Hey guys, decided to open a topic to talk about Starcraft 2 gear you use and reviews and impressions of new SC2 gears.
Anyone used the Marauder, Spectre or Banshee yet? Any reviews?

http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/

This post has been edited by sayming: Jan 15 2011, 04:33 AM

nt worth it...
keyboard is not mechanical which is one of the most important piece for sc2...
jz marketing gimmick wit flashy lights...

Not getting it because the red light indicators shows that you have LOW APM yo!

How do I know if a keyboard is mechanical or not?
Example of mechanical models?

SteelSeries 6GV2, 7G
Razer BlackWidow

mecahnicals are steelseries 7G, razer blackwidow. well, as longa s they cost over rm400, they are mechanical.

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Added on January 14, 2011, 2:52 pmthat sc2 gear marauder banshee spectra gear is bullshit. its just another low quality gaming gear with light bulb from razer.

for keyboards, get mechanical, or those rm10 china brand. get 1 white 1 black, switch the important keypad colours. etc. 'I' for immortal...these are important.

mouse, steelseries are far more superior than razer, but razer have claw grip mouse which SS have only 1 kinzu?

earphone, heck it doesnt even matter.

wat matter the most is skill.

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Jan 14 2011, 02:52 PM

mechanical switches, full NKRO...
they improve ur APM a lot...
the easy to get are: SS 6g v2, 7g and razer BW...
the harder to get are the better ones: filco (fruitdealer and other pro gamers in KR using), ducky etc

ps: they cost 300++

I don't remember better keyboard can improves your APM - -
The korean are just using membrane keyboard like DT-35 and their APM could achieve 300+

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Jan 14 2011, 03:04 PM

its due to the actuation point when u dun have to bottom up...
unless u are used to bottoming up thanks to membrane keyboards, then mechanical keyboard is nt needed...
ppl who touch type have around 100wpm on mechanical keyboards due to this...

So Razer BlackWidow>Razer Marauder?

despite using blue switches, yes it is still better...
BW is mechanical bt nt fully since it does nt have NKRO but more than enuff for sc2...

i'm not so emphasize in peripheral, but using a good mouse la, razer deathadder. hahaha am using logitech RM20 keyboard lolz

Skills is all that matters. If you suck on a RM 10 keyboard and mouse, you're still gonna suck on a RM 400 keyboard and a RM 600 mouse

well, the blackwidow costs rm299 atm, but otherwise, the steelseries i think should be rm4XX?...

i heard that if you really want a good keyboard, the blackwidow isn't one, and many said that razer has good mouse, but not keyboards...true? lol

Trying replacing your cheap keyboard with an expensive one and see the result of your game. If it still suck, means you suck.

well i dun last time (i used to ask ppl to get mousepad > mouse > keyboard)...
but when u reached a certain extend u would be frustrated with ur gears...
i'm using a cheapo keyboard and i getting very very annoyed with it...
let it be typing for my work, WoW or sc2...
some keys jz dun register unless u bottom down fully which is not helping when i now touch type alot (u will reach that stage when u type a lot especially if u do coding etc)...
and the lack of NKRO further made it worst when u press keys in such rapid succession...

waiting for filco brown to be in msia and would be picking it up ASAP...
that's how frustrated i am...

PS: blackwidow is generally nt recommended for gaming due to it using blue switches which is meant more for typing and harder to double tab keys...

oh ya in wow when i maximize my dps making use of every GCD i tend to press lots of keys very fast especially on mobile fights... those are the moments when u will feel the need for NKRO etc...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jan 14 2011, 09:00 PM

I have 150wpm+ when i'm in primary school... and i believe the primary school's keyboard aren't mechanical...and yes its proven by the softwares used by my Microsoft Office teachers and i got the Microsoft certs as well for typing fast, which is useless for my future purpose.

But i believe with the result of typing fast, i'm able to achieve this in the video below, sorry for the blury capture tho.


This post has been edited by kEazYc: Jan 14 2011, 09:04 PM

if really need NKRO go get a P/S2 KB... that the true NKRO....

True but its slowly getting obsoleted...most of the latest motherboard now only comes with 1 PS/2 slot, but luckily mouse doesn't has any affection by using the USB one.

that.......guy.......in........the.......video.......is.......you......?

i cant even finish a level 5 song in o2jam XD no talent.

sorry as much as i wanna believe u having 150wpm, its nt something possible unless u are typing short ez words...
professional typist float at around 100-120...
the record is 216wpm...

btw o2jam is more to spamming and reaction rather than accuracy at all...
had frens with low wpm that did so well in o2jam (my sis included lol)

actually, i would put o2jam more to reaction + MEMORY...if u memorized the song, u can play it with your eyes closed, lol...

