from loan repayment? not to mention the allowances of theboard of directors, several of whom are BN-nominated appointees....
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PTPTN untuk pelajar dengan kelulusan sederhana.....MARA & JPA untuk student cemerlang.....kalau belajar malas & x pandai, jangan nak expect semua senang.
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bayar je la faggot. dah bodoh, buat cara bodoh.

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PTPTN untuk pelajar dengan kelulusan sederhana.....MARA & JPA untuk student cemerlang.....kalau belajar malas & x pandai, jangan nak expect semua senang.
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seronok lepak kat area Sek.7, Shah Alam.....seronok tengok budak lepak isap shisha dan main FB dgn blackberry & iphone dorang.....kalau pergi plaza alam sentral waktu duit loan masuk, kedai phone akan penuh dengan student yang nak beli phone baru......kalau laptop, leh tolerate lagi sbb untuk tujuan belajar (dan main FB)....

jangan salahkan kerajaan dan director2 PTPTN aper jadah. Yang salah adalah diri kita sendiri sbb x leh sabar untuk berjaya dan nak enjoy dulu.....kalau grad second class upper, gaji pun akan dapat best....cukup untuk hidup dan bayar loan.....


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QUOTE(pakdamek @ Feb 24 2011, 11:06 AM)
PTPTN untuk pelajar dengan kelulusan sederhana.....MARA & JPA untuk student cemerlang.....kalau belajar malas & x pandai, jangan nak expect semua senang.
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SInce you still do not understand English, I will write in Melayu.

Dulu ada pinjaman JPA dan pnjaman MARA la. (Aku adalah peminjam JPA).

Pinjaman JPA dan MARA adalah interest free. Maknanya pinjam RM25,000 untuk buat 1st degree, bayar balik RM25,000 (ini zaman 90an - awal 2000).

Takde kos perkhidmatan. Takde ujrah. Takde faedah. dan lain-lain.

Kalau cemerlang, pun sama macam PTPTN sekarang, sama ada dapat diskaun atau convert jadi biasiswa.

kenapa bila dwujudkan PTPTN (di mana bukannya swasta pun, tapi badan berkanun yang masih menggunakan peruntukan kerajaan) untuk mengambil alih urusan pinjaman pelajaran ke IPT, kenapa wujudkan caj perkidmatan?

Dulu-dulu masa MARA dan JPA pun diorang ada kaunter bayaran (JPA punya kat Putrajaya Aras 4 dengan Maju Junction, aku pernah pergi dua-dua).

Apa dulu staf JPA dan MARA yang duduk kaunter kutip hutang tu pun kerja free ke? Tak kan?

Tapi ada kata tak cukup dana ke apa kejadahnya? Ada cerita hutang tertunggak berbilion ringgit? Tak kan?

Pastu kalau lambat bayar pun, takde denda lewat atau interest naik (macam bank). Cuma tempoh bayaran balik jadi panjang la kalau tak cover alik yang miss payment tu.

AKu pun nak jujur kat sini yang aku pun miss payment 2-3 kli, tapi JPA kata aku ok pasal aku masih dikira konsisten).

Kalau memang tak nak bayar, memang la dapat surat dari Peguam Negara dan nama kena blacklist jugak. Ini tak boleh maaf la, pinjaman iterest free pun tak nak bayar.

Member aku adala dua tiga kerat kena, padahal bukannya tak kerja pun, jadi cikgu kat sekolah lagi. Last-las bila mohon nak buat master dalam education, JPA kantolkan dulu tak bayar loan, tau pulak malu.....

kebanyakan orang meman nak bayar balik PTPTN, cuma diorang tak nak bayar lebih hanya untuk interest sahaja.....
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guy's what do u think bout this??

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Peminjam Perbadanan Tabung Pendidikan Nasional (PTPTN) dan Majlis Amanah Rakyat (MARA) yang mengalami masalah pembayaran balik pinjaman mereka diminta menghadiri satu pertemuan pada 26 Februari ini.

