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post Jan 26 2011, 06:16 AM

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A left footed winger would be good. But who is out there that we can realistically get?

Nani is first choice(after Giggs on his day) on the left wing for me. Valencia can put those crosses from the right, Nani can be the unpredictable guy.
And we're gonna have Cleverley back as well. Another right footed player who plays on the left wing.
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post Jan 26 2011, 06:20 AM

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QUOTE(radio_head @ Jan 26 2011, 06:18 AM)
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Well for someone that good, we just won't buy him to fight out for a squad place. Nani and Valencia is the first choice with Park as the squad player. It has to be someone of lower ability IMO or a promising young winger for us to sign.
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post Jan 26 2011, 06:54 AM

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City at home, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal away, Chelsea at home... 15 points there.
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post Jan 26 2011, 12:07 PM

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Hope to see Lindegaard in action this weekend. Though being an away game in the cup, SAF might go with the tried and trusted instead of him.
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post Jan 26 2011, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(sickx @ Jan 26 2011, 11:57 AM)
who let the cops out? tongue.gif

guys,dont mean to stir any controversy,but do u think rooney still has heart to play for man utd?i can't comment on this since i still haven't watch any man utd game this season apart from the game against arsenal.what i noticed in the morning's match is that once he was subbed out,the goals came.coincidence? hmm.gif
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He has been playing well since he came back into the side after the first few games where he was struggling a bit. He was very good against Birmingham. His and Berba's role is reversed this time round. Berba is getting the goals, while Rooney is providing. And he just need that luck in front of goal to get into goalscoring mode again. Get a couple in quick successions, watch him go.

As for last night, Hernandez was up against a tiring defence so it was easier. And the way Hernandez plays is more suited against how Blackpool set their defence up since Hernandez plays on the shoulder of defenders and they defend a high line so there's space to exploit. Rooney was unlucky to get subbed out I thought. It could have easily been Berba or anyone else on the pitch at the time. But since Berba is the man in form in front of goal and that he is a better partner for Hernandez, it was Rooney who was subbed out.

If you known how Rooney works, it's always like this a few seasons back. Get into form, got injured, and take months to recover his form. This time round he's quietly producing the performance by assisting lots of goals, but people judge strikers by the number of goals they score. So everybody thinks he's not in form when he's very much in form. Just need that scoring touch back. But if he's helping us win games even if he's not directly scoring them in, who cares right?
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post Jan 26 2011, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(FieryAeon @ Jan 26 2011, 02:29 PM)
I'm not denying Giggs' existence, I'm talking about people who can step up to the plate and eventually replace our evergreen veterans. Right now, I'm not seeing it. Maybe they'll take years to mature and get better, like wine or Fletcher (lol), but sometimes these youngsters get impatient and you see them running away like Tosic did. Sadly, I've never seen Cleverly play so I can't judge but Obertan and Bebe do have potential, they just have to work on improving. Gibson...let's not go there.
Rewarding Hernandez immediately with a starting position would be like a knee-jerk reaction I feel. As many of the others have said, Rooney's overall play hasn't been poor the past few games, though I think he and the whole team were a bit off the pace against a very energetic Blackpool side in the first half. Plus, that pitch looks like it's horrible to play in. Isn't it even worse than our Bukit Jalil stadium? rclxub.gif

With Blackpool expending lots of energy trying to close our team down, they eventually ran out of steam near the latter stages of the game. Even if it's home ground, a pitch like that can drain your stamina IMO, and that's when fresh legs becomes crucial. If you ask me, the decision to sub Rooney was more of a tactical change than anything else.
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Nani left, Valencia right. Bayern home at OT last season. Park as cover for either side. Giggs staying on for another season or two. Cleverley will come into contention next season and who knows how big Bebe would grow. The wing position is the least of our worries IMO unless Valencia come back half the player he was before the injury.

QUOTE(Pain_X @ Jan 26 2011, 02:34 PM)
No no,don't get me wrong,obviously Rooney will start scoring again,no doubt about that whatsoever. And the more he plays,the better he'll be. Trust me,im thrilled whenever i see Rooney in thet starting 11 and when he's not,i get worried. All im doing is thinking of an alternative if his form doesnt improve over the next few games. Who knows,maybe some bench time will do wonders for the lad?
But remember,Hernandez is a young fellow playing very well! This could very well be the season that defines him or molds him and propels him to be one of the great players of the future. He's been doing and saying all the right things plus the fans love him. How often do you see a young boy break into the first team and rise to the very top from there? IN MY OPINION,hernandez could be that one. So by giving him game time,it builds his confidence and he becomes mentally solid knowing that he managed to break into the first team of Manchester United during his FIRST season!!