02 jam is a keyboard killer though, so...XD...i wonder does a g7 dies to it too, lol

I don't know about it then, the teacher just ask me to key in a paragraph with more than 500 words infront of some guy, and i thought that these guy must be some higher level teacher that wanted to see how's the student's standard over there after 5-6 months, end up the teacher told me they are some guy from Microsoft after i finished key'ing in, and i see something like 15x ish number on the software when the guy took over the computer, few days later i got a cert from Microsoft noted that i'm one of the fastest typist in the younger generation, my teacher explained everything after that because they are amazed to see such fast typist in the younger generation, and so they make an appointment with the Microsoft fella, then got took photo by the media and stuffs, and of course shwoing their huge company name at the back, probably they wan more students to enroll to their class, marketting stuffs.

Funny stuffs is i did even brought this cert to my first interview for a job, but sadly my SPM results turned the interviewer down. And the interviewer seems to not believe that i have such a cert and even asked me "did i made them my self?" lol, maybe i look too lala that time malaysia is such a "realistic" place.

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Jan 15 2011, 01:49 AM

lol, thats some awesome story lol....would like to have such talent XD

if u go interview looking like a lala, in malaysia and other countries, doubt they will have a good first impression of you...always remember, first impressions counts...=)

well mechanical keyboards are known to be 10x more durable compared to membranes...

not that i doubt you but 150wpm is a little hard to believe as i've said as it is very very fast even for professional typist to reach that speed...
and ya sadly in our country results > all and they rarely take other merits like skills etc...
part of the reason why i did pushed myself very hard back then but i would say its worth it...
still studying now?

ps: dress formal and no spiky hair etc during interview >.<

I like this statement although it's not always true, those super expensive LCD included keyboard is expensive as hell too

SS mechanical kb... expensive like... cant imagine..

150wpm, I consider my self above average just having half the wpm you have now..

There's USB mechanical keyboard which is able to achieve full NKRO, sadly I hardly need NKRO for my speed and skill now.

I have played less than 5 SC2 matches after acquiring my mechanical keyboard, I felt afraid to play the game now =(

Yeah i actually learn't it right after the interview, still young ma when just come out from SPM, now i'm working at IT retails shop. :S

owh ya, just if you guys want to know how failed is the razer starcraft 2 set,

in the recent starcraft 2 competition at Tbun wangsa maju, they provided us with razer full set, banshee earphone, marauder keyboard and spectre mouse. 90% of the gamers did not use them, just unplug and use our own.


p/s ProCobo is the man! (for those who have seen his mouse.....)

well, technically, what i believe is that those "pro" gamers already have a liking towards their own equipment and it has a better feel to it i guess, so using other eq is just...weird to them i guess?

what mouse he using?

steel series 6gv2 is the better option to get if u wan a value for money keyboard, ain't it?XD

price range rm400 there is it?

6gv2 is around rm 350-400...
black switches is pretty good for double tabs...

oo, thanks evo...was thinking of getting a SS keyboard...was wondering between the 7G or the 6gv2...done some homework and many said that it's pretty much the same, except that the 6g doesn't have wrist wrest and some earphone usb port...thus, makes it cheaper

cool, will try to get it some time in the future, haha

i know scrubbie is using 6gv2 as well =p
i'm still waiting for filco brown...

i've checked out one persons opinion between the 7g and your filco brown, haha:

Steelseries 7G
Key feel: Stiff and Linear
Tactile feel: None
Noise: Very Little
Rollover: Full NKRO
Key Delay: Untested
Key travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
Typing: 4/10
As you've probably figured out by now, Cherry Black switches are best as pure gaming switches because of their stiffness. And this board gets a lower score than other boards because of it's layout. The Enter key is larger than normal, and the Backspace and Left Shift keys are shrunk. If you are comfortable with keyboards with that sort of layout then just ignore this. But if you aren't, then be ready to reach further away with your pinky to fix your typos.
Gaming: 10/10
Just like several other boards here, this one is perfect for gaming. The Black Cherries help against accidental keypresses, it has full NKRO, and a PS/2 connection for near-instant response. It's added benefit is that because of it's smaller Left Shift key and addition of another key between it and 'Z', you get one more key that you can reach easily while gaming.