Menurut Harakahdaily, pertemuan anjuran dewan pemuda PAS itu dijadualkan pada Sabtu ini, jam 2 petang di dewan Semantan Perdana, Hotel Sri Malaysia, Temerloh, Pahang bagi mereka meluahkan masalah masing-masing.

Ketua penerangan pemuda PAS, Suhaizan Kaiat, berkata parti itu mengambil inisiatif berkenaan kerana prihatin dengan nasib mereka yang tidak mampu membayar balik pinjaman kerana faktor kekangan ekonomi negara.

"Mereka dalam keadaan tertekan kerana mereka tidak mampu membuat bayaran.

"Faktor utama adalah kerana tidak mempunyai pekerjaan yang tetap dan kos hidup yang meningkat setiap tahun khususnya di bandar," katanya.

Menurutnya sehingga kini terdapat 1.7 juta peminjam PTPTN yang mengalami masalah membayar balik hutang mereka. Daripada jumlah itu, 191,262 orang yang langsung tidak mampu membuat bayaran balik.

PTPTN telah membelanjakan sebanyak RM 37 bilion sejak 13 tahun yang lalu.

Agensi itu juga telah mengenakan caj perkhidmatan sebanyak 4 peratus kepada peminjam sebelum ini dan ia didakwa membebankan.

Masalah yang dihadapi peminjam ketika ini, kata Suhaizan berkaitan jumlah pinjaman mereka yang meningkat setiap tahun jika tidak membuat pembayaran.

Mereka juga tidak dibenarkan pergi ke luar negara jika tidak menjelaskan pembayaran yang ditetapkan oleh PTPTN.

Sebahagian mereka menghadapi kesukaran untuk mendapat pinjaman lain khususnya pinjaman perniagaan.

Selain PTPTN, masalah sama turut menimpa peminjam MARA yang ada d iantara mereka terpaksa membayar balik jumlah pinjaman terlalu besar sehingga RM80 ribu.

"Pihak PTPTN pula sedang berusaha membuat pindaan terhadap akta PTPTN yang berkemungkinan pada sidang parlimen akan datang bagi mengetatkan lagi kawalan pembayaran balik pinjaman. Tindakan ini sudah semestinya akan memberikan lebih tekanan kepada mereka.

"Dalam usia mereka yang masih muda mereka telah dibebankan dengan hutang yang banyak. Hidup mereka menjadi tidak tenteram dengan hutang tersebut," katanya.

Menurut Suhaizan, pertemuan Sabtu ini akan juga dihadiri ahli-ahli parlimen Pakatan Rakyat yang akan sama-sama mendengar rintihan mereka.

Semua pandangan mereka akan dirumuskan dalam persidangan meja bulat dan akan diserahkan kepada pihak kerajaan dalam sidang parlimen akan datang.
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QUOTE(pakdamek @ Feb 24 2011, 11:16 AM)
seronok lepak kat area Sek.7, Shah Alam.....seronok tengok budak lepak isap shisha dan main FB dgn blackberry & iphone dorang.....kalau pergi plaza alam sentral waktu duit loan masuk, kedai phone akan penuh dengan student yang nak beli phone baru......kalau laptop, leh tolerate lagi sbb untuk tujuan belajar (dan main FB)....

jangan salahkan kerajaan dan director2 PTPTN aper jadah. Yang salah adalah diri  kita sendiri sbb x leh sabar untuk berjaya dan nak enjoy dulu.....kalau grad second class upper, gaji pun akan dapat best....cukup untuk hidup dan bayar loan.....
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Itu memang salah sendiri (boros berbelanja duit PTPTN), tapi kerajaan pada aku telah bersikap kurang adil dengan memansuhkan pinjaman plajaran tanpa interest.

AKu rasa ini yang patut PAS perjuangkan, iaitu kembalikan pinjaman pelajaran tanpa sebarang kos tambahan.

