Ah! Another controversial thread here. This has been troubling my mind lately
everSince King Kenny thinks the Referee Webb's penalty decision against Liverpool is a joke!
& Similarly Babel was punished 10K for his twittering 'joke'.



I thought then this will be a great & timely thread to discuss & address it in every football forum.


Let me begin here by quoting what one of our resident 'Pulis' has to say


Pyro was referring to 3 card Graham Poll in his dailymail column

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...5.html?ITO=1490







As usual be civil & follow forum rules.

My guidelines.
1. Start by giving your opinion whether current batch of FA refereeing is a joke.
2. Why & cite instances i.e. give examples &
3 Then you can blow off your steam or AIR your beef according to your MOOD.

4. And if you like give suggestions what mitigating steps can be carried out by all involved in Righting the 'FA Respect the Referees' Campaign' (if its warranted IYO)

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: May 13 2011, 08:49 PM

reported for thread with flaming intention

Let the moderators decide.
I genuinely believe this issue should not be swept under the carpet.
And that we can debate or discuss rationally without resorting to being 'juvenile' as per my guidelines.

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: Jan 18 2011, 03:32 PM

ur first 3 line is calling for a flamewar which u failed in ur previous thread and contradicts ur so called 'guidelines'

the 2nd part of the quote is flaming another forummer which you to take it to the pm box...
not to mention the name calling...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jan 18 2011, 03:34 PM

Pyro is right in this aspect and I quote him again




And that starts with refereeing 'Without FEAR or FAVOUR'

IMO Graham Poll has made a lot of mistakes, for one reason or another, & now is RECANTING or Admitting to his Toxic Legacy.
Isn't that very clear?

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Added on January 18, 2011, 3:45 pmOK. Can we stick to the issue!
I'm not only inviting Pyro but also Air Mood to a debate along the guidelines.
Of-course there will always be differences in opinions. Theres no reason why we can't debate genuinely without resorting to namecalling or be uncivilized. Only juveniles will do that.

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: Jan 18 2011, 03:46 PM

HAHAHAHA pepandai u, put words in my mouth. I am talking about refs in general. Ever since Perluigi Collina, we havent seen a top class ref around. Graham Poll oso 1 guy, i never think he is a great ref even when he was still in charge, not just the Rafael incident Same goes to Ovrebo and Ben Williams when it comes to China's national team

Refs need to do a better job, simple as that. If they do a great job, they earn respect. Ever seen players call Perluigi obscene names? Thats my message and thats all to it. What is there to debate?

I call for mods to close this thread because this is totally pointless

PS: Pulis eh? then whats with going into MU thread, pulling out a post and turn that into a new thread?

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Jan 18 2011, 04:23 PM

to work, the institution of referees must be respected.

They must be allowed to make decisions as they see fit. And if there are no mandatory respect from managers and players, there will be possibilities that their action will be influenced...

is this thread for man utd haters?
dude come on, please start a healty thread.

if only i can report a reported thread, i will

if this thread is genuine, and not flaming particularly 1 team because they are on top, u will shows more example of other referee doing mistake

again, support of close thread, unless TS prove he is genuine and provide more examples of other team

Thought this would be a decent topic to discuss on?

it would be but as i quoted, his first few lines scream of trolling and flaming...

1) No it's not a joke.
2) Because I don't think so.
3) But I think you're making a joke thread.

The other thread failed and he started this one? I have figured. I know he will be reading on Poll's article that I posted in MUST. LOL.

inb4 all football lounge will be man u basher thread. i cek first post already know

this is what?crazy thread..what a topic..
no need to open this thread..

This post has been edited by aa1985: Jan 18 2011, 06:50 PM

*popcorn ready* notothishitoagain.jpg

so in the end, it's about conspiracy to oust MU outta BPL then? a small step towards great achievement. kudos TS.

ur last thread failed now ur trying again
get a life lol

You try so hard........

I admire your resilience, please keep trying

you'll never win this war. You're alone...

yes,the respect campaign is a joke.
because the refereeing quality is a joke as well.
now,will you close this thread?

exactly why such threads are made...recruitment

Rafael has been punished with improper conduct by FA, according to Soccernet.