What i mean is basically like this : Its his first season,he's playing well. This could be the season that shapes him into a great player. Besides we're not losing anything by playing him,he brings A LOT to the table.
But i can't comment on Owen la,if you can remember my posts from last time,i never really liked that fellow tongue.gif
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It's about the overall picture. We play better with a non scoring Rooney than a scoring Hernandez. Right now Hernandez is not at that level yet where he can be consistent in his all round game. It will come. He will get his chances, don't worry. It's a squad game. There's plenty for everyone.

For the meantime, for us and Berba especially(remember his drought when Rooney was out injured/rested around Oct-Dec?), it's better to have Rooney on the pitch. They link up beautifully since he came back into the picture. And our performance have returned(along with Ando back) where we were struggling previously.

First game back against Wigan, played 35 mins. Didn't contribute. 1 point.
2nd game against Blackburn Rovers. Had 2 assists. 8 points.
3rd Arsenal.. tight game. 0 point.
4th Sunderland, 1 assists. 5 points.
5th Birmingham away, drew 1-1. 2 points
6th WBA, 1 goal, 1 assist. 12 points
7th Tottenham away, tight game. 1 point
8th Birmingham home, 2 assists. 9 points
9th Blackpool away. Awful performance from everyone. 2 points


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post Jan 26 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_yit @ Jan 26 2011, 04:16 PM)
with all due respect Wan, when did i say gibson "STARTED" on the wing? What i meant is, it is clear for everyone (and i think most of the people here will agree with me if they had watched gibson being shifted to the wing in previous matches) that he offers absolutely nothing to the team once he is shifted there. I cant see the rationale in shifting him there when it is obvious he is uncomfortable on the wing. Without being harsh, even if the team needs someone to do a job on the wing once we shifted from a 4-3-3 to 4-4-2, surely the better choice would be to shift Fletcher to the right and nani to the left ala:

Nani - Scholes - Gibson - Fletcher

At least we know fletcher will be able to do a good job on the right and offers more to the team. Although Fletcher can't play as an orthodox winger, he can still combine with rafael thru his movement, tucking inside, leaving space for rafael to overlap onto. Do we see that in gibson's game?? I can't stand how fu""king frustrating it is last nite, everytime that clown receives the ball and just stand there, doing nothing, clogging the space evra was supposed to run onto. Its like our attack stops whenever we try to play it thru his side.

With regards to formation, hey we can argue that 4-3-3 to someone is 4-5-1 to another. Those who interprets it as an attacking formation calls it 4-3-3, those who see it as a solidifying the middle of the park formation calls it 4-5-1. If fergie's intention is to counter the threat posed by blackpool, it didn;t really worked very well did it? I can't remember how many time last nite in the first half vaugh, the blackpool midfielder ran from deep without anyone tracking him, and how adams had so much time on the ball without anyone really getting near him. IMO, fergie changed from 4-3-3 to 4-4-2 because berbatov was isolated upfront. He was barely getting touches on the ball as such, fergie instructed rooney to play on top with berba to give us more goal threat after we are down by one. which brought us the urban legend called gibson (the guy who was expected to do a job on the wing when all he does is become a liability to the balance of our team).

I remember someone in this forum calling fletcher a headless chicken.  Its obvious that fletcher is not in good form for the past few months but we can see in the 2nd half, what a great job him n scholes did in a center midfield 2. As i pointed out in my first post, the 3 CM stank for the first 45 min. Scholes was non-existent, fletcher was everywhere but getting nowhere near the opposition's midfielder, gibson....... so bravo for the upturn in performance in the 2nd half. Credit given where credit due.
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Big deal. The tactics we started with didn't work out. Not the first time, won't be the last. That's why we change it around. SAF don't have a crystal ball laying around his place to see the future.

