so coming back to the the seller in ebay, do u think its genuine? personally i dont think so
1. cheap price
2. no official has been mentioned
3. power web on the shirt too far from the FFF emblem

Dave aka Country_Murchman never sells fake and I can vouch for that. He is one of the biggest and reputable jersey sellers on Ebay, from his bomb_clothing days.

I am not a techfit collector so I cannot comment much on any perceived differences. Just to highlight a point here on use of terms in discussion. Bear in mind before accusing one of selling fakes, it is imperative to have solid evidence. Otherwise I would recommend using neutral words like doubtrful or suspect. This is to prevent baseless accusations to spread needlessly and also to prevent contents being defamatory which will attract the person defamed to take action against members here and / or the forum. Not that i am directing this to any one or any post in particular, but just a gentle reminder only for all.

Maybe other techfit buyers can share their pics and views and see. Any differences spotted can be compiled and sent to the seller for clarification. There could be several scenarios. One could be there is a commercial techfit version and a player issue/prepared version. Cheap price, while most of the time useful, cannot be a definitive indicator, especially with trusted sellers who have thier pool of resources (bundles, clearance, distributer items) etc. And player issue nowadays are really so much more cheaper due to the easy availability. Most are in the region of GBP25.00 - 50.00.

Looking forward to hearing from others on comparisons etc.

Last time.. United Direct is suspected to sell fakes.. Now, one of the most reliable reputable ebay seller..... the one most die hard hard core football jersey collectors know....

chaiyya345,

You said you collected jerseys longer before than me.... you should be more knowledgeable than me, or know better at least... This is seriously a joke.

Remember what I told you last time.. be careful and wiser on what you say here. I remember you barging into this thread asking gary.. what gary.. and then making yourself a laughing stock with that United Direct comment. You told me to don't be too serious. Well, today you've made yourself look funny again..

I'm a bit busy now at work, once free I leave my comments and reasons why they are 100% authentic. But to most members here, you guys should be able to know if county_murchman is selling fakes or not.

County_murchman can and have been selling cheap Player Issues because I personally think he has connections with kitmen from various places. He used to sell Aston Villa PI kits for as low as GBP15, and he has steady stream of these kits especially during end of season.

Another reason why these France kit are so cheap is because not only is it out of date, it's also because France is not under Adidas anymore and therefore probably all these kits are released for discard or sth, and the kitman may as well give it out or sell them like a bundle shop.

I think above 3 sifu had explained well enough..

if you are the seller and being accused selling fake without any evidence, no doubt there is certain degree of reputation damage to the seller..

En. Faiz... i dont know what ur up to, but i dont think u should be reminded for 1 of the rules set by urself. keep on bashing my comments. yes.. ive been collecting more than u did.. but i did mentioned that doest make me an expert. ill post more pic of france away techfit bought from the seller later when im home. previously u were sad now ur laughing.. lol then. but i also mentioned it may be a defects item too, rite? by looking at the seller's item in ebay, he has categories & 1 of it is "official" too.. so it triggers me something. i didnt accused UD selling fake shirts ok & i was highlited the differences & i was joking when telling gonna screw UD for this.

u dont like me the moment i joined this thread. i dont know y... u were sad cry then & im a laughing stock to u.. laugh then...

ok.. im not here to argue with any of u but instead making frens since we have common hobby, should ive said something wrong... i apologize. here what ive spotted for the france awat techfit bought from the seller.

1. federation francaise de football text at the back collar is bold instead of plain
2. power web is kinda crooked likes its not been properly heat pressed & left some air
3. those stripes & printed logo/emblem is kinda sticky after washed after the 1st time (not to my other techfit/formotion) i just soak, rinse & dry never spin
4. inside the shirt, many unwanted leftover threads (ive cut it)

hold on.. ill post the pic for more visibility.

thank-you very much



This post has been edited by chaiyya345: Jul 4 2011, 01:33 PM

Thanks a lot for the info. Essential info for newbies like me.

Thanks.

Hope Can Get More Information B4 I Proceed Order.

While I am not taking sides, I think I know where Faiz is coming from. It is in a way the manner of presentation and the choice of words used etc. While there is freedom to express one's views freely, there is also what we call courtesy.

We have spent alot of effort in trying to create a decent discussion board / thread on football jerseys and promote friendly discussions among hobbyist and collectors since 2008. I think we have at least managed to garner some interests and awareness among collectors, old and new alike, based on the theme of courtesy and friendliness and have to a certain degree created a place for knowledge sharing and healthy discussions. We promote non-club sentiments when it comes to collecting shirts. The forum has also always been a place where hobbysit make friends by being, well, courteous and in a way, humble.

Thats why it irks to see one make a comment that shirts bought from UD are not authentic, for example (this is readily implied from your comment), and that goods from reputable sellers are challenged (not just mere questioned, which i think is still reasonable) without solid basis apart from assumptions. If goods sold are indeed fakes and there are solid proof, we will readily agree so - there is no reason not to. This forum, is after all, about sharing and discussing, not just barging in with self perceived views - this to some may be insulting and as I mentioned earlier, defamotory. But when there are none forthcoming, it is a baseless accusations - and gainst some of these sellers who, through the years, have became friends with us, which sparks our above reactions.

I do not intend to comment or bash even after the earlier comments. I am also not entitled to teach anyone how to be courteous. so just take the above as a general reminder thats all and hope everyone gets along well in the forum.

We JCs are after all, a unique minority The more we should stick together.

And thank you for your observations. Do share the pics when you have time to load them.

I will also check and see if I can get any useful feedback on the issue.