Thumb up for this..you r just alone, stop doing this or else you are just making urself looks like a troll more than others can be. Like the others said, this is a decent topic, good to disscuss, but..the rest is just history...

shall i create a thread for that? not fair lo..he's just a kid somemore..

This post has been edited by choy89: Jan 18 2011, 07:34 PM

Like my previous suggestion...make an Official ABU Club & self appoint yourself as president. You're propaganda will be more extensive through that way. You're embarrassing yourself...really. TS is so lonely in his own thread because there's hardly any movement. Only 79 pages in 2 years...That's why he's recruiting...All the stars & all the money but no real fans to share the fun with.

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Added on January 18, 2011, 7:34 pmThat just can't be true cos we're friends with the FA...Dang it! Need more money

This post has been edited by odieseven: Jan 18 2011, 07:34 PM

fa fine rafael>rafael pay to fa>fa donate money to mufc>mufc buy new player

posting for teh lulz

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Added on January 18, 2011, 7:43 pmfa fine rafael>rafael pay to fa>fa donate money to mufc>mufc buy new player

posting for teh lulz

This post has been edited by sickx: Jan 18 2011, 07:43 PM

no lah..rafael just acting lah..he scold the refree so that ppl wont say refree keep help MU lo..
aiyah..how come o you all..that oso don't know..

Lol..........This fella is really trying hard .... Keep trying bro...

I would think that since this is a discussable topic, why not just ignore TS and continue with the usual healthy discussion. What's the point of everyone swarming in and throw insults at him? Make yourself the same level as he is, isn't it?

right, as i said before it is not nice to insult him because he is alone. But in this topic i don't see what is the main point and objective because the detail at first post are vague. I don't get what TS try to point.

One would take him seriously if he doesn't start his obsession over United.

He does it at the last topic he created. And now, a new topic for this? He is just funny.

agree so much


solstice818, i agree much too that this thread is discussable, but its like giving you a great topic to write an essay, but it was started with a even greater opening lol

some1 create a new thread with a much better opening?
something with concrete for and against argument basis for discussion rather than the english FA <3 <insert club here>

Take a look at the Biggest Crime thread. we try to discuss the healthy discussion on "FA and Babel" issue and so on. We ignore the "controversy" that is slit in between his "healthy discussion". it is TS himself who divert the attention back to Berba's dive and how the "FA favours MU". No matter what, he keeps on coming back with his SAME POINT over and over and over just with different topic title.

His obsession with MU is respectable, even i dont think of the team 24/7

he is like Balotelli now...

Any volunteer can go ahead and create the new neutral thread then I will close this one.

what does rafael do? saying Fark off to dean??
haih.ref is human too..depend on your thought la..but i srsly hate webb.

if he really did say that, he really need to be slapped in his face. If you can't respect your elderly, don't even think people will respect you outside the football pitch.

nt sure what he said but it is something which is unpleasant thus the punishment...

then I suppose >60% of footballers in the PL need to be slapped in the face

who knows..there are many young foreign players. balloteli: @#$#**

What about Robbie Savage?

Darren Fletcher is learning the Roy Keane way of confronting the ref, something i am not comfortable with when i see

What was once a "man's game", is turning out to be a game for pansies if you ask me. Just 2 decades ago, you had elbows being thrown about and tackles from behind were legal if you won the ball. Yet, teams played with less players even though the risk of injury was higher. Back in the 1965 FA Cup Final, Gerry Bryne broke is collarbone in the 3rd minute of play but stayed on the field through the 90 minutes plus extra time. Despite constantly being sent into warzones, Phil Neal once played 365 consecutive matches for Liverpool. I just get the impression that players were built of sterner stuff back then and players these days are highly protected because clubs have an obligation to look after 'investments' made by sponsors.