Kalau UMNO/BN pandai, diorang push benda ni.
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nah pergi, jangan tak pergi. pergi komplain kaw-kaw
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Agensi itu juga telah mengenakan caj perkhidmatan sebanyak 4 peratus kepada peminjam sebelum ini dan ia didakwa membebankan.

Masalah yang dihadapi peminjam ketika ini, kata Suhaizan berkaitan jumlah pinjaman mereka yang meningkat setiap tahun jika tidak membuat pembayaran.

Mereka juga tidak dibenarkan pergi ke luar negara jika tidak menjelaskan pembayaran yang ditetapkan oleh PTPTN.

Sebahagian mereka menghadapi kesukaran untuk mendapat pinjaman lain khususnya pinjaman perniagaan.

Selain PTPTN, masalah sama turut menimpa peminjam MARA yang ada d iantara mereka terpaksa membayar balik jumlah pinjaman terlalu besar sehingga RM80 ribu.

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Yes, inilah dia punca masalah.

Hutang meningkat jika lewat atau tidak bayar.

Eliminate the interest factor, and I bet you these ex-students wil try as hard as they can to pay their loans back.
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kebanyakan orang meman nak bayar balik PTPTN, cuma diorang tak nak bayar lebih hanya untuk interest sahaja.....
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alasan like shit. principal pun tak abis bayar, nak cite pasal interest.

if they're real, pay the goddamn principal and ignore the interest. such simple calculation pun nak kena ajar ke.
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 24 2011, 11:25 AM)
Itu memang salah sendiri (boros berbelanja duit PTPTN), tapi kerajaan pada aku telah bersikap kurang adil dengan memansuhkan pinjaman plajaran tanpa interest.

AKu rasa ini yang patut PAS perjuangkan, iaitu kembalikan pinjaman pelajaran tanpa sebarang kos tambahan.

Kalau UMNO/BN pandai, diorang push benda ni.
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klu xde interest camne die nak baya gaji org2 die? baya fees lawyer yg die appoint nak wat kontrak sme?
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klu xde interest camne die nak baya gaji org2 die? baya fees lawyer yg die appoint nak wat kontrak sme?
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our income tax = pay the government servant including ptptn

kalau bank, lain ceritalah.
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Feb 24 2011, 11:29 AM)
alasan like shit. principal pun tak abis bayar, nak cite pasal interest.

if they're real, pay the goddamn principal and ignore the interest. such simple calculation pun nak kena ajar ke.
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That is the problem, dear ex-JPA scholar.

Even if they pay off the principal, PTPTN will still add in the interest. It's pre-calculated no matter what.

UNless you pay off the entire amount in one go, you can never finish off the loan.

if they hav the money to pay off the entire loan amount in one go, why would they even take PTPTN anyway?

Have you not heard of various cases where they have paid more than what is required, and yet their outstanding balance are still not zero?

You are an ex-scholarship holder, how do you know the pain these PTPTN loan takers feel when they see their statement?


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QUOTE(ToddStarz @ Feb 24 2011, 11:29 AM)
klu xde interest camne die nak baya gaji org2 die? baya fees lawyer yg die appoint nak wat kontrak sme?
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if there is a very good and clean system, many form 5 leavers will apply. Even the interest at it minimum , with the amount of student that apply , in long run , PTPTN will still have profit.

Problems is because the interest is way high where many students will go for other alternatives. If you look at it properlly, everyone want to study. Many people who couldn;t do well in SPM surprisingly can do well in college. Some is book smart and some is street smart. Book smart usually is those who study according to the books and when come to working life, don't know how to adapt to the situation in real working environment. While street smart need a little bit of knowledge and know how to turn and dare to try something new in working environment.

This street smart type is what PTPTN must aim for as i believe the PM vission is want to have more 'orang berbakat' in Malaysia. As those many JPA scholarship holder, some have gone to overseas because they do not have any attachment in debt in Malaysia.

