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Discussion Ballon D`Or 2010, Let vote and discuss

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Jusstatic
post Jan 10 2011, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(-Nos- @ Jan 10 2011, 04:11 PM)
europa league is a second class league yo.
what is that compared to world cup winner and la liga champion?
get your brain dissect yo. whistling.gif
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Hmm.. Quite true, but why does the German Budesliga gets an additional CL slot for the German teams' performance in the Europa League.. These UEFA people ah... blink.gif hmm.gif
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post Jan 10 2011, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(Jusstatic @ Jan 10 2011, 06:07 PM)
Hmm.. Quite true, but why does the German Budesliga gets an additional CL slot for the German teams' performance in the Europa League.. These UEFA people ah...  blink.gif  hmm.gif
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haha..
really?
weird, what kinda performance?
mind to enlighten me?
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post Jan 10 2011, 09:54 PM

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http://www.goal.com/en/news/2724/ballon-do...s-not-deserving
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post Jan 10 2011, 10:01 PM

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rumoured that mou has won coach of the year..not a surprise


Added on January 11, 2011, 3:06 amoh kesian Xavi...Well 47 goals is too much to handle for FIFA and co..congrats Messi

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MrFay
post Jan 11 2011, 03:06 AM

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just as i expected..lionel messi..a phenomenal player..



and i got all my predictions correct except for the puskas award..hamit altintop won it..he was surprised when they announced it..
but the goal is somehow like a lucky goal..i would prefer van bronckhorst goal you know..it was a stunner..

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post Jan 11 2011, 05:47 AM

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This award should Inesta and Xavi won .. Because they is playmaker who's make a assist to score the goal ..
By the way congrate to Messi rclxms.gif
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post Jan 11 2011, 07:12 AM

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Mohd Norhafiz as captain voted for Xavi, Sneijder and Puyol

Rajagopal voted for Iniesta, Xavi and Ozil

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post Jan 11 2011, 08:19 AM

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I will be posting this in the inter thread. But what the heck. For the fun of it, watch the Barca jersey getting signed, or lack of.



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post Jan 11 2011, 09:12 AM

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based on accomplishments, Messi shouldnt have won ... and it is a shame that Sneijder wasnt even listed ... his contribution to the treble and a world cup final appearance ... what more can one ask for? treble + world cup itself? =P
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post Jan 11 2011, 09:57 AM

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here's de list of different naitonal team's voting.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/classic/aw...ayer_finalx.pdf
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post Jan 11 2011, 12:23 PM

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ronaldo voted for xavi & van bommel has invalid vote biggrin.gif

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post Jan 11 2011, 12:43 PM

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And the name of the captain of Comoros is ....."the captain of the antional team"! what a long name... haha

anyway congrats to Messi. The voting is not based on sentiments or based on achievements or trophies. It is based on experience and judgment of 400 odd national coaches and team captains who are probably the best candidates out there to judge the best player, coach, goal etc, because it is them who knows and understands the inside workings of football and knows what it is needed to perform at the highest level consistently etc.

But one thing though, is that only International team coaches get to vote. I would have thought most of the experienced coaches would be club coaches. For example, Fergie dont even get to vote.

Anyway, there is always house rules for different polls / competitions, just have to accept it and move on smile.gif


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post Jan 11 2011, 12:50 PM

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I felt Iniesta was more deserving rather than Messi, but hats just me. smile.gif

Plus: I also felt Hamit Altintop's goal was nothing compared to Matty Burrow's wonder goal.



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post Jan 11 2011, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 11 2011, 12:50 PM)
I felt Iniesta was more deserving rather than Messi, but hats just me. smile.gif

Plus: I also felt Hamit Altintop's goal was nothing compared to Matty Burrow's wonder goal.