On the issue of referees, I'd say that the FA is being overprotective. I do not condone physical contact of course, but what's wrong with telling the ref to F*** off? These days, you get booked for so much as sneezing in his direction. In a game where decisions are often disputed due to the absence of conclusive evidence, there will be arguments but what is wrong with that? I personally used to berate refs back in the day I was actively playing in Futsal and Basketball tournaments because I see it as part of the game. Is isn't as though all of them are getting death threaths in the manner Anders Frisk did, forcing him into retirement. If you ask me, the FA should focus on getting the refs as much assistance as possible to ensure that wrong decisions are minimised. More officials, goalline technology, video replays, whatever it takes. Do you see anyone shoving the refs about in the NBA or NFL? Sure it happens, but how often and how many times are the refs at the centre of controversy compared to football?

Just to sidetrack, I was really looking forward to Collina refereeing in the EPL. Too bad he chose to retire altogether instead.

Obviously protection is essential or you will see leg breaking incident happened everywhere in the world and things like that ruin a player's career and this became worse if the player is still a youngster. Just look at the once potential striker Eduardo and one of the prominent dribbler in Europe Rosicky. They just became worse after leg breaking incidents, you can heal your physical wounds to the perfect condition but your experience will never stop haunting you. These people started to play football at the age of 3, they don't deserve this. If the players I mentioned gave no sentimental concerns to you, then you can imagine what if someone broke Torres's leg and fractured his ankle, someone broke Reina's neck and someone crash Suso's tibia into 3 parts. They will be gone forever then thats too late to ask the official to do something.

Players need to be protect and I will always stand at this point.

to be fair, the fouls in NBA is very very harsh, players are highly protected...
most contact would resolve into a foul thus u can see the high amount of free throws etc...
any attempt at the referee would be given a flagrant or instant boot...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jan 19 2011, 12:35 PM

The only difference between then and now is this, players get heavier punishment for say, breaking another's leg. In the end, the punishment is moot because no one goes into a tackle with the intent of breaking the other bloke's leg (well you have your exceptions, but very few). It's like the death penalty for drugs in Malaysia but yet you still have people consuming and dealing. I mean, what's worse than a death penalty? Seriously, fines that are dished out these days to players don't actually hurt him. If I earned $50,000 pounds a week, a $10,000 fine is only 5% of my montly salary. If someone earns RM$5,000, that's only RM250. Say you got it from speeding. You'd take notice but it isn't sufficient to stop you from speeding again.

Liverpool once won the league with only 14 players played the entire season, and team in general used less players than they do today. Fairplay, we play more games now but back then, players had very little protection but still managed to last the season. Were there more leg breaks then than now? I don't have the statistics but given what I said earlier about clubs not having to field 22 players, one can make an educated assumption. You use Reina and Torres to appeal to my sentimental side but I do have viewpoints that are completely unbiased believe it or not, with my thoughts in Gerrard's diving a good example. For the sake of argument, if someone had broken Reina's neck, I'd be pissed but it doesn't change the fact that Reina has broken his neck and no amount of money or red cards will change that.

I have no doubt that a player's well being is taken into consideration but one cannot at the same time deny that clubs, sponsors and agents put a lot of pressure on the FA to protect their investments. There always is a political agenda in the end. Don't get me wrong, I think that breaking a leg is a terrible and traumatic thing. I grimace at some of the pictures I see and I can only imagine what its like for another player to see it live. I can only imagine the guilt someone like Shawcross feels when breaking another's leg unintentionally. Instead of taking the obvious route of stating the players need more protection however, I'd first like to draw a comparison between then and now. Are players more reckless these days? Is it because they are more committed because of the high stakes? Are managers telling players to go in harder because they don't want to lose their jobs?

The question isn't about whether protection is necessary, it's about the extent it is implemented. By referring to players, I was a drawing a comparison to the degree to which referees will one day be deemed "untouchable".

Don't follow. The fouls in NBA are harsh? You mean the punishment?

There is a lot of contact in basketball, most often go unnoticed especially in the post but the penalties are the same. Just the other day Lamar Odom and Ron Artest were ejected along with Baron Davis and some other dude. When you raise your hands, you get ejected, just like in football.

The point I was trying to make about refs in the NBA is that they use video replays to review controversial moments, hence players don't see the need to badger him constantly. If someone punched someone else, the incident is replayed instantly to see who the offender was. In football, the refs decision stands and not until later is there a review of the incident. Players therefore bug the ref less knowing that even if he is wrong, the game won't be affected because they can fall back on television replays. In football, the game is affected and punishment meted out later does little to fix the damage that is done. This is why players harass referees in football, because his decision is final, no replay.