In the long run , everyone benefits , but with the current system, problems will arise everytime any issue about PTPTN rises up.


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klu xde interest camne die nak baya gaji org2 die? baya fees lawyer yg die appoint nak wat kontrak sme?
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I copy paste if you are lazy (which obviously you are):

QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 24 2011, 11:04 AM)
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This is what JPA and MARA used t do, but since PTPTN has taken over their role, why can't PTPTN operate the same way?

As for the gaji staf PTPTN, it is clearly being paid from govt. funds and NOT from the repayment of the student loans.
How else could you explain the number of their staff when compared to the income from loan repayment? not to mention the allowances of theboard of directors, several of whom are BN-nominated appointees....
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As for the lawyer fees, the contract is like almost th same for everyone. PTPTN being a govt. agenc must have the free services from the govt.s own Legal Division (penasihat undang-undang) attached to the ministry. Even JPA has one.

Seriously BN would win a huge block of votes just by elminating the PTPTN service charge.....

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our income tax = pay the government servant including ptptn

kalau bank, lain ceritalah.
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Have you not heard of various cases where they have paid more than what is required, and yet their outstanding balance are still not zero?
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oh come on.

continue using "have you not heard this and that" to justify your "i'm not gonna pay, nyeh nyeh".

how many have paid their principal fully with only interest left compounding? i'd say 10 people from whole population of PTPTN-defaulter-fag
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Feb 24 2011, 11:29 AM)
alasan like shit. principal pun tak abis bayar, nak cite pasal interest.

if they're real, pay the goddamn principal and ignore the interest. such simple calculation pun nak kena ajar ke.
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"SInce you still do not understand English, I will write in Melayu." <-- keh..keh...keh....nak tunjuk dia terpelajar la tu...

semua nak murah, semua nak free....itu la perangai orang kita.

kalau aku leh bayar, kawan2 aku leh bayar, kenapa orang2 lain x leh bayar? g

habis belajar, once dah habis final exam, jangan fikir nak rileks @ honeymoon jer....pergi la cari kerja cepat2...pergi PTPTN, tanya dorang mcm mana structure payment, lepas tu buat plan....

bila result keluar jer, terus apply kerja....jgn tunggu convo....pakai slip result pun dah cukup untuk apply....kerja berlambak kat malaysia ni, terima kasih pada kerajaan kerana banyak FDI masuk.....

kerja, tolak siap2 berapa nak bayar bulan2....x susah pun.....xde masalah.....bagi kita yg x deserve scholarship, mcm ni la yang patut kena buat....bukan berjuang untuk tukar kerajaan disebabkan xnak bayar hutang yg banyak.

pada waktu kita sign agreement tu, kita dah jelas ttg apa yg bakal menanti.....ada member aku, dia dapat buat PTPTN, dia masukkan dalam ASB...sbb dia x perlu sangat nak berbelanja banyak...makan pun ala kadar jer....at least ada untuk skit daripada dividen.
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ko sekolah ke tak ni?? bayaran PTPTN akan masuk ke dalam hasil kerajaan.....kerajaan akan salur balik untuk bagi loan kat student baru.....duit sama, rolling lain cara jer.....

PTPTN x bergerak sendiri la, dia still pakai duit kerajaan....
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"SInce you still do not understand English, I will write in Melayu." <-- keh..keh...keh....nak tunjuk dia terpelajar la tu...

semua nak murah, semua nak free....itu la perangai orang kita.

kalau aku leh bayar, kawan2 aku leh bayar, kenapa orang2 lain x leh bayar? g

habis belajar, once dah habis final exam, jangan fikir nak rileks @ honeymoon jer....pergi la cari kerja cepat2...pergi PTPTN, tanya dorang mcm mana structure payment, lepas tu buat plan....