You think SAF thought Gibson would be good over on the wings? Of course he don't. He's a CM. Just like Fletcher is not a RW. Fletcher is better of course on the right, but we need to think about the middle more. You yourself notice the work Fletcher does in the middle in the 2nd half. It's about keeping the shape of the team. With Scholes there in the middle, we need Fletcher to look after him. Not to mention defensively, Fletcher is better than Gibson and is more solid for that role. With Blackpool players running all over the pitch, Fletcher is more mobile to cover the mid areas. And we can get away with Gibson/non winger playing on the wings because most times it won't hurt us directly like it could in the middle. Same goes for the defense area. And considering most managers don't change players midway in the first half unless it's absolutely necessary, you should understand why Gibson was stuck wide left.
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post Jan 26 2011, 05:02 PM

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post Jan 26 2011, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_yit @ Jan 26 2011, 05:04 PM)
Sigh.... which brings us back to the question everyone would like an answer for... why is gibson still an united player. The way i see it, gibson is not in the team based on merit. Its just that  fergie had promised him that he will get to play a set amount of games this season (let say X number of game), and fergie is trying to find games to stick him into to meet the quota and pray that he would get through it without being a liability. If we are really short on CM for this game (Ando carrick hurt) we can always tuck o'shea on as the shield of the back four. IMO, o shea with a definitive set of instruction to keep things simple and shield the back four will be more efficient that gibson last nite. Nonetheless, fergie's mind had always been hard to pick. Won't be surprised to see gibson start on the wing in the next game against southampton.
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Can you give me tomorrows toto/magnum/kuda number? ta.

Subs were Lindegaard, Evans, Ando, Owen, Giggs, Hernandez and Fabio.
O'Shea was probably unfit or something. Try looking harder.

And in the initial formation that we used, Gibson(and Fletcher) was used ahead of Scholes with Fletcher doing Fletcher and Gibson trying to attack. Work quite well in the first 10-15 mins before we conceded and they had the upper hand. Whole team was bad. But it's easy to blame Gibson.

Fletcher started out wide at first. Got stuck there quite a while. He got the same amount of abuse if not worst.


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post Jan 26 2011, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_yit @ Jan 26 2011, 05:46 PM)
U can't really compare gibson with fletcher. Fletcher was only picked on when he was younger becoz of all the excessive hype and expectation placed on him when he was younger (the label "next beckham"). If we can look through all that hype, clearly from the first few games he played he's not the same player that beckham was. If we are able to look past that, and judge his performance objectively, he actually did a competent job on the wing (when fergie started him there earlier in his career) and was more than competent at passing the ball. In the last 4 years, after taking those steroids and harrying the h.e.l.l out of opposition CM and absolutely owning the midfield in big games did he get some form of recognition.

I'm not gonna go thru the route everyone seems to use when he comes good and say i told u so blah blah blah, had been supporting him from day one thru thick and thin.........u get what i mean.( been seeing a lot of these closet fletcher supporter). I just thought he was a competent player who had raised his game during the last 4 years and i am glad for him.

However, as i am a bit lazy i might be wrong, I had never seen anyone substituted at the stroke of half-time as much as gibson when he starts a game. Not even during the "horrendous stick" period fletcher went thru. Something surely must be amiss here when everytime he starts a game, he doesnt appear for the 2nd half. If the writing is not on the wall for him as a liablitiy for the team, i dunno what is.
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They're almost similar really, in different ways. SAF saw the potential. Fletcher, big game player. The one who would run non stop. With Gibson he sees those long range screamers which would be very useful to have. And Gibson is a good passer of the ball when he usually gets involve. I thought that interchange between him, Evra and Rooney were good in the first 10-15mins or so. After that the whole side collapse. But let's put all the blame on Gibson. doh.gif

We were down 2-0 away from home. And after a change of formation, he was playing out of position. And we have the evergreen Giggs on the bench who could turn the game around. Considering the What would you do?

Hmm.. Let's see.

Nani-Fletcher-Scholes-Gibson + Giggs

It's no shame to be substituted at that time, considering the ability of those first 3 and who he went off for. If it was still 0-0, he would still be on the pitch. But we needed to chase the game that time, and he's not a winger.

Only one time he went off at HT. And that was in last night's game. Keep looking.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/7...-gibson?cc=4716


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QUOTE(calvin_yit @ Jan 26 2011, 06:00 PM)
brother, tomolo no kuda,no magnum, no toto la. Today onie got. u still got 1 hour 10 min to place a bet. I give u toto nombor.