To get back on track, I'll say this again. I think referees are given too much protection and authority.

maybe i put it wrongly...
most contacts within the NBA are considered as a foul as opposed to soccer...
even a moving screen, touching the opponent's hand etc is a foul...
thus players are very protected protected...

and ya, one of the difference is as u put it, the video playback...
just like tennis, it helps avoid controversy as the players can 'challenge' in a more appropriate manner...
tennis provide each player with a certain amount to prevent abuse of the system etc and this is one of the best implementation of it...

True but the rules differ, and football allows more contact. In football you can body check another player, which you can't in basketball. Suffice to say, the more your rules allow contact, the higher the risk of injury.

Tell you what. If FIFA really wanted to put an end to a long list of problems, replays will solve them. Why don't you see players harass the ref during rugby games? Because they know that everything is on tape, so to speak. It will help determine if a player dived, if the ball actually crossed the line, if Vinnie Jones actually grabbed Paul Gascoigne's groin and so on. Refs also won't get stick from players and fans because their calls will be backed by 'evidence'.

well... i am a traditionalist who want football to stick with the simplistic human side of it... including referee errors.. if player error are part of the game, so do referee errors...

football should about a group of humans chasing a ball in an open space... if you need a production crew in order, to record everything, before you can start playing, it gets a lil bit too complicated for my liking...

no matter how much money is at stake, the provision of football rules should be the same from the ground of secondary schools to world cup finals...

agree completely with Duke.

it's 1 thing for refs to be protected from abuse and threats to him and his family and so on, but its another to shield him from daily banter and complains. For example look at Babel's case. What does that twitter does to Webb? is he such a girly girl that the picture makes him cry every night to sleep and has emotional issue until he cant do his job anymore, until he needs to visit a psychiatrist? FA has to step in and find Babel, as a "protection" of webb's image. This is the sort of overprotection i think is not necessary...they are starting to take the American style of suing and charging every single incident that doesnt benefit them.

Then there's Rafael's case. Ok he got sent off, maybe the second card was harsh, but its not like the team never get lenient decisions as well. I leave that out coz its part of parcel of football, some fine day u get good results other times u are unlucky. Rafael also maybe shouldnt raise his voice and all, but even if he and Rooney did, it is pure frustration. I once told off my own friend who was the linesman just because he said the ball was out of line when i was dribbling it. like Duke said, its part and parcel of the game. Refs should be able to handle it and shrug it off, and i think the suspension for the red card is a punishment enough for a player. But FA have to "protect" the ref and start charging. What, is Rafael that ugly that when he starts shouting, Mike Dean have 3 nights consecutive of Jack the Ripper nightmare? Then i cant imagine how Mancini's life is when Tevez shout at him for substituting him off the other day. It would be a totally different case if Rafael shoved or headbutted Dean, but apparently refs nowadays have fragile emotions, some bad words to them and they cant take it.

These protections give refs the license to being careless in their jobs and not have to worry the consequences. It's like the government, if they have all the protection they have then they dont have to worry about screwing up the rakyat because they know if there is an uproar, the police will step in and capture any of those retaliating. Over time, as refs finds they can get away with bad decisions over and over again, there will definitely be more and more of bad decisions going around. At the end of the day, its the receiving team's that have to suffer (relegation, suspension, losing out on title etc which costs them millions of dollars of income) while the refs continue on gleefully with their jobs without the need to improve. Refs should be a respectable figure but as of now, they are made to be feared.

Hope what i said makes sense to majority of the posters here, without any hint of club favourism whatsoever. I just think refs need to step up on their job and these strict FA stance wont help that cause.

i dont agree that players can be allowed to show any sort if intimidation towards the referee.. it can subconsciously effect his ability to be fair in his next judgment against the intimidater...

in our real lives also we generally tend to prioritize task given by a barking boss than a laid back one.. its not that we afraid... we just want to spare the annoyance...

so .. Feckk Off to a ref is a no no...