Filco
Switch Type: Cherry MX Blue, Brown, or Black
Key feel: Light (Blues), Very Light (Brows), Stiff and Springy (Blacks)
Tactile feel: Crisp (Blues), Rounded (Browns), No tactile feedback (Blacks)
Noise: Light click (Blues), Silent unless bottoming out (Browns + Blacks)
Rollover: Full NKRO on PS/2, 6-key + 4-modifiers on USB
Key Delay: 3ms on PS/2
Key travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
Typing: 10/10 (Blues), 8/10 (Browns), 5/10 (Blacks)
As long as you pick the right switch to suit you you will not be disappointed with this board. It is excellent in every way.
Gaming: 9/10 (Blues), 8/10 (Browns), 10/10 (Blacks)
The reason the Cherry Blacks are better for gaming is because they are a) stiffer than the others, so that you don't press keys accidentally, and b) have no tactile bump, which makes it easier to rapidly press a key over and over (like for dodging in Unreal Tournament). But besides the switch type, this keyboard is perfectly equipped for gaming with a native PS/2 controller and full NKRO. And you can also switch out the WASD keys for purple ones!

Just get a PS/2 slot for your keyboard if you don't wanna hear "duuuut duuut duuuut" sounds coming out from your motherboard, full NKRO.

its personal preferences actually...
i prefer the feel of brown compared to blacks haha...



Buckling Springs:
- Tactile and clicky
- 65g to actuate

Blue Cherry MX:
- Tactile and clicky
- 50g to actuate

Black Cherry MX:
- Non-tactile(linear) and non-clicky
- 60g to actuate

Brown Cherry MX:
- Tactile and non-clicky
- 45g to actuate

Topre:
- Tactile and non-clicky (spring and rubber dome combined)
- Available @ 30g, 45g and 55g variation

from: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1610986

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jan 16 2011, 06:42 PM

I think you need to relink your image, can't click on it, can't see anything.

fixed

Ok what's with that finger... never seen that before.

finger strength as black are more stiff...

lol, and i guess that's the "muscle", eh...XD

its about the size of 2 thumbdrive only. SERIOUS SHIT

everyone were teasing about his rm20 mouse but when he uses it, its like SS Xai XD

i think because its not that durable as gaming mouse, he buys new retractable mouse every tournament. not very sure tho, ask scrubie.

owh, i saw more than 10 mechanical keyboards that day....including ALOT of filco. no black widow, a few SS 6gv2

evo wats the difference of the weight to actuate?? does it mean thats the amount of pressure u need to apply to press the keyboard?? sry ar noob here =) wanna learn lol

got black widow, used by marksmanKNG

yea Marksman is using a razer blackwidow Ultimate , hes working on a review of BW which will be published in DuskBin Website

This post has been edited by Ash: Jan 16 2011, 10:52 PM

the force needed to register the key

is a mechanical keyboard really necessary?

its not...
but if u are spending 300bucks for a keyboard, u might as well get it over other crap like marauder

whats the biggest advantage of using mechanical keyboard? i am using the RM20 keyboard, and i like the feel.

hmm....im now using an everglide scissors switch but i think that the keys are too shallow, ya, i can move very fast on it but i kinda like the high islands clicky feel in old keyboards....am thinking of getting 2 rm10 keyboards, 1 white 1 black and change the keys into checkerboard like marinekingprime XDDDD

keazyc, you are using Qsenn dt35 right? where can i import it?

im still struggling is it really nessasry to spend rm430 on Filco....I tried it for awhile and the tack tack tack feeling is really awesome but im afraid i might not get used to it in long run...-.- then rm400 is too much for a student. if im sure i will like it, i can save up and buy it durng CNY....since i already have top notch mouse and mousepad that can last forever.....

www.gmarket.co.kr or look for a female forumer called blossom86, she can help you to import.

better keyboard produce immortal/collosus faster~? or better keyboard make u macro better~ @@ i just using RM 20+ logitech keyboard

The steelseries 6GV2 does not have any macro function.
However, when do we need macro?

I might be getting a Gaming Keyboard soon. Should I get one with macro function?

If you're a WoW player, you might need it.

No, I don't play WOW.
I only play RTS (Starcraft 2 etc) and FPS (Crysis etc) games.