bila result keluar jer, terus apply kerja....jgn tunggu convo....pakai slip result pun dah cukup untuk apply....kerja berlambak kat malaysia ni, terima kasih pada kerajaan kerana banyak FDI masuk.....

kerja, tolak siap2 berapa nak bayar bulan2....x susah pun.....xde masalah.....bagi kita yg x deserve scholarship, mcm ni la yang patut kena buat....bukan berjuang untuk tukar kerajaan disebabkan xnak bayar hutang yg banyak.

pada waktu kita sign agreement tu, kita dah jelas ttg apa yg bakal menanti.....ada member aku, dia dapat buat PTPTN, dia masukkan dalam ASB...sbb dia x perlu sangat nak berbelanja banyak...makan pun ala kadar jer....at least ada untuk skit daripada dividen.
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Kesian tak paham2, aku tulis melayu pun tak paham2.

Interest free bukannya totally free.

Bukannya tak nak bayar langsung, tapi bayar balik apa yang kita pinjam.

Kalau pinjam RM40k buat degree bayar balik RM40k je.

AKu kasik example dulu JPA/MARA boleh buat, kenapa PTPTN tak boleh buat?


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QUOTE(pakdamek @ Feb 24 2011, 11:46 AM)
ko sekolah ke tak ni?? bayaran PTPTN akan masuk ke dalam hasil kerajaan.....kerajaan akan salur balik untuk bagi loan kat student baru.....duit sama, rolling lain cara jer.....

PTPTN x bergerak sendiri la, dia still pakai duit kerajaan....
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Feb 24 2011, 11:42 AM)
oh come on.

continue using "have you not heard this and that" to justify your "i'm not gonna pay, nyeh nyeh".

how many have paid their principal fully with only interest left compounding? i'd say 10 people from whole population of PTPTN-defaulter-fag
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Do you now comprehend the problem with your original solution?

AS I've mentioned, make it interest free, and BN will never have to worry about losing votes any more.....
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 24 2011, 11:46 AM)
Kesian tak paham2, aku tulis melayu pun tak paham2.

Interest free bukannya totally free.

Bukannya tak nak bayar langsung, tapi bayar balik apa yang kita pinjam.

Kalau pinjam RM40k buat degree bayar balik RM40k je.

AKu kasik example dulu JPA/MARA boleh buat, kenapa PTPTN tak boleh buat?
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ada baca agreement x? kalau x setuju agreement, jangan sign, jangan pinjam.....kalau rasa leh dapat rate bagus kat tempat lain, cari kat tempat lain....

"Kalau pinjam RM40k buat degree bayar balik RM40k je." <-- boleh buat, kalau semua peminjam bayar on time...ko nak gamble semua orang akan bayar? orang kita ni, kalau mahal x bayar, kalau x mahal pun x bayar....senang la nak mintak, 40k bayar 40k.....kalau dapat pun, potong jari kalau bayar....entah apa pulak alasan lepas ni.
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Kau sekolah BM fail ke? Tak faham2 apa aku tulis?
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QUOTE(pakdamek @ Feb 24 2011, 11:50 AM)
ada baca agreement x? kalau x setuju agreement, jangan sign, jangan pinjam.....kalau rasa leh dapat rate bagus kat tempat lain, cari kat tempat lain....

"Kalau pinjam RM40k buat degree bayar balik RM40k je." <-- boleh buat, kalau semua peminjam bayar on time...ko nak gamble semua orang akan bayar? orang kita ni, kalau mahal x bayar, kalau x mahal pun x bayar....senang la nak mintak, 40k bayar 40k.....kalau dapat pun, potong jari kalau bayar....entah apa pulak alasan lepas ni.
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Pastu kalau lambat bayar pun, takde denda lewat atau interest naik (macam bank). Cuma [U]tempoh bayaran balik jadi panjang la
kalau tak cover alik yang miss payment tu.

AKu pun nak jujur kat sini yang aku pun miss payment 2-3 kli, tapi JPA kata aku ok pasal aku masih dikira konsisten).

