Dear all forumer,

Anyone bought or using the New Alpha Smart series instant water heater? Any comment? Good? How about the price? Just saw their advertisement. i m planning to buy 3 units with pump (model: 18EP)

My budget is within RM1200.

Pls comment.

Many Thanks!

any link? google it but cant find it. Browse though alpha's website, cant find 18EP also. Why not joven 70p? it comes with silent pump, inverter, and in mould casing

zheilwane,

how much is this joven then? thx.

Found a write up on this Joven new model by Creative, have a click here if u wanna know more about it

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?flyingspa...168189113223007

Promotion
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1551315






This post has been edited by zheilwane: Apr 28 2011, 07:26 AM

http://www.alphamalaysia.com/support_dl/In.../18EPmanual.pdf

Just got the quotation from a shop at puchong, the water heater with pump(18EP) is RM500++ and without pump is RM300++

Sigh, out of my budget.

http://www.alphamalaysia.com/

Not bad eh...got this revolutionary safety device. Worth the money. I think I am going to buy 2.

Looks good too.

just bought 1 few week ago.. with pump very noisy.. somemore causing RM500++ and the salesperson saying the heater is silence one.. and new one.. just release.. the noise sound is loud like i m cutting a tree from my house.. feel like being cheated.. and when they had send 2 alpha guys to check on it.. and they say is NORMAL!!! i am going to call the alpha service centre today.. if they are not giving me a good reply.. i m going to post the video of the heater and complaint to consumer department already..

there is one thing u can try, do you have a water control at the heater? usually it is used as a filter to protect the heater. If u remove that and connect the pipe directly to the heater, your pressure will b much stronger and noise will be quieter.

hrm.. the water control already put at max level.. or are u suggest that to remove it completely? i really wish the noise can be reduce... kind of heart pain seeing the product is not up to our expectation after spending so much.. being mislead by the sales person.. Alpha technician saying the silence model will only release in Mar 2011..

Yes remove it completely. It can be done by twisting it with ur hand. So, u can test whether it works or not.
Just buy joven i70p, no nd 2 wait til march

Too bad!! nice looking really not good to use loh. Since still under warranty then must ask them to solve it!!

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Added on January 18, 2011, 11:39 amCan you PM me the price without pump? need 3 unit. TQ!

This post has been edited by yeeh: Jan 18 2011, 11:39 AM

My only comment on Joven i70 is i have to really turn the knob to at least 6 to have a feel of 'hot shower' for my children during evening time.. maybe water reserve in the tangki is too cold to get it heat up?

Where did you buy it? I bought 2 already but I was told that silent pump for Smart heater not out yet and it was true as I check with Alpha. I think the electrical shop sales man sold you the product without understanding it or he did not bother to do homework. Just for the sake of selling... sigh lousy sales person

I'm currently using a Joven heater, and planning to buy another one. So far, i'm very satisfied with it.

Even the government prefers Joven waterheaters for its staff residential homes.

This post has been edited by normal_user: Jan 21 2011, 01:29 AM

I plan to get the alpha smart 18. The pump very noisy? They quato me rm 560 for this. Some people said. The bee best dc pump is more silent and powerfull than this alpha smart 18. Any advise here?

lolz, i saw alpha, love the design, but someone con me and made me buy joven instead lolz..havent install it as yet, will tell u once it is up

the person who conned u must have a very innocent face haha.

Actually i do agree alpha's design is better bt not sure whether the performance better than Joven I70P. We will know soon since y4ng is going to install his heater soon.

how about beebest product?
beebest inspire with pump...
any comment about this product?

Wanted to get alpha but after reading this thread, might consider to get Joven. Some of my friends are using i70P and they say it is good. Any forumers using it?

Joven has been very long in the market, good and durable. I also heard many customers asking for Alpha smart, RM 500+ for a normal pump, what a waste of money. Joven I70P is RM 500+ with inverter and SILENT pump. How silent it is, we will need wait for y4ng's feedback.

so how much is the price compare to the Smart.?
can someone PM me?

im using alpha 800EP. So far no problem and the pump are acceptable.

Mine is the opposite, i usually use it at 1, the most i've gone (cold midnight) is 3-4

Maybe my water pressure is low..

The Inverter thugs, is only on the pump right?

DC pump heater is always quieter than AC pump heater

To give you a clear understanding:

DC pump = low dB, less water power, 5 years warranty

AC pump = high dB, high water power, 1 year warranty

panasonic DC pump heater is just Rm400++, i am wondering if it is the cheapest DC pump heater in the market.