Then macro isn't for you i guess, macro is banned in SC2 fyi.

i doubt there's anything u need to use the macro button for in sc2 lol...

and imho being a wow player and an officer back in wotlk, macro is nt really needed in wow as u would be using their in game macro more...
the extra macro keys are pretty useless >.<

Ic.
Thanks.
Gonna get a SS 6GV2 real soon.

mostly the durability, response time (actuation point) where u dun have to bottom up and feedback (u can feel the key presses)...
the NKRO helps when u are pressing keys in rapid succession that they overlaps more than 2 keys as most keyboard is on 2-KRO

means if i spam APM, press 5 keys together, it counted 5 times? i know my currect keyboard, if i spam too much, the mobo will scream DUTTT..

yup...
u can press all the keys together and it would be count as u press all keys...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(key)
when u reach a certain typing speed, it would be a problem (even for gaming like FPS where u starve + crouch while reloading etc)...

Now in a dilemma whether should get 6GV2 or any brown switches keyboard (Filco etc).

Wonder where got display units can test. Want to know how it feels and how different between black and brown switches.

This post has been edited by rockccf: Jan 17 2011, 04:23 PM

usually depends on ur preferences, no better one its all about which switches u like to type/ game on

wait for pc fair, i remember last time they let u "test drive" their product. Dont worry too much on keyboards, what is important is your skill.

The problem is I got no idea where can I test those switches LOL since this is my first time getting a mechanical keyboard.

pc fair i guess, but filco is nt there though rumors of them being imported is there...

yup when ur hardware is limiting ur improvement then it matters...
else its skill sitll >.<

true, still laugh out load when i saw newbs using mamba, razer mouse, mechanical keyboard, lycosa, starcraft gears, starcraft mousepad, even razer easrphones and still......performing subpar...to be polite, subpar...

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Jan 17 2011, 04:36 PM

Indeed, skill is important.

But actually i am getting the keyboard for 50% gaming 50% typing.
I heard that typing for a long time on black switches keyboard gets tired easily.

yup due to the higher actuation point needed...

u racistttt. they looks real good with the equipment ok. hahahaha, btw from my point of view, those who use cheap peripheral and can pawn gosus, are the real gosu for me.

of course u can buy u want comfort etc as well...
for some1 like me who sit in front of the pc for 10 hrs per day, its a good investment...

Use normal keyboard and mouse till you reached to a point where you cant improve anymore. From there, decide whether it is yourself or your equipment is limiting your "true potential".

I lol at those people who go to cyber and change everything except the monitor and cpu. Own mouse, keyboard, mousepad, headphones. Might as well play at home right?

Actually, if you're pro its ok, but if you suck, then i feel sorry for you..since alot of people will be drawn to watch you play.

but there's no wrong also rite, its for his own comfort. i wont bring my own mouse and keyboard to cc unless its tournament.

Nothing wrong la. If you don't mind everyone peering over your shoulder

same i rarely bring my own mouse but i am comfortable wit my mouse as the mouse in CCs are usually bad thanks to dotards hammering them and eating while playing (same as keyboards)

I use a mech keyboard doesn't mean I have to be good, same vise versa when you have bad equipment doesn't mean you are bad either..

well usually only in tournament tat ppl will bring their own gears...
when playin for fun...da most would be mouse and maybe mousepad...

since every mouse has different dpi...u may not get used to the cc mouse due to dpi difference...and also size

is Microsoft SideWinder X6 mechanical keyboard?

nope

In the end couldnt resist. Bought the marauder Zzzzz

my deepest condolence to your rm300...

lol, pay another rm80 u can get the 6gv2

many said the marauder is used to kill your money...XD, getting a black widow could be more worth it...but it's a collectors item...so, not too bad for ya i guess...haha

Just bought a Ducky Cherry Brown from moogle

a, so you are the guy! where do you live? i always wanted to try brown switches b4 deciding blue or brown....

ya if he didnt grab it, i would when i am back from penang...
sigh too bad i am at penang when this happen...

a...im in penang right now oso (bukit mertajam)....and celcom broadband is failing me badly, roasted 20+ drone and was just about to win, DCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

lol swt...
i am using streamyx here but mostly jz gonna wow, dun have my desktop with my and dun like to play on my laptop anymore

Hey guys im selling off my Steelseries 6gv2 for RM 315..

100% functional

outlook 95% due to wear and tear

4 months of used

someone is upgrading to a better mechanical keyboard

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Jan 31 2011, 10:06 PM

So what keyboard might you be getting, Calvin?

ducky blue i heard. anyway kepala where you living? its hard to try brown here....blue is everywhere...

quest, u might need to see the cherry red switches, i can feel the the pressing is about the same is dt-35

i live in subang jaya, selangor. =D

can i pay a visit to you next week? we can meet at public place if its not convenient.

-kin choong, i didnt see any red filco available yet....any model in the market yet?