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 Game Development in Malaysia, Who is doing it and how does one start?

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Cheesenium
post Jan 10 2011, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Dogma18 @ Jan 10 2011, 11:01 AM)
Well said. And I fully agree, so this isn't just some passing statement. I wanna research as much as I can and what is needed. Hence the topic.

I unfortunately, don't have the skills to program a game. What I do have is an idea. A few actually. That's why I need a team.
But it's the intricacies of starting out a game company that I'm ignorant about. And I'm not afraid to admit that. Which is why I'd be grateful for any advice given.
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Then, get some programming, artistic or management skills. You cant just run a development team, as you have no skills at all. I worked with mod teams before (in DoW1 community), every single leader(compiler in IDH mod, thudmeizer in AI Mod,mastrorobertus in SL Mod) in the community have some amazing skills like programming, hacking, modelling or something. If you dont have any skills, how you gonna lead the team if you dont even know how things works.

Developing a game isnt as easy as you think and it is not the same as playing a game. Playing a game is fun, but developing isnt the same, as you are looking at that small aspect almost everyday, trying to debug it or code new features. I was with AI testing, where i have to play a race(which was Imperial Guard, as it's AI is very broken, and i was good with them in multiplayer) daily, just to figure out what build orders to implement for the AI. If not, i usually just run a script that force the Player 1 of the game, to be run by the AI, where technically im watching how the AI play to find how many face palming actions the AI is doing like the AI decides to spend the rest of the day building infinite bunkers for some weird reasons. So that another Polish guy, Larkin can code or debug the AI.

I have almost no programming skills, which means i cant code lua scripts, where i just stuck as a AI tester, sucks in a way, but it gives me an eye opener where game development isnt for me. It's not that fun coding the AI, as it's pretty tedious due to the amount of probabilities and the amount of time needed for testing. At the end, you got a pretty similar to human AI, where it micros, retreat dying units, have multiple build order, uses every single thing in the game and so on. It feels damn natural and it wipes typical players all over the floor. It does feel damn good, but im not keen about having game development as my future career. Thats why i say, games are fun to play, but developing it isnt the same as playing in almost every way.

Also, the way you write the post, it makes me feel as if you just woke up one day and say:" OH YEH, im gonna make a game. lulz". Seriously, the way you are now, i think i'll salute you if you have some sort of semi working alpha as i really have no confidence that you will achieve anything, without any skills at all. Ideas alone wont get you anywhere, as you can see in various modding community(not just DoW, also applies in UT, Total War and so on), where people with ideas only, but no skills, they wont get anywhere. You need skills, to bring your ideas into code.

I think, what you should do now is, get some programming skills and start the work yourself as an indie or better, join a mod team, as they always need people with skills. Then, slowly build whatever you are thinking to do, at the same time, decide whether this is for you or not.

Btw, long live, Imperial Guard!!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Jan 11 2011, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Dogma18 @ Jan 10 2011, 02:36 PM)
Actually, I've always had the dream of making an awesome game for years, so it wasn't just a revelation I had one day. But seeing that now we have the technology and access to development tools so easily, I figured that we as Malaysians should step up in the industry. While I've dabbled with some programming before, my skill sets fall into marketing mostly. But I understand fully that I need to have the skills to bring my ideas to fruition. Thinking of trying out Unity3D as H@H@ mentioned.

PS: I prefer Eldar, Warp Spiders ftw smile.gif
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Dreams alone wont make it a reality.

I think you need skills before you even start your own game.

Would be better if you try some game that use lua, as it's quite easy to use. At the same time, you get to experience game development yourself to see whether is it suitable for you or not. You can be filled with enthusiasm now, but after you actually get your hands on it, you might not enjoy it. The main thing is, you must enjoy making games, so that you can make awesome games. That is also why the Western developers make better games generally because they love making games. If not, look elsewhere, like i am in engineering now, as i like solving problems in running analysis.

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post Jan 11 2011, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Jan 11 2011, 10:47 AM)
These days you could probably skip learning C++ in order to do games. Python is used in creating Eve Online for example. It can also use the libraries listed above.
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Python is a great language. Extremely easy to learn, and still as good as C++.

QUOTE(LittleBro @ Jan 11 2011, 10:49 AM)
Wah, all talk into making games. What about selling them? Selling is more important than making them.

If doing games, I suggest going into small apps with short development like facebook aps. Selling games especially PC games = suicide cause sure pirate like mad. Promoting outside like awareness campaign oversea is really expensive. Malaysia is like Free to Play model. In Japan, this so call (doujin) amateur game makers actually makes money because piracy in Japan is a taboo. "Recettear" sold over 100k copies because of "Japan" brand. No point spending time,effort and especially money into something that would go down the drain. If sell in Malaysia price would be around RM 10 - RM 25 would be reasonable.

I suggest being amateur is better, you keep your job. At night or weekeend spend sometime doing it with a group. Almost capital free btw.
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IMO, you need to know how to make games first before selling them. If you cant even make anything, how you gonna sell it even though you have great marketing.
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post Jan 11 2011, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(LittleBro @ Jan 11 2011, 10:56 AM)
Great marketing? You can sell things without the actual product. Its call scamming.
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Im not keen with scamming.

There are enough scamming in the gaming industry.

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