Hi i saw a new model of this today comes with a 5" rain shower. How is it Any good? Think it can giv a good rain shower with the pressure? Read yhe manual it says min water flow is around 3L/min

I juz bought one with the rain shower.
Free trolley also.. RM675..
Will install after done with house reno.
Maybe post a short review after that. (end of August)

I m thinking how to solve the water heater pipe problem now but i think i need to use 8" flexible hose.

This post has been edited by wrb7878: Jul 23 2011, 10:54 PM


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cant wait for your review.... 675 is a good price yo

i'd used joven in my old apartment. consider ok lah. pump noise is noticable but not cutting tree lah. good thing about joven is, i encountered some problem with the valve previously and luckily joven carries spare parts but i need to go all the way to shah alam near kota kemuning to buy the parts. so in terms of maintenance and spare parts, joven can take care of it.
in my current home, i'm using panasonic. i think noise is comparable to my previous joven pump heater. but pressure wise i think joven wins.
in my next house, i'm thinking solar heater + grundfus pump!

Hi bro, which model of Panasonic water heater u using now which has noise comparable to joven one? Mind to share? I'm considering Pana water heater ~ But havent decide which model to use. Thanks

Solar + Grundfos Pump, good decision ahah. Rmb to PM me when u wanna purchase them

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 25 2011, 12:02 AM

any1 bought the new alpha smart Rain shower? How is the water pressure?

Actually many customers/forumers came to my shop and said
"Eh, joven good meh? U got sell alpha or not?". Since there are many customers asked the same question, i went to do some survey and here is my conclusion.

Joven + Cabana Rain Shower (Promotion Price RM 788)
Vs Alpha Smart Rain Shower.

1) Joven is using DC pump which is a silent pump and more durable. Alpha is using ordinary AC pump that runs on carbon and will need to add carbon after a few years. DC pump is more durable than AC pump

2) Joven comes with inverter pump & alpha just normal pump.

3) Joven is using in-mould casing technology. Alpha using normal paint spray and paint might come off or bcome lighter after a few years.

4) Cabana Rain Shower is 8" while alpha smart 5" only.

5) Design wise, Alpha's heater looks better than Joven but Cabana Rain shower is better than Alpha's rain shower.

This is the info that i got. So, you all decide which is a better buy.

To view the cabana rain shower set, you can add me in facebook and view it in my promotion album (only members can view)

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?flyingspa...100001245528914

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jul 29 2011, 10:48 PM

788 for one bathroom. 2 rooms will be about 1600, thats equal to groundfos installation oredi, can cater for 2 rooms.

But is the joven combo provide enough pressure ?

it is different. If u r buying Grundfos the cost would be:
1 x Grundfos Pump
2 x Joven Heater I70e
2 x Cabana Rain shower

Total = RM 2,400

That includes installation?

By the way, how economic is the Joven water heater 170e in terms of electric consumption?

cabana is abs shower head right?
what if i want something like joven + brass head shower set? any pricing and picture to show such combo?
is the joven i70e a new and good model? from what i know the joven is rm400+. so the cabana set is another 300+??
which one better? abs or brass?
thanks.

Joven, Alpha, Panasonic and etc all use 3.6kW. To be frank, electrical consumption is about the same. If u really wanna save on electricity is to invest on solar water heater.

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Added on August 1, 2011, 8:54 pmYes, the cabana shower head is ABS. The promo is in my facebook, jus join to have a look.

Brass is definitely better than ABS but for normal use, ABS is good enough. My showroom Grundfos Demo is UNI E CH 4-50 and I am using an ABS rain shower for demo, still working perfectly.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Aug 1 2011, 08:54 PM

Whether u u guys choose Joven or Alpha, I thi k it's anytime way2 better than my stupid Fagor, low pressure n sounded like cutting a huge tree trunk after a year.

for one year only? thatz too fast. Usually it will take averagely 5 years or fast 3 years for the carbon of the pump to run out and it will get louder and louder.

Joven I70P is a DC pump and does not have carbon, will last longer and silent

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Aug 1 2011, 09:23 PM

what time you open and how to get to your place. looking for water heater and maybe the cabana if you give a promo price

I had a Joven instant water heater before. Used for many years in my hostel before going kaput. Replaced it 3 years ago with another Joven with pump.
My mom has been using Alpha with pump for many years. My overall impression is that Joven kinda feel more solid, especially the old model. But overall, these instant water heater performance will deteriorate over time especially when lime accumulates inside the water heater narrow pipes.
Water pressure will deteriorate over time.