This post has been edited by chcher: Jul 4 2011, 02:23 PM

hie! thanx for the constuctive confrontations & thoughts well, here is what ive spotted. left is £99.71 & right is £25.00. what i was telling for thte power web lining & FFF emblem is far between these 2 & mine is the right. ill post more later for the
1. federation francaise de football text at the back collar is bold instead of plain
2. power web is kinda crooked likes its not been properly heat pressed & left some air

okay, I personally have both the techfit box set and the one from county murchman.
Yes, it is true that the box set's badge is embroidered while the one from county murchman is printed.
I have personally gotten a few PI kits from this seller and I am absolutely sure that they are original.

First of all, are u comparing the same size? I'm viewing this from my phone so it's not really clear but if I am not wrong the one on left is size S and the right one is XL. if that's the case, then it makes sense for the bigger size to have more space between the power-web and FFF logo, as compared to a S or M sized shirt.

hi Gary,

in his shop, he separated the "official replica shirt","football shirts" & others too... mmmm i dont understand y he does this. im still looking at his france techfit home & away both the FFF emblem is far from the power web. seriously im not sure right now...sorry

i dont think size does matter since im having both L size & home is near to FFF & away is far. hold on ill post some more pics for
1. federation francaise de football text at the back collar is bold instead of plain
2. power web is kinda crooked likes its not been properly heat pressed & left some air

I have split the shop like this because if i just put replica shirts i get lots
of e mails saying does replica mean make made in china etc. However
if i put official replica it stops the questions.

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Added on July 4, 2011, 4:23 pmYes there is and this is why i have taken my right to reply here, again
i point out that the person saying i am selling fakes is still buying from
me up to a few hours ago. The question i have is why that would be ?


This post has been edited by county_murchman: Jul 4 2011, 04:23 PM

hi Dave, its me sorry for the complications here ya... is there any possibility that those france kit are defects? anyhow, ive just bought something from u :

I do not buy or sell defect jerseys.

I have been offered them in the past but i stay clear of them
because of all the problems and returns it causes.

Then ive got no more explanation that i can offer to you, chaiyya345. It's up to you if you still insist that the items are fake or defect items. if you dont believe it is 100% authentic simply by the way seller label their items, or if the word "official" is present or not, or the distance between shirt is different, instead of definite signs like matching/correct info on the tags + seller's reputation among us, then thats your choice.

My stand is that Dave has been selling authentic items, be it replica or PI for a long time and at a cheap price too, even offering good discount price on regulars like me or those buying in bulks. Im sure a few others share my sentiment as well, and its up to other forumers to make up their own decision, based on the discussions that have been going on.

I don't know your real name.. so I will just say chaiyya345.

What chcher said is already what I meant. As what he said.. it's the matter of choice of words. You cannot simply accuse someone selling fake goods without affirmative and solid proof. The folks in this forum normally ask my help to check and verify first if it's authentic or fake. They ask first. But you previously straight away jumped into ship and say that Dave's FFF techfit shirt is fake. As what you said earlier:

Isn't this childish?

And who said I was laughing? Did I say "hahahaha" in my previous post.

I already advise you to be careful in what you say previously. Seems that you didn't learn from your mistakes:

This was what you replied:

That is my problem with you. You have a lot of jerseys... fair enough. I have a lot of jerseys too. Try to be humble and don't straight away jump into ship and accuse someone's authentic shirt as being fake.

Here's my proof that it's authentic. Very simple... even most newbies in this forum knew about this.

Take a look at the jersey's price tag (photo taken from county_murchman's ebay sales page:

Look closely at the price tag.. there is a barcode sticker there with the correct details:

Fake jerseys (grade AAAs) from Thailand and China NEVER has this. This is one of the easiest way to tell if a jersey is fake or not. Something I thought to all members in this forum and at my-fjc forum. Very simple.. I know there are fakers who started to imitate the barcode sticker on the price tag but the info is too detailed and accurate. It has FFF A JSY printed on it and also TF and P printed on it (TF = techfit, P=player).

Another thing to look at... the design code: P41217. Ok the photo is a bit blurry... but that is the CORRECT design code for the same jersey. You can even check at another japanese store selling the same stuff:

http://oka-fb.com/france-10.html

Look at the price tag.. the barcode sticker.. what is the style code?

I don't need to check if the printing of the FFF crest is not the same.. nor the techfit plastic band..... That is too subjective, printings can be different for different shirts.. same case as the embroidered FFF crest vs PU printed FFF crest. It's too subjective. But that barcode sticker is solid proof enough. And finally, if you have the same techfit shirt, look inside the shirt, find the washing tag.. find something like this:

There is a small square tag that has the manufacturing date (month/year) and style code printed on it.. It should have P41217 printed. If that's the case, trust me it is 100% authentic. I could be wrong.. since I don't have a techfit shirt (poor me...).

Again, for the second time I hope you learned your lesson. Hope you see my point now. Honestly again I believe you have too much to learn. And also, please don't straight away accuse something is fake unless you really know your stuff. I hate people selling fake jerseys that they claim is authentic but I also hate people accusing good people selling authentic stuff...

Sorry if you felt angry with my previous posts. I apologize. But you too need to learn as much as I am still learning.

Hi Dave. Nice to see you around.

Don't worry sir. We know you're selling good legit stuffs, not bootleg products. If any seller does that (sell legit stuff), we don't mind backing them up. It's FOC.. for the sake of this hobby (collecting jerseys). Thanks again for the great stuff you sell daily at ebay. Known you since your old days as bomb_clothings..

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: Jul 4 2011, 05:05 PM