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mikimoto
post Jun 26 2012, 02:00 PM

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Hi guys, any take on xz-1 compare to oly e-pm1? Latter with standard kit 14-42mm price around RM1500 now, but aperture starts at 3.5 compare to xz-1 1.8, again m43 bigger sensor should able to deliver better result in higher iso.

Thinking of upgrading my current pana lx3, can't decide whic to go for. i got another dslr but most of time i'm with compact due to easy carry...
mikimoto
post Jun 27 2012, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 26 2012, 02:47 PM)
Obviously I chose the XZ-1 for "pocketability".

The E-PM1 will be better on wide end of the zoom and about the same at the long end of the zoom.

And you can't pocket it. The body is about same size as the XZ-1... as slippery too but the lens is thick so end up still take up quite a bit of space.
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if e-pm1 fit with a pancake lens then it will be pocketable. tried before handling not top notch but with 14-42mm lens it's quite easy to be hold on my big hands.

Since its sensor is way larger I thought it's easier to create bokeh effect & possibly cleaner pics at higher iso.

just wonder if video capacibities should put in consideration as well, I heard xz-1 video not as good as claimed.
mikimoto
post Jun 27 2012, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(pengster @ Jun 27 2012, 12:40 AM)
It'll definitely be cleaner at higher ISO with the EPM-1. The XZ-1 is good up to ISO400 at best. And you're right, the video mode on the XZ-1 is a joke. Don't even bother with it. Nowhere near 720p quality.  sweat.gif
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Right on spot, pics frm my lx3 are kinda bad under low light especially dinner & gathering, notice iso1600 at its best for these occasions, so trying to ask sifus here if m43 better choice than xz-1 smile.gif

mikimoto
post Jun 27 2012, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 27 2012, 12:59 AM)
IMO,
On size... for me, size of most mirrorless camera also ok di but problem is thickness.

The thinnest m43 pancake lens is the 14mm panny which is ~20mm thick.

E-PM1 is ~8mm thinner than the XZ-1 so even with the thinnest pancake prime... it's still about 1cm thicker than the XZ-1.

I feel the XZ-1 is already bordering on the maximum thickness I can fit into my pant pocket (still bulging like hell).

Video wise....the XZ-1 video mode sarks balls. Period.

Check out the vid samples for the E-PM1 on vimeo/youtube or various review sites la... I think its still smudged and with artifact... I think Iphone vid also better (in fact, I use the XZ-1 as my everywhere camera but when vid is needed.... still use Iphone)  tongue.gif

Oly vid (OM-D aside) still lacks behind Panasonic and Sony.

Somewhere in this thread (I think)... I posted about the dof comparison between XZ-1 sensor size/lens speed combo vs various others including m43. If strictly only using the kit zoom, XZ-1 has a more shallower dof.

Noise wise.... yes... XZ-1 sensor is noisy but this is counter-balanced by its very bright lens. You'll have to get fast primes on m43's to beat the XZ-1 for low light.

Some night time snapshots during my late night jalan jalan session with the XZ-1


Added on June 27, 2012, 1:02 am

m43 with 12mp is only about <2 stop better niah. My beef is not so much so high ISO (at least the detail retention is good here) but more of low ISO noise and the shadows/DR
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Nice pics! thumbup.gif jpeg straight frm xz-1 or edited?

Think you are right, any premium compacts are barely pocketable except canon S series, but again handling suffer, hard to strike a balance...

Video features on camera mostly gimmicks, i saw oly video before, not sure how they categorized it as 720p also, but when i consider m43 with compact, some obvious advantage for me is premium compact can do macro, marginally smaller compare kit lens & fast lens. The m43 counter back with cleaner iso, better DOF (seems this is not true compre with xz-1) and better DR.

How's DR for xz-1?

When i shoot under bright sun especially msia with lx3 often i get a lot of clipped highlights, or when situation i shoot ppl under backlit without flash, found dslr tend to have better exposure for subject not too dim & background not too over bright... nod.gif
mikimoto
post Jun 28 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 27 2012, 05:31 PM)
I shoot RAW and convert via Lightroom with a preset for masking, some sharpening and noise reduction for most photos.

DR is the same between all the m43's (except OM-D and GH2) and the XZ-1 = not that brilliant.

Good DR have to go NEX-5N di.
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No wonder, coz from review xz-1 jpeg seems not so clean & sharp, street shooting at night mostly end up harsh pics coz aggresive NR smear a lot of details sad.gif

Me not familiar with post processing and most time prefer jpeg, wonder why compact always don't have good jpeg, by tradition i remember oly got better jpeg engine than panasonic...

NEX-5N totally out of range, that kind of price range almost breaching FF DSLR... cry.gif


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post Jun 28 2012, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 28 2012, 12:11 PM)
FF DSLR where got so cheap tongue.gif

Anyway... you're right. By tradition... most compact cameras got heavy noise reduction.

That's cos it caters for the mass consumer market and...Girls like heavy noise reduction for smooth skin. That's a selling point tongue.gif

Average joe used to compacts not that particular about details but cringes at the slightest noise.

Truth to be said, at least Oly don't do like Sony who happens to think ISO1600 (that's what the auto mode does) is perfectly useable on a tiny sensor HX9V.

If you're not familiar with post processing... you can just shoot jpeg+raw. For those shots that you wanna keep but think the NR is too heavy... just run the raw through the bundled software...select the image... go to the RAW tab... change to no noise reduction = Win.

HAhahahaha..
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hehe, rumours that cheap FF body is coming, i mix up 5n with 7n, that day saw in sony retail, quite surprice 7n retail RM4999 sweat.gif

you are right, no wonder girls like to use camera phone + instagram to shoot, sometimes "reality" hurts sweat.gif

I think sony assume average user for consumer cameras prefer grainy pics than blurry pics, at least at small print of looking at lcd are good enough. Even got girl friends last time claimed oly ep image is bad as the lcd had low resolutions... doh.gif

Mind to tell which preset you use in LR? I think you pics contrast & sharpening is quite nice, now a lot of camera can choose lower NR, shoot raw is not bad too but continuous shoots suffer a bit as memory card slow & file size slightly bigger..


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post Jun 29 2012, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 28 2012, 04:13 PM)
Most pics by default I'll raise the exposure compensation from +1/3 to secukup rasa. I find that helps with the shadows though have to avoid the skies la. If got sky.. then see histogram and shoot.

Go home run the RAW through Lightroom via a preset I saved with following (if remembered correctly.. using office notebook now)

- Standard profile.
- Sharpening amount --> 30
- Sharpening radius --> 1.4
- Sharpening masking --> 36
- Noise reduction Luminance --> 12

Most of the time... that'll do though for some pics require additional cooking. Maybe add some fill light and play with the curves a bit.
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notworthy.gif thanks for the altruistic sharing notworthy.gif

i don't have raw with me now, even can't find a jpeg for night shot coz often i ditch all as really awkward from my lx3 icon_question.gif

just a test with jpeg using settings you suggest, seems really help with the shadows rclxm9.gif lx3 default i always put +1/3 stop as always underexpose shakehead.gif

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