2(blackpool goal)

3(united goal)

10 (extra time)

15 (no. of min needed to turn game around)

28 (no. of the player i wanna see gone)

45 (the amount of minute we stank as a team last nite and oso the landmark time where "sir" ryan giggs came on and changed our season)

FYI, the winner of toto get 28million  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  (i want half after u win okok??)
Seriously, i know the whole team was bad in 1st half. i aledi said the 3 CM first half stank. but my opinion on gibson is not just based on one game. Its just that everytime i see him out wide, i kinda wanna cry for the FB playing behind him. Sorry tho about the sub bench. wasn't aware oshea didnt suit up. Woke up switch on TV, ngam ngam kickoff. Didn't see sub bench. Made my point on fletcher on wing during young career in the above post. Anyhow, i agree that gibson may had been given orders to make runs from midfield to support the attack. But the funny thing is (and i hadnoticed this a lot), he likes to do this weird move where he will pass the ball to fletcher who is in a tight position and then just ran straight into the penalty box when it is clear the pass was never on. Then i will go like W.T.F u doing!!!!  mad.gif
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He's still very much a work in progress. And it's kinda unfair considering he was out injured for a while before turning up in December. He's not the best talent around to be fair. And I can't see him be a first teamer for us. But he can be a solid(squad/backup) player for us IMO. That long range of his will be useful. And his all round game(passing) is quite good when he does get himself involve in plays. We'll see how this season goes for him. But my guess is next season he will play better. 24-26, that's when they shine these midfielders. Ando is hopefully on that step already. Too bad about his knee trouble.

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post Jan 27 2011, 01:44 PM

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Will Lindegaard get the chance to show his worth this weekend?
The timing seems right. The game on Sat, the announcement this week..
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post Jan 27 2011, 02:07 PM

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Gibson, Scholes, Fletcher

Nani, Giggs, Obertan

We don't have a lot of options going into the game. Giggs and Scholes surely won't play with the Villa game coming next Tuesday. Park can't come back soon enough.
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post Jan 27 2011, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jan 27 2011, 01:53 PM)
I hope he does. Really want to see him in action.

BTW Wan, do you still have MUTV? How is it? Worth to subscribe or not?

Rafael out for 2 weeks.
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MUTV? Have to subscribe right? What channel is it on? Might check later.
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post Jan 27 2011, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jan 27 2011, 05:24 PM)
17* i think. I rarely switch on the IPTV box. I thought, you being the early birds of Unifi subscribers, would know? tongue.gif

I think, live matches aren't shown thru MUTV right? reserves' and academy's are broadcasted live on the channel.

Maybe Newbie knows?
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RM9 per month. Wonder if can unsubscribe later on.
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laugh.gif wonder what happened there.

Anyways, he's lined up to be one of the pundits on sky?
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post Jan 27 2011, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin871989 @ Jan 27 2011, 07:36 PM)
thats a very difficult one to call for
no, earlier as in before he left juve to join fulham.


Added on January 27, 2011, 7:37 pmif he were to join us back then before he moved to fulham, he would've spent a decade with us till now
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Well, that time we already had Barthez. We spent 8m on him and he was very good in his first season. Next season VDS join Fulham. So kinda hard for us to make any kind of moves with Barthez already with us.
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VDS, Gary
and maybe Scholes.
Giggs will have another season but it won't be any long now.

All of them are still important for us right now, minus Gary. Time flies.


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post Jan 27 2011, 09:35 PM

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So the coaching staff still leave us guessing what happens after VDS..
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Not surprised the cry babies thinks the world is against them. biggrin.gif
SAF was likely asked about Adams since we just played against them where he did well in the first half spraying balls all over the field not to mention his set piece delivery was top notch. What was SAF suppose to say that time? Oh, I don't want to upset those children that supports Liverpool so I won't comment ever about Adams.

Boo hoo.
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On signing another goalkeeper in the summer: SAF - "We're okay at the moment, we're fine."
I wish they would just come out and say whether they think Lindegaard is the one or he's just a backup. Or that he's on trial for 5 months, if impress, he will get it.. or maybe only in the future they will consider him while we brought in an experience guy to take over from VDS for a couple of seasons.

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