This post has been edited by phoenix69: Sep 1 2011, 11:45 AM

We open from mon - sat, 9am - 6pm. But 2day may b til 3pm only

Aikkks, headache...which brand to buy.
Alpha, Pana vs joven.....

Joven...

Hmmmm....good review for joven i70p indeed

how abt beebest? model with silent dc pump?

Joven's pump some made in japan, some in Itay while the other electrical parts made in Malaysia. Alpha is made in China, not sure about beebest

Sure Bo, I tot all made in china now.
U give better offer, then no need to think
too hard

U mean that one got rain shower only 500++?

I got question...

I already bought Joven i70P. But i wanna use big shower cabana style . But the problem is my bathroom only have one output for shower.

I want use both cause i dont like using shower heater cause the shower so small. Shower heater only for my kids.

Im thinking to modified the output from the wall with extra output. but it may look ugly . . Pls advise...

THe cabana rain shower has both Rain shower & hand Shower. Just install the I70P heater and connect it to the cabana rain shower instead of the Joven Hand shower. Cabana set has a divertor to select either rain shower or hand shower.

Cabana set + Joven I70P = Best combination for me yet nice offer from zheilwane, .

These are what I unloaded from my Tiny car after reach home, woops, zheilwane, luckily my small car can fit all or else u need to follow me d hahahaha

joven inverter?using less electric? Can we replace carbon in the old heater? If alpha heater expose sunlight become yellow.will joven turn color as mine is installed near window where sunlight shine in?

Joven I70 series is using In-Mould Casing technology which is first in the world, the colour will last longer.

To be honest, the inverter is for the built in pump, so not really much saving but better than nothing.

what is the different between i70 series and 880 series?

I70P = Silent Pump
880P = Normal Pump like Alpha

one shop in puchong selling
Alpha smart series w/o pump with rain shower for RM511.2
Alpha smart series w/o pump w/o rain shower for RM394

cant remember the price with pump cause i already bought the grundfos pump from Zean..hahaha

still cannot decide to get alpha or joven.
cause now i'm not getting the water heater with pump..so the AC DC pump issue is out of the picture....

Getting Joven I70P with Zean next week.

My family been using this model for 1 year already, so far everything is perfect and of coz silent is the reason I choose it.

Alpha kinda noisy... T_T

U have to make sure that you are using a DC pump heater or AC pump heater.

As discussed before :

DC pump - quieter
AC pump - noisier

The cheapest DC pump heater (so far I believe and not to forget the SAFEST Instant water heater) in the market is Panasonic, just Rm400++

Joven, alpha, beebest, electrolux...etc can match that price not? Errmmm....quite difficult

National aka Panasonic is the first who came out instant water heater in this market. If u have a chance to see its interior structure, you can understand why panasonic doesnt spend a money to advertise its heater product and yet able to get huge consumer group.

Sometimes it is not about price. Sometimes it is design and other factor. Many people bought alpha smart bcoz of the design though it is quite expensive for an AC pump (noisy). Have to agree that alpha has better design hahaha lost a lot of customer bcoz of alpha.

Didnt survey much on Panasonic but i notice some of the models have a hand shower like microphone, you will have very little volume of water... how to shower? Another thing not sure it has other colour but white will definitely turn yellowish after some time.

Joven on the other hand, has a normal round shower but u could also upgrade it with my Cabana Shower Set to get rain shower. The heater comes with in-mould casing (first in the world), the color will last longer.

This is how silent Joven I70P

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Added on October 29, 2011, 8:43 amThanks, it is true that alpha is noisy as they does not have heater with AC pump yet.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Oct 29 2011, 08:43 AM

panasonic heater has entry, mid and deluxe range.

if the customers worried about the colour fading, they can choose the deluxe model which is metallic silver series. the panasonic DC jet pump deluxe heater is still below RM500, its shower head is the multiple-way round type,

the microphone-like shower head model targets budget group.

consumers here are mostly influenced by the advertisement and hence the heater selection is normally local established brands.

for a better understanding on the company background, joven <-> alpha <-> beebest = saudara-mara company as many dealers know the story.

well, alpha is going to launch the DC pump heater, the price is almost RM600.

