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 Conceptualizing Death, Doing Psychological Research on Death

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peace230
post Feb 9 2011, 10:10 AM

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From: 石头暴出黎ger..
"I'd just like to ask you to elaborate on this - people fear death because they're lonely... What makes you say that?"

In chinese: Born to this world without nothing, leave this world also without nothing. 生不带来,死不带去.

Y u want to become richman? cos u need money to show off, to show your ability in leadership, finacial ability, intelligence, agility & etc. To make ppl admire u, make u feel great.

Then for those lack of ability: they run away from reality, so many ppl suicide, cos cannot/dare to face the reality.

& then y many ppl sacrifice their live to fight for their honor,& country.??

All this becos feeling, feel. U feel great event u die in war, u r honor,( at the same time, many ppl also die with u). Then for those ppl who suicide, cos his think his is useless, & no one admire/recognise him especially in term of life.

& so on for the rich one. some ppl said...穷的只剩下钱了, nothing more except money. y??? cos lonely.

Simply explain only. if u interest in anime regard the life, " what we come to this world?" & "why i believe in you, but u betrayed me" & "am i born to fullfill other ppl desire?" or "should i live in single or in community".

this anime call "neo genesis evangelion" 1-26 end.

Pls note that what i wrote here r regard" I'd just like to ask you to elaborate on this - people fear death because they're lonely... What makes you say that?"

& not " after u death, where u go"

Sorry for my bad english. " some ppl born to be help other, then the "other"
ppl born to get help from other (who born to help)???


Regard the death: 轮回, if u believe in recyclable space: 永无止境的轮回空间.

& simply talk abit, do u c inception movie. great. when i have bad dream (2 layer, 梦中梦) chasing by ghost, & i reality that, force yourself wakeup imediately, then u still in the dream, bcos the environment got little fake, then u force again uourself to wakeup. aFTER that your head damn pain. this is my dream 2 layer. 1 layer- u dream a toilet, then u want piss off, but u will realise that r dream, so u force yourself wakeup, & go to real toilet. right???/

next: importantce issue that inception not mentioa, but i have experince:

u dream a ppl & a place..then talking alot...after that..u wake up..just some normal dream...but after a year, in the same place where u never go before, same ppl u talk...suddenly u realise that all this scene happen in your dream a year ago...how to explain....

Un explaintable in my mind, cos this happen between the space of dream & reality. Fake vs reality. but, until i saw a movie:

i got explain ( not science form) when i saw a movie. it's simply & can be acceptable. the movie call: 无限复活

Thank alot. & sorry for my bad english.

LuciferAmadeus
post Feb 9 2011, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(mktu12629 @ Feb 9 2011, 03:20 AM)
Thanks for responding =) You're the first Muslim to respond, so I'd like to ask you. Based on your understanding, what does the Quran say about death? And you mentioned "some fear of death common within the Malay-muslim culture". Would you mind telling me more about that? And yes, you can leave as many aspects as you want so long you're comfortable with it xD
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The Quran simply says that once we are dead, our soul will leave the body. There are a few things that will happen:
1. Between our death (once the body is buried) and the day of judgment.
2 angels will come to us and start questioning us about our deeds during our lifetime. Even during this period, the angels starts to torture if we were bad or let us be if we were good. If i'm not mistaken, some of our sin will be paid here already and hence discounted when the day of judgment comes (someone please verify this).

2. During the day of judgment.
Before we are brought to a 'court', we will have to 'queue' to wait for our judgment. The waiting time is said to be long and, for the most people, harrowing. How quickly you are brought to the 'court' depends on whether you got the priority or not i.e. certain good deeds will give you priority over other people. Once we are brought to the 'court', all 'evidence' of your good and bad deeds will be brought forward. There on, your eternal fate will be decided. There are still chances to get mercy (in our term 'syafa'at') before we are really brought to hell, though. But again it depends a lot on the type of good deeds you have done. (To analogize it in simple term, the 'court' counts the quantity, the blessing checks for quality.)

3. After the judgment.
For muslim, people who did sin and wasn't forgiven for it will be 'cleansed' in hell first before they get to enter heaven. Those who enters heaven however will be assured they will not be questioned again i.e they will never go to hell ever.

On the attributes of death itself, the Quran has no say whatsoever. The implied meaning i can conceive is that death is merely a transitional event without deeper meaning of itself. The only thing I can perceive is it is simply a 'dateline'. The best attitude toward death then is to be optimistic and hardworking, just like finishing a project before its dateline.

There are 2 'characteristics' of death in Islam. 1. It will never be known in its exact time when it will happen to a particular person until it happens. 2. The time it will happen is fixed even before our birth to life; it will not delay, it will not be made early. It will be dead on time.
This means that you can do nothing about death. There's no point in complaining about or mulling over it, there's no point in avoiding it, you can only be prepared for what will come after death. So again, the best attitude would be to be optimistic and hardworking.

Common fear of death among malay-muslim culture is the association of death with supernatural beings such as ghost and poltergeist (which nowhere in the Quran says anything about those).
Also, malay parents tend to scare they kids about what happens after death (the questioning and the tortures) while i think it is inappropriate because death by itself should not be feared; the thing that should be feared is our own actions that will lead to retribution.
They also like to associate 'untimely' death as a form of a retribution (or in some cases a blessing) which is wrong with respect to Quran. The time of death is predetermined before we are even born, hence it is illogical to say that 'untimely' death is a punishment (or a blessing).

I don't know if that answers your question. If it doesn't please feel free to ask for clarification. wink.gif

 

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