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TSdicksonbell
post Jan 15 2011, 09:22 PM

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Leaked-Beta version
Official of course better than Beta for sure...
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post Jan 16 2011, 06:11 PM

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Just migrate to blackberry 9300 3G and upgrade it to this new OS6 immediately after opening the box.
Downloaded the upgrade from internet and done it via usb cable.
All no problemo!
TSdicksonbell
post Jan 16 2011, 07:14 PM

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Welcome and enjoy your BlackBerry...
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post Jan 16 2011, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(dicksonbell @ Jan 16 2011, 07:14 PM)
Welcome and enjoy your BlackBerry...
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Thanks, it has been whole day till now, learning how/wat apps to install and how to use this phone and the apps.
Damn! The learning curve is very steep! cry.gif
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post Jan 16 2011, 07:59 PM

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Slowly you will understand and become pro.. Do read more here in this forum to gain more knowledge...
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post Jan 16 2011, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(dicksonbell @ Jan 16 2011, 07:59 PM)
Slowly you will understand and become pro.. Do read more here in this forum to gain more knowledge...
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Thanks for the valuable support and encouragement but this forum is a mess!
See my gripe below.
QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jan 16 2011, 11:47 AM)
All sifu or the mod that takes care of this blackberry section:
There are many many gems contributed by blackberry user but how come the valuable info are not move to the 1st post as FAQ?
By doing so it would prevent noobie like me from asking the same question again and again.
Yes there is a search function for thread but... sweat.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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post Jan 16 2011, 08:10 PM

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Because they are not getting pay and they dont care much on this...
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post Jan 16 2011, 11:10 PM

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1. why is my email setup keeps popping up randomly - tis been goin on since day one btw
2. something weird today - i was halfway responding to a sms - then before sending i put phone in my pocket, later when i bring out the phone, the phone just not responding seems like off - tried power on but cannot - i pop out the batt and finally phone reboot ok - later phone reboots again yikes! - snow o far ok

on OS6 418 btw
TSdicksonbell
post Jan 17 2011, 02:57 AM

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Upgrade your OS to v6.0.0.424 if you want to use Hybrid...
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post Jan 18 2011, 03:35 PM

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ok upgraded to 424 yesterday

still having this random email settings popping out out of the blue thingy - maybe something wrong with one of my email account i dunno
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post Jan 18 2011, 06:08 PM

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Delete the effected email then do a battery pull after that reinstall again... See the prob still there or not?
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post Jan 19 2011, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(dicksonbell @ Jan 17 2011, 02:57 AM)
Upgrade your OS to v6.0.0.424 if you want to use Hybrid...
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Bro, what is Hybrid? And why would I wan hybrid?
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post Jan 19 2011, 03:13 PM

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What you need to know before installing a hybrid:

Lately it seems that hybrid OSes have become popular faster than an understanding of what a hybrid is and how it works. While the spread of hybrid OSes is a good thing, the spread of knowledge is even better. In order to acknowledge this, I am writing this beginners tutorial regarding what a hybrid is, how it works. This instruction is limited by my own basic and restricted knowledge, and hampered by my lack of formal hybrid training. As with any hybrid, this instruction will undoubtedly contain errors. That being said...

Some basics regarding the BlackBerry OS:
Basically, BBOS has two parts: a .sfi file, and several hundred .cod files.
The .sfi file is more commonly known as the radio file, or the base. The .sfi is the most important part of the BBOS. Think of it as the foundation of the entire operating system; if the foundational .sfi is buggy, cracked, etc., then nothing that is built on it is going to be perfect. Most major changes between OSes are a result of the .sfi - for example, the differences between OS5 and OS6 are almost exclusively controlled by the .sfi. Every phone and every RIM OS has a different .sfi.
The .cods determine smaller, less integral parts of the BBOS. For example, net_rim_bb_tasks is for the tasks app; net_rim_bb_btfiletransfer controls transferring files over bluetooth (both of these examples are off the top of my head, but I think they're actual BBOS .cods). Think of the .cods as the house built on the foundation. Some .cods have dependences on other .cods, and will not work properly if other .cods are removed. Using the house example, if you break or remove your gas line your stove won't work (no jokes about electric stoves please). A well known example of this in BBOS is that if you remove Voice Activated Dialing, the about screen will not work.

Getting the .sfi and .cod files onto your BlackBerry:
RIM has created software to place the .sfi and .cods onto the BlackBerry device. The most popular among hybriders is Loader.exe, usually referred to as AppLoader. Loader.exe is found in c:/Program Files/Common Files/Research In Motion/App Loader on a windows 32bit PC. The location is :\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Research In Motion\Shared\Loader Files\*os name and release number*\Java (thanks to mikeplus1 for that) on 64bit systems, and I have no idea where it is on a mac. Loader.exe determines what files to install by reading an .alx file. .Alx files can also be used to install BlackBerry apps. Another type of file, the .jad file, is similar to the .alx but is not used in the OS installation.
Programs like BBSAK launch loader.exe to install the actual hybrid. As of now, loader.exe is the number one tool for hybrid installation.