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Jan 19 2011, 06:33 PM

Mostly it's a matter of emotion. When we're on the field, coaches or players alike, we tend to get emotional. Emotions are not easily controlled. Sometimes words are uttered in the heat of the moment & may sound harsh but as long as its not racist or personal attacks, a warning will suffice.

I think one player telling the ref to piss off will influence him less than the whole stadium berating him. Unless I'm mistaken you mentioned earlier that you like the fact there are no replays, etc and there is the drama from contentious decisions. The thing is that when you allow for this, you almost welcome abuse from players or fans. This is why I feel that as humans who have emotions you cannot issue a card each time a player tells you to piss off.

well if the referee is not protected, he would be under pressure from the home side...
and if i am nt mistaken, many would prefer to keep it the way it is now with no playback, goal sensor etc

no I believe that Berbatov's dive should be a yellow card.

i believe that no referee is needed only when a decision is need to be made both will join in a sack race and see who wins it

Thing is, if the FA or FIFA want to 'protect' referees, they would introduce technology to help rather than issue a "hands off the ref" warning. Just as they 'protect' referees by saying that they do make mistakes occasionally and are infallible, they have to accept that players are the same. People speak about how subjective talking points make the game interesting, well I think players displaying emotion makes the game that much more interesting. There is a lot of money riding on games these days, from sponsors to bookies. The ref has arguable the biggest influence on the game and if they really wanted to 'protect' him, they would do all they can to ensure there is as little margin for error as possible i.e. introducing technology. If they don't intend to, the accept the consequences instead of building impositions to shield their reluctance.

First of all I appreciate & am thankful for the constructive posts (Duke et al) here. As for the inane posts they speak for themselves.
What I would like to continue is discussing why 'The FA Respect The Referees Campaign' is a 'Joke' when its continuously being derailed by supposedly knowledgable football commentators & pundits.

To wit Sky's resident 'football misogynists', Andy Gray & Richard Keys, who will not be on air for this Monday Night Football show (Bolton vs Chelsea).
Sky has seen fit to apologize for their off-air remarks whilst still in the studio and being SKY's employees. Their views can in no way shape or form be excused because they are PUBLIC FIGURES.


Here's what was quoted



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz1BxXyn0tY


My questions here
1. Was the Skysports pundits correct in their offside call?
2. Are the remarks truly 'football misogynistic' of these two characters.


I will start here

1. Yes it was a good call by the linesperson
2. C'mon one sexist remark maybe ignorance. Two? Directed against more than one female?

I think the ref should just sent off anyone that is disrespectful. I am sorry, but if you have kicked hooligan fans out of the stadia, why still allow players to behave like one?

Referees should be able to do their job without being constantly abused. Rugby is a much more physical game and emotions on the field are likely to be more fiery as well considering the amount of malicious intent put into every tackle. However I do not see them rugby boys berating the ref to get a decision. Only the captain/vice captain should be speaking politely to the referee. The refs job is hard enough as it is and having grown men constantly telling them to f**k off isn't going to help.

True but why no address the root of the problem and not the symptom? I mentioned earlier why I think rugby refs receive less abuse. It's because they can fall back on replays, just like in the NBA and NFL. Are referees truly "protected"? They are fallible and technology addresses this. They received abuse when? When they make a controversial call so why not decrease the chance of error? The game is becoming faster and refs need to be well fit to keep up for the whole 90 mins. Their job is becoming tougher and thus errors are more common. Remember Mendes' disallowed goal against Man Utd? Quick counter attack resulted in Carrol dropping the ball and clawing it out from beyond the goalline. It was well in as well. Why wasn't it spotted? Because neither the linesman nor the ref was able to keep up with the game. So what? We protect them by issuing him with a license to flash a yellow whenever he feels threatened? Does this protect him off the field? What if it was a World Cup game and there was huge money riding on that decision? Does the FA care what happens to him after the game, outside the stadium? A simple google search will reveal how many death threats are made against referees despite FIFAs campaign to protect them. http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&sour...f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

My point is that if the FA is serious about protecting referees, there is a whole lot more they can do. Football is an emotional sport. The fans are hysterical and if we are against players displaying emotions, then maybe we should ban them from celebrating goals. You can't tell them not to lose it when the ref makes a bad call, but then say its ok to celebrate and rub it into your opponents when you score. I agree that if you show dissent or physically intimidate the ref, you should be cautioned but a yellow for a quick "F*** you" is stupid. Are there even clear guidelines here or is the ref allowed to card a player at his discretion?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 25 2011, 11:53 AM

I honestly do not think that controversial calls are the cause of the abuses.