Yes, i am using Alpha 18EP.
I bought it because design (look like turtle shell) and good pump.
Price slightly higher but i have been using Alpha since 10yrs+ ago.
At 1st i find the pump very noisy.
But nowadays will feel lonely without the sound when i shower.
Also, my mind tell me that other people outside cant hear that i am singing while i take shower.

Not many people talk about Centon. Been using this for many years. Last year change another unit after so many years if use.

I saw Alpha new Rainshower series with Inverter DC Pump call Smart 18i.
Any feedback for this model?

I interested to buy this model also. Any comment ?

Any feedback for the Alpha new Rainshower Smart 18i series?

what is the difference between cabana rain shower provided by zheilwane and the rain shower of alpha Smart 18i? which one better?

I bought my cabana from zheilwane, cabana + joven i70P i felt worth for money than alpha smart 18i .

Because after read the post below for the smart 18i

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=39289355

I went to local shop to see the smart 18i, it seems that the shower head is smaller than the cabana one, zheilwane, is this correct?

You also can refer to the post below in which zheilwane made a comparison in between of them

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=44212106

This post has been edited by leeyung: Nov 24 2011, 12:08 PM

From the comparison between them,
Zheilwane said that alpha is using AC pump but Alpha smart 18i seems like using DC pump and inverter type too..

where u see the info about DC + inverter? mind to share it over here ?

maybe I am wrong...

Alpha smart 18i is DC inverter pump model.

Alpha smart 18EP is AC pump model.

This post has been edited by iamsobloodysick: Nov 25 2011, 12:58 PM

Alpha just launch their DC pump, i think about 1month ago

Icic, no wonder macam never c before, btw, u knw the price? But I still loyal to joven

Alpha 18i official launched on last Saturday 19/11 night at Genting ...................

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Added on November 24, 2011, 11:17 pmI just order an Alpha 18i last Sunday but haven't get the stock yet......hope it can give me a good effect.........

This post has been edited by cenglee: Nov 24 2011, 11:17 PM

so how much you got for the offer? Waiting for your feedback on the performance, haha seems like you are the very first 18i owner

RM698

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Added on November 24, 2011, 11:30 pmActually, I looking for 18EP but finally i found that Alpha just launched a new model with DC pump. So, I've changed my mind to change to 18i since comment for AC pump is not so good..........

This post has been edited by cenglee: Nov 24 2011, 11:30 PM

hmmm....i am considering to buy alpha smart 18i with rainshower for my master bathroom...

so, hope can see more feedback here..

thanks~

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Added on November 25, 2011, 9:59 amYou bought smart 18i with rainshower RM698? where you bought? got free cabin trolley bag?

This post has been edited by tiensong: Nov 25 2011, 09:59 AM

alpha smart 18i DC inverter pump heater is selling like a hotcake now.

it is quiet and smooth operation.

free a nice quality trolley luggage

for best deal, kindly pm me

Yes, there is a free trolley bag............i bought from my friend

I am looking for shower heater and I am interested in the new alpha smart 18i rain shower. But I am leaning towards Panasonic brand, so I need some +ve reviews from fellow forumers on the smart 18i rain shower to boost my buying confidence.

Mines one just installed last 2 days. I've tested and quiet, quite satisfied.

guys, im sure you have read the yestrday newspaper..
shop owner electrocuted while taking shower..
anybody knows which brand that he using?

wow, again? Now u know why ppl go for solar water heaters

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Added on December 24, 2011, 2:24 amHere is the news
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...on/10149552&

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Dec 24 2011, 02:24 AM

Solar heater no use electricity?

It does not require electricity to function,
although there is a back up built in heater that uses electricity (only if you switch it on) in case malaysia suddenly has no sunlight for more than 4 days.

It still dangerous as long as it require electric. Unless totally free from electric. And this heater backup got safety elcb like instant heater or not?

scary bro any one know what brand is that?

Aiyo like that, you just cut off the wayar lor. Still can function.

so it is quite a moment after this alpha series released, so any feedback about this model? like

1)efficiency of water pump
2)heating element vs water pressure
3)noise level

Don't neglet the safety too.

haha, correct assuming all have the same safety level

My brother in-law share with me he recently brought Aplha water heater S100 at Rm300nett (without pump) and S300 at Rm400.00nett (with pump)

is it cheap or just normal ?

what is the current price of alpha 18ep rainshower?

so still nobody posted the video of the new dc interver alpha water heater with rain shower ???