Kalau memang tak nak bayar, memang la dapat surat dari Peguam Negara dan nama kena blacklist jugak. Ini tak boleh maaf la, pinjaman iterest free pun tak nak bayar. Member aku adala dua tiga kerat kena, padahal bukannya tak kerja pun, jadi cikgu kat sekolah lagi. Last-las bila mohon nak buat master dalam education, JPA kantolkan dulu tak bayar loan, tau pulak malu.....

kebanyakan orang meman nak bayar balik PTPTN, cuma diorang tak nak bayar lebih hanya [/U]untuk interest sahaja.....
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QUOTE(pakdamek @ Feb 24 2011, 11:52 AM)
ko yang tak nak terima kenyataan.....
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Aku terima kenyataan yang aku tak dapat scholar, aku dah bayar banyak dah pun.

Tapi aku kesian kat kengkawan yang muda-muda ni yang hutang pelajaran tinggi pasal kena bayar interest, padahal aku tak kena interest pasal aku dapat loan JPA.

Boleh je aku tunjuk troll face kat diorang, padan muka dan segalanya tapi ak membantu menyelesaikan masalah.

Aku bagi cadangan nak selesaikan masalah tak boleh ke?

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 24 2011, 11:49 AM)
Do you now comprehend the problem with your original solution?

AS I've mentioned, make it interest free, and BN will never have to worry about losing votes any more.....
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no, no. i didn't offer any solution. you got me all wrong.

i'm just saying from your statement that "have you heard some people already finish paying their original loan amount", IF they really want pay their loan, they will settle their PRINCIPAL ignoring the compounding INTEREST

in the end, all this are shitty excuse for not paying.
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QUOTE(stormyz @ Feb 24 2011, 11:40 AM)
if there is a very good and clean system, many form 5 leavers will apply. Even the interest at it minimum , with the amount of student that apply , in long run , PTPTN will still have profit.

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I think this is the problem, which is making PTPTN a profit-seeking govt. agency.

It is better if they go non-profit, the management budget (gaji staf PTPTN) should be subsidised by govt.

If the students graduated and have high-paying jobs, the tax that they pay are enough to payfor the running costs of PTPTN.
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 24 2011, 11:58 AM)
Aku terima kenyataan yang aku tak dapat scholar, aku dah bayar banyak dah pun.

Tapi aku kesian kat kengkawan yang muda-muda ni yang hutang pelajaran tinggi pasal kena bayar interest, padahal aku tak kena interest pasal aku dapat loan JPA.

Boleh je aku tunjuk troll face kat diorang, padan muka dan segalanya tapi ak membantu menyelesaikan masalah.

Aku bagi cadangan nak selesaikan masalah tak boleh ke?
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1. tukar kerajaan? x mungkin....mungkin kena tunggu next year...
2. apa leh buat skarang? refinance...mungkin dari bank rakyat @ bank islam....rate paling best buat masa ni.....buat loan penuh, span lama....xde la terasa sangat nak bayar....
3. MPP uni kena main peranan, bukan bergaduh sbb calon dorang x menang...
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I PAY PTPTN DURING MY TIME IN UNI
interest 0% haha halal tak ada ayat
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Feb 24 2011, 12:04 PM)
no, no. i didn't offer any solution. you got me all wrong.

i'm just saying from your statement that "have you heard some people already finish paying their original loan amount", IF they really want pay their loan, they will settle their PRINCIPAL ignoring the compounding INTEREST

in the end, all this are shitty excuse for not paying.
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Paying off the principal while ignoring the interest will only mean they still owe PTPTN money.

Unforunately the way PTPTn calculate the loan, the kos perkhidmatan aka interest is factored in by the time you are supposed to start paying.

They have to pay the outstanding amount (principal + interest) to close the account.