A bit about hybrids:
First, hybrids rarely do anything with the .sfi file. As the .sfi is a single file, it cannot (as far as I know) be edited or improved. And to be honest, I trust RIM to improve the .sfi more than any hybrider. In rare occasions, a hybrid will contain a .sfi; an example of this is the .sfi from 9650 OS 6.0.0.398, which until recently was held exclusively by RIM testers, hackers, and certain hybriders who required payment of a VIP fee for access to it. Because 6.0.0.398 is still in the exclusive control of these individuals at this time, the released .sfi file from that build is included in some hybrids. This is an exception to the rule; for the most part, a hybrid will instruct you to install a certain BBOS before installing the hybrid. The installation of the hybrid will not do anything to the .sfi file.
Hybrid OSes usually attempt to improve performance by replacing .cod files. Hybrid makers usually replace specific files which are dependent on each other (much like renovating a kitchen in a home) with .cods from a newer BBOS. In general it seems that hybrid makers tend to attempt to use files from the newest available OS, under the assumption that RIM fixes bugs as time passes. This assumption usually proves to be correct.
Because a hybrid cannot usually improve upon the .sfi file, it is unlikely to see any truly remarkable change from a hybrid. Most hybrids aim for some combination of improved signal, improved battery life, faster/smoother internet browsing, and an overall smoother OS experience. Small bugs may also be fixed by a hybrid, and small UI changes may take place. Sometimes a hybrid does all of these things, and sometimes they fail miserably.

Installing a hybrid:
Ultimately most hybrids only replace some .cod files from an official OS with .cods from a different OS, and perhaps modify the .alxs which tell the loader.exe what to install. Running a hybrid installer overwrites files with the hybrid files. Hybrids are usually installed into c:/program files/common files/research in motion/shared/loader files/*os name and release number*/. The .cod files are located in the Java folder in this location. Again, this location is slightly different in 64bit versions of windows.
Before installing, always delete the vendor file if you're using a base os from a carrier other than your own.
Always use the loader.exe to install it - BlackBerry Desktop Software is not a preferred hybrid install choice. The actual installation is quite simple - launch loader.exe and let it do it's thing. After you first install your hybrid, you will see those arrows in the top right going crazy. Your BlackBerry has to go through a lot of work to get everything organized. Do several battery pulls in the first 12 hours, and expect a 24-48 hour "settling" period.

Some final words about hybrids:
Often after a hybrid install your BBM groups won't load properly (anyone in a BBM group with me is unfortunately very much aware of this fact). This is not the fault of the hybrid, but rather a result of BIS not working properly. It happens more often to some than to others. To get your groups back, just ask your group members to add you back.
Another note on BBM groups is that restoring Groups is hard on the batteries of everyone in the group. I suspect RIM set it up this way to reduce strain on their servers.
Finally, never forget that you or the hybrid builder owns nothing in regards to the hybrid. The .cods and .sfi belong to Research In Motion regardless of any effort and time the builder put into making them. Further, it is likely that the building and installing (and most definitely the selling) of hybrids is impermissible under RIM's terms of use. No proprietary rights exist in a hybrid other than those owned by RIM.


Hopefully this will help people to understand what a hybrid OS is and some of the basics on how it works. The best way to truly learn about hybrids is to mess around with the .cod files yourself. Doing so will help you to better understand the BBOS, make you better at understanding hybrids, and allow you to perhaps solve minor problems in any hybrids you install.

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post Jan 19 2011, 04:29 PM

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i upgraded to OS 6... but it seems like there are some bugs when i select the network options and scroll down the the blue highlight goes missing most of the time
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post Jan 19 2011, 04:30 PM

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Do more battery pull...
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post Jan 19 2011, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(dicksonbell @ Jan 19 2011, 03:13 PM)
Hopefully this will help people to understand what a hybrid OS is and some of the basics on how it works. The best way to truly learn about hybrids is to mess around with the .cod files yourself. Doing so will help you to better understand the BBOS, make you better at understanding hybrids, and allow you to perhaps solve minor problems in any hybrids you install.
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Thanks bro, but I'm stump with all the technical jargon and abbreviations. I guess hybrid is not for me. sad.gif
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QUOTE(mycelco @ Jan 19 2011, 04:29 PM)
i upgraded to OS 6... but it seems like there are some bugs when i select the network options and scroll down the the blue highlight goes missing most of the time
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my having the same . I think waiting for them to release another version. pull battery only solve one or two times , then afterthat it come back ..
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QUOTE(mycelco @ Jan 19 2011, 04:29 PM)
i upgraded to OS 6... but it seems like there are some bugs when i select the network options and scroll down the the blue highlight goes missing most of the time
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theres alway an issue on the cursor in os 6
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post Jan 19 2011, 06:31 PM

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Press "aA" your cursor will pop out... For now have to adpot this way first.. This prob only happenes to OS6 non touchscreen BlackBerry...
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post Jan 22 2011, 01:02 PM

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May I know whether I can connect to WIFI without BIS?
Would it be any data charge?

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