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superb back heeled volley!! hahaha
myb he was absent that night, and the award goes to altintop? haha, he looked really surprised..of course, he didnt expect that a goal against kazakhstan won him an award last night..and the kazakhstan keeper who unable to save the shot for altintop was the one who gave the trophy to hamit altintop biggrin.gif
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post Jan 11 2011, 04:17 PM

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final vote results:

Messi, 22,65%

Iniesta, 17,36%

Xavi, 16,48%

Sneijder, 14,48%

Fórlan, 7,61%

Ronaldo, 3,92%

Casillas, 2,90%

Villa, 2,25%

Drogba, 1,68%

Xabi Alonso, 1,52%

xavi not even 2nd. blink.gif
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post Jan 11 2011, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(sepulse @ Jan 11 2011, 04:17 PM)
final vote results:

Messi, 22,65%

Iniesta, 17,36%

Xavi, 16,48%

Sneijder, 14,48%

Fórlan, 7,61%

Ronaldo, 3,92%

Casillas, 2,90%

Villa, 2,25%

Drogba, 1,68%

Xabi Alonso, 1,52%

xavi not even 2nd.  blink.gif
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remember, the award was voted by captains and coaches from around the world..only they know about the players on the field..
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post Jan 11 2011, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(MrFay @ Jan 11 2011, 04:33 PM)
remember, the award was voted by captains and coaches from around the world..only they know about the players on the field..
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that also depends a lot on level of information they receive in those part of the world to make a sound judgment..
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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Jan 11 2011, 05:17 PM)
that also depends a lot on level of information they receive in those part of the world to make a sound judgment..
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We are certainly not in the position to question that aren't we? These are top top footballers we are talking about, whose performance get so much coverage in media. Surely all NT captains from all over the world receive enough info to make their own judgment. And they are the professionals as well.
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post Jan 11 2011, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jan 11 2011, 05:56 PM)
We are certainly not in the position to question that aren't we? These are top top footballers we are talking about, whose performance get so much coverage in media. Surely all NT captains from all over the world receive enough info to make their own judgment. And they are the professionals as well.
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we here in SEA are blessed with wide market for foreign football broadcasting. I dont think they are that easily available in the other smaller nations who's interest in the sport probably not that much..

at most they can probably expect are selected matches in the EPL or in the Champions League. Its very rare to get Seria A broad cast to fully appreciate what sneijder had done to win the treble. Or to get Barcelona's full match week in week out to appreciate why Xavi could be as important as Messi..

if they only served with news clips or highlight, and the hype of written press, i think Messi would definately win it hand down.

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post Jan 11 2011, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Jan 11 2011, 06:13 PM)
we here in SEA are blessed with wide market for foreign football broadcasting.


Now that we are blessed with wide coverage of foreign football, can we say that Messi is definitely doesn't deserve the award? No matter how you'd want to put it, it will still be a tough call.

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if they only served with news clips or highlight, and the hype of written press, i think Messi would definately win it hand down.
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Now that Messi has won it, are you implying that he won because of news clips and highlights? Again, its tough to say that, because, again you have no proof that NT captain of some poorer countries receive minimal coverage of other players.

Now please refer to this document, can you say Sneijder receive less nominations from NT captain coming from small countries?

Let me list countries (outside Europe, as the small European countries may also have decent coverage of the major leagues) that have their captains voting Sneijder: Antigua and Barbuda, Aruba, Azrebaijan, Barbados, Costa Rica, Djibouti, Guatemala, Guinea, Lebanon, Mauritania, Nigeria etc etc.

By medias: Angola, Bostwana, Comoros, Congo, Djibouti, Dominican Republic etc etc.

My point is, it is very ridiculous to say that the reason Sneijder didn't get voted among the top 3 is the lack of media coverage. Just look at the countries that have brought up his name during the voting. I'm sure many of us never even heard of a country named Comoros, and I've googled it, and yes I did find an archipelago named Comoros. The same goes for Xavi and Iniesta. We can't say Messi won because lack of coverage for other Xavi and Iniesta.

My opinion on why Messi won it is purely because Messi's performance inspired more footballers/coaches/journalists than other players. We must remember, this is an individual award. To give the award, one should not look at how many cups the player won, because that is more of a team award. Individual award is different, it is all about the personal achievement of the player. If the player inspires more people than other footballers, he get the individual trophy.

The argument that the award has been spoiled by politics is totally BS, and have no proof at all.

This post has been edited by matyrze: Jan 11 2011, 06:54 PM

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