Mst of the people who do not want to pay extra are Muslims. yes, some of these people are stupid for not accepting that they agreed to the loan agreement and that the kos perkhidmatan is unavoidable.

But then PTPTN also allowed 1st class achievers to convert their loan to scholarships, so what's a few extra thousand lost per person because a few do no want to pay any more than what they took?




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QUOTE(Kriish @ Feb 24 2011, 12:06 PM)
I don't get it. If you guys complain so much about PTPTN, why borrow in the first place? Why sign the contract in the first place?

Oh yeah...who can resist the sight of money eh?
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Most do it because there is no other choice.

BTW i have some younger friends who took PTPTN but the loan amount is just enough to cover his fees only.

He still has to rely on his parents for pocket money.

BUt anyway he has graduated and started paying back, he has the same complaint as me (why can't study loans be interest free).

At least his loan is just Rm20k.....
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Feb 24 2011, 12:12 PM)
But then PTPTN also allowed 1st class achievers to convert their loan to scholarships, so what's a few extra thousand lost per person because a few do no want to pay any more than what they took?
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you're derailing.

ujrah or whatever fuc. it is, pay the principal first and then talk kok. i know payment schedule already include the compounding interest (old system), but in the agreement they knew what the principal is.

so, pay monthly until principal amount is achieved --- then talk kok about interest abolishment.

most that i knew just don't bother paying -- coming up with excuse every now and then.
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QUOTE(pakdamek @ Feb 24 2011, 12:06 PM)
1. tukar kerajaan? x mungkin....mungkin kena tunggu next year...
2. apa leh buat skarang? refinance...mungkin dari bank rakyat @ bank islam....rate paling best buat masa ni.....buat loan penuh, span lama....xde la terasa sangat nak bayar....
3. MPP uni kena main peranan, bukan bergaduh sbb calon dorang x menang...
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1. Don't have to tukar kerajaan, BN can do it (make PTPTN interest free), but they chose not to, so don't blame the young voters by that time....

2. Refinancing is even worse, because banks charge commercial rates (higher than PTPTN). Minimum rate is 3.25% per year, and that's if you work in govt.....

3. This a can agree, any MPP whether secretly a BN supporter or PAS/DAP supporter should push for interest free study loans.

I would like to reiterate that Malaysian govt. used to give out interest free study loans for people who didn't qualify for scholarships, either from MARA or JPA, but with the introduction of PTPTN, interest free study loans are gone.

I hope that govt. would consider this simple and probably most practical solution, make PTPTN loans interest free.




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I don't understand why the fuss of making PTPTN as interest-free when the most basic economy of demand and supply is not adhere.

Even lending money in good faith to relative or close frens, U also will think twice/thrice/many many time and hope the full amount will be repay. No one like giving money freely even that dictator mat taib still looking way to songlap sarawakian resourcess. If he become philanthropist, the pig will climb up the tree.

Now the country have mass of student which created the demand and gomen can't ignore this. Thus it create a system which similar as bank loan system. Bank use the country monetary and generate a continous system of increasing the monetary value. You can treat it as a reward for principal owner but at the same time it can be treat as insurance for investor.

Unfortunate most of the defaulter is being screwed by gomen lazy policies and can easy feed with sugar or free tongkat. Since they already mentally being cripple with false propaganda, the bank institute (namely PTPTN) already been like some ppl piggy bank.

Tai Sei before 97 crisis, 40% feed 55% mouth whistling.gif whistling.gif . Now 20% follow u tak suka u keluar and with the economy like this u think the balance 20% still can feed ur 70%. doh.gif doh.gif

Mind you I contribute to EPF and EPF have been forcely giving $$$ to PTPTN and I demand the loan defaulter to repay the loan as stated in the loan agreement considering EPF taking the high risk investment.
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apply scholarship JPA (org pandai)
apply loan JPA/MARA kalau nak interest free (org kurang pandai)
kalau tak apply ptptn.