Rugby, even at its grassroot level, shows respect to the referee. There is rarely any case of dissent. And if there is, the player is either gonna get a very stern warning and a sin bin would quickly follow if the abuse persist.

I think the problem is with the way footballers perceive themselves. They are trying too hard to live up to the "football is a gentlemen's game for hooligans" mantra. They think by shouting abuses at the ref it would make them hard. I'm not saying that they should be bowing to the refs, but think about it this way, if you walk into a courtroom and face a judge and he ruled against you, would you dare to call him an absolute wank and tell him to go shove up his own stuck up little hole? Bare in mind that more often than not, there is more at stake in a courtroom than on a football pitch.

I think what the FA needs to do is to implement this Respect Ref campaign at grassroot. Start with the kids. Yellow card if you try to be a ******* with the ref. EPL stars are too rich, arrogant and set in their ways to change.

This post has been edited by Monstar: Jan 25 2011, 02:14 PM

I don't watch much rugby but I seldom see dodgy decisions being made. Certainly not to the extent where a dive is rewarded with a penalty, or a goal is wrongly disallowed. Maybe it happens but like I said, I don't watch much rugby. From what I can see, the rulebook for football is more complex and this complicates things for the refs. In rugby for example, your only real guideline when tackling is not to clothesline the bloke (forget about the obvious karate kick to the nuts or judo chop to the neck). In football, you can't tackle from behind, lift both feet off the ground, go through a player, blah blah. Maybe its that much tougher being a football referee? Well in my opinion anyway. When there's more margin for error, there is more chance of controversy, hence why I think it's the main reason for abuse. I mean when do players get pissed off and berate the ref? Why do refs get death threats from fans? Its because they made a wrong call. No one would question them if their decisions were backed by evidence i.e. technology.

Footballers shout at refs to make themselves look hard? Maybe but is it only footballers who have an inferiority complex? I'm sure any male in general will puff his chest out and flex his muscles every once in awhile if just to feel good about themselves.

Maybe its because the rules in football have had to evolve over time. I mean rugby rules have been pretty much the same from before right? Football on the other hand is being hit with more injunctions and naturally, players don't like to feel like their being handcuffed.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 25 2011, 02:27 PM

The recent tirade against Atkinson by Fergie is UNACCEPTABLE claims BBC Sports


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/t...utd/9412330.stm
Do you think that just an explaination and an apology will suffice?
Methinks not. Why?

Hahahaha CityBluePrint. I know you will post this. Macam lalat ko ni. Whenever ade 'shit' pasal United, ko for sure akan raise the issue. Why am I not surprised?

Because we need to top up our monthly payment to the FA by 15% as well? i think thats somewhere in the contract.

Ferguson is a serial offender!




http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/t...utd/9412330.stm


Anything less makes a mockery out of the FA Respect the Referees Campaign!

As I said before No Player is Bigger than the Club nor any Manager is bigger than the League!
No not even Fergie.
Thats why Fergie & his supporters need to understand that!
Simple as that!

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Added on March 3, 2011, 6:50 pmThats exactly my point!

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: Mar 3 2011, 06:50 PM

ever thot of reason behind saf did wat he did??

ever thot of did the ref do their jobs properly??

ur argument is one-sided, and it's targeted to MU. even in ur own thread. but credit where it's due. u bumped up an old & dying thread when MU is under scrutiny.

In any controversial situation there is always a Protagonist and an a Villain to make it Interesting & Competitive. Morerso when there is BULLYING involved.
Fergie is a known bully (recalcitrant serial offender). I guess once in a while somebody have to come along to stick up for the underdog.

Care to debate with me why Fergie doesn't respect the FA campaign?

wanna ask u arrr....Ferguson's father owe u money before izzit?