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Aiya, however is not happy, just vote opposition la. See what happen.
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QUOTE(no0b @ Feb 24 2011, 12:52 PM)
apply scholarship JPA (org pandai)
apply loan JPA/MARA kalau nak interest free (org kurang pandai)
kalau tak apply ptptn.
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JPA/MARA loan no longer exists because PTPTN took over their duties.

So orang kurang pandai but still want to upgrade skills need to borrow, and PTPTN is still the only choice.

But now I have a new question, does PTPTn simply approve ALL study loan applications or they select those students most likely to graduate and pay back?
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Mind you I contribute to EPF and EPF have been forcely giving $$$ to PTPTN and I demand the loan defaulter to repay the loan as stated in the loan agreement considering EPF taking the high risk investment.
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I can understand this problem, but supposedly even EPF do not charge high rates to PTPTN.

I am also a contributor as is most of the workers in Malaysia (except govt. servant la....)

Which brings me to my new question:

does PTPTN simply approve ALL study loan applications or they select those students most likely to graduate and pay back?

I recall JPA and MARA only give loans to people who failed to get scholarship (quota full) but SPM/STPM results are still good (5 As etc).
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QUOTE(verex @ Jan 19 2011, 06:09 PM)
wafak.. ni yang liat nak bayar ni yang grad below 3.0.. thats why they end up getting shitting jobs with low pay... tu lah..time dapat duit joli nak mampus.. bila suruh bayar liat..
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some of my frens cgpa above 3.0 also LIAT TO PAY BACK THE LOAN..
giving so much excuses, i need to pay this to pay that, wanna buy limited edition for this, that bla bla bla......

this is not about what cgpa they got, this is about ATTITUDE

senang cite dah pinjam bayar la balik, sikit ke banyak janji menten bayar...

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bump for ujrah
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Ptptn is bisnes maa..our education fee is mahal..then student tpaksa buat loan..when dh keja the student must byr balik + interest also..this time, baru profit masuk.

If our education fee is low, nobody mau pinjam maa..xda org pinjam, xda bisnes.

Ptptn = legal ahlong.
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QUOTE(hanieyf @ Sep 28 2011, 10:49 AM)
bump for ujrah
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y u bump my old tered..
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About the Ujrah system, I vouch for the article as it is true. We have to pay more.

I do agree that those who borrow must pay as it is a borrowing in the first place but what I'm not satisfied is our education system and our colleges rank in the world. Paid so much but got 3rd world class mentality of education does not match. Not worth it.
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Luckily i dint go for that ujrah crap. Read thru the t&c and everything pointed in favour of ptptn. Decided tht i rather pay offf my loan taking my own sweet time.
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QUOTE(breaker84 @ Jan 19 2011, 05:56 PM)
i am one of peminjam...
but paham2 la, lu dah pinjam bayar jer la....

i follow this ptptn issues lately...
they even borrow from kwsp once (if not mistaken) just to lend those student...
at the end these student so hard to pay...
tak ke gampang tu...

remember suring my studies back then....
got one time, they rise up issues duit masuk lambat....
padahal lambat 2 minggu jer.....
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Sep 28 2011, 12:49 PM)
Luckily i dint go for that ujrah crap. Read thru the t&c and everything pointed in favour of ptptn.  Decided tht i rather pay offf my loan taking my own sweet time.
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well.. taking ur own swept time will cost u something la brother.. heheheheh

neither old system nor ujrah.. both favour to PTPTN..




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Ujrah or no ujrah the loan is already very good and affordable.. 3% interest only...

Sometimes ppl very easy to forget without the money, no money to study then cannot get degree and good job... After get job, buy nice car and never bother to pay back...

This is called biting the hand that feeds you...

I hope epf dont screw up on this.... Epf give members 4 or 5% interest... If they loan to ptptn and ptptn charge 3% interest to students only... Who is paying for the deficit?

Looks like a time bomb to me... Damn worried cuz i am epf contributor oso!!!

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