See my previous post OK.
Why does Fergie rant against the referees? To cowed the referees? So that MU gets lucky or the 'rub of the green' so to speak?
Especially when the next PL match is gonna be the most watch (by local fans & punters too).

No la. You or family owns 'share' in MU?

yes.

Ok. The main point is about Man Utd !
So if you hate man utd post here n discuss it.
Only MAN UTD !!

Btw,
Can i lol to this thred?

Lolololololololololololololololololololololol.

My bad

Sure but try to make it more interesting & creative with substance OK.

Just be BETTER NOT more arrogant in the process. Kindly note that

Sorry got to go makan! Hold your chee tan!
au revoir

have fun! dont tercekik tulang ikan ya!

Really top hater of Man Utd...

Just find all the story about Ferguson and Man Utd's players not respect referee and ignore other managers and clubs?Good job there,nice try

This post has been edited by beck_ken: Mar 3 2011, 07:47 PM

i introduce to you president of anyone but united,CityBluePrint.

oh wai-
he went out already.

Founder of lyn ABU sounds better

makan apa la
go drink oil la... bapak die minyak banyak kan.

id like to be the right hand or say vice president of ABU SDN BHD
but i will not contribute anything

do i has a approve?

like that,we need to do official meeting first.cannot simply offer yourself as the vice president.need approval from the president and do election.

but for president job we don't have to vote.as long as he doesn't get the vacation,he can be the president.

What about you? You use nick as if you own shares in ManCiteh.

Don't waste your time talking to this dupe.

This post has been edited by nshady: Mar 3 2011, 08:39 PM

Go suck a chode you bitter blue.

Oh and happy 35th birthday.

I think he's kinda cute that way..

i think he just someone that hate united too much don't know for what reason ...

then city was bought by rich daddy and he just join the club to continue attack united as he knows money can buy success and beat united ...

Hi Mr CBP, don't you want to point out SAF's comments on Atkinson? Or SAF purposely blacked out the media after the loss against Liverpool? Or why not highlighting what Wenger has commented on Sunderland's match? Better yet, Holloway's rant about a certain penalty against Chelsea last night? And I would gladly to remind you Whelan the Wigan owner hits out at referees that are scared to give decisions against United.

Let the conspiracy theory begin!

This post has been edited by boxsystem: Mar 8 2011, 09:41 AM

Believe it or not.

SAF like the saying goes is a repeat offender & has a record of dissing the FA officials from way back. His disrespect can be traced back to as far as 22 years ago ( I guess most of you are not old enough or not born yet).

Stems from the famous SPAT (1988-04-04 after a 3-3 game) with Liverpool. Liverpool went on to win thier 17th. championship title that year. Its all in the media googled it.

In typical Ferguson fashion (whats new) he claimed that MU had been the 'victims of yet another INJUSTICE' at the hands of match officials.

SAF further told journalists that he & other managers 'have to leave Anfield' choking on their own vomit, biting their tongue, afraid to tell the truth'.

Now is that what he is doing swallowing his pride or vomit, afraid to tell the truth or being a Mute for the current ldefeat and humiliation at the hands of his arch rival Kenny.

Now the truth about Atkinson & Fergie Time.
Remember the 7 mins of extra time given by Atkinson for United's Derby win at OT. At Goodison Park Atkinson blew the whistle early when Everton was mounting another sstrike at United's half according to Moyes to allow Fergie to escape with a point! Thats my notion of Fergie time. Whatever to enable Fergie to 'win'

Remember Jonny Evans kick that fractured Drogba's rib. Yup Atkinson gave a yellow card against Chelsea.

Now how can SAF be mendacious in his argument that Atkinson is anti-united? A convenient lie to continually disrespect or bullying the FA offficials. You tell me.

Abang, mana pulak SAF cakap Atkinson anti-United? Bukan ke dia cakap dia nak strong referee?

"You want a fair referee, or a strong referee anyway - and we didn't get that," said Ferguson to MUTV in the aftermath of the game.

strong referee = referee with suppapowah.

jk. ;p

Aaaahhh, correct correct correct.

Don't blame only the referee, but blame the 2 stupid guy above there controlling the referee and basically the whole football.