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 The next USB DAC, come on guys let's guess it!, Powerful DAC in small size!

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TSchchyong89
post Dec 17 2010, 11:22 AM, updated 15y ago

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Very first, because this is discussion thread
*I am not promoting.
*I will not talk about pricing here. tongue.gif
*Anything not related to discussion can be done on PM.
wub.gif

Before reading up, keep your eyes on the photo First!

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Here are some leak prototype photos for the next High_performance@Low_cost mini DAC that will bring for everyone, and now
with coaxial input output! The performance would be AT LEAST tripled of PCM270X families. For PCM2704/ordance/GoVibe
users, don't be upset because PCM270X family are still a very great performer because it has very good BB sound signature.
It's better for every pre-owner to keep it than resell it if you like this hobby! wub.gif

Before i bullshitting too much here. come on guys let's
guess what is the DAC used in this mini size dac?!
TIPs, a 14soic IC!! wub.gif




p.s. It's still a naked one because i wan you to get your hand dirty into this hobby! tongue.gif

This post has been edited by chchyong89: Dec 19 2010, 12:46 AM
TSchchyong89
post Dec 17 2010, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(santik @ Dec 17 2010, 11:33 AM)
will you be ordering this later?
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Yes, there will be only one reseller in the world, for this moment, only me. tongue.gif
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post Dec 17 2010, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(santik @ Dec 17 2010, 11:37 AM)
I uses some kind of Wolfson chip?
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tongue.gif guess it

QUOTE(i_djoel2000 @ Dec 17 2010, 11:40 AM)
is that blackgate caps?
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Nope, i will not use blackgates on it. A blackgate caps
is more expensive than this dac, so it don't worth the
price. tongue.gif But every parts is standard one as you can see.
(Take note, this is not commercialize product, so the selling price will be verrrry tongue.gif )
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post Dec 17 2010, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Dec 17 2010, 11:47 AM)
Cirrus??? Triple means.... 48khz to 192khz hehe
Great product, may be my next upgrade again
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Rate remain but the SNR quality output wub.gif
*Guess the exact ic name tongue.gif

QUOTE(ssyycc @ Dec 17 2010, 11:47 AM)
There is nothing to upset with if you already have DAC even if it's lower performance than this and cost much expensive.
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How to say if same price or even cheaper tongue.gif

p.s. i mentioned "if"

QUOTE(xk2 @ Dec 17 2010, 11:47 AM)
Eh taiko , PCM1744 keh ? tongue.gif
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bukan, try again whistling.gif


QUOTE(power911 @ Dec 17 2010, 11:48 AM)
looks sexy XD
n clean biggrin.gif

btw what are those empty spaces for?
for us to mod/add stuff in it
or it's just extra space that is not required?
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Yeap, it's very small in size too! the empty space is previous
prototype version for boards checking with tries and different
attemps. There will be little bit different for final product. Cross
your finger now drool.gif

This post has been edited by chchyong89: Dec 17 2010, 12:08 PM
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post Dec 17 2010, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 17 2010, 12:27 PM)
Heyy.. I am interested in this also! brows.gif
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thumbup.gif come come jazzy, have some guess before the final product is
up for sale

QUOTE(i_djoel2000 @ Dec 17 2010, 12:31 PM)
i only see optical and coaxial input, where is the usb input as per title? wink.gif
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usb and coaxial laugh.gif

QUOTE(mengsuan @ Dec 17 2010, 12:35 PM)
The board has so many empty pads without components. Is this unfinished? Or user-upgradable? tongue.gif
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This is the prototype version. The place where components filled will be
only the final components that will used. The final product will not have
those empty pads. And the PCB will be in black glossy finished instead of
blue like the picture! sexy huh? tongue.gif

QUOTE(BCurve @ Dec 17 2010, 12:39 PM)
TI PCM2706 lah ....
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No, it won't be pcm270X familes. It's only taking the
I2S output from pcm2706 tongue.gif

This post has been edited by chchyong89: Dec 17 2010, 12:51 PM
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post Dec 17 2010, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Dec 17 2010, 11:15 PM)
yaloh, let people guess then forever no answer. alamak.
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lol.... where got forever tongue.gif

few of you already get the answer biggrin.gif
Here it is! --> WOLFSON

Don't so fast to judge you will getting it or not, once i announce the
price for it at garage sales, you will be itchy wub.gif

This post has been edited by chchyong89: Dec 17 2010, 11:39 PM
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post Dec 18 2010, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 17 2010, 11:56 PM)
Got prize ah chchyong? laugh.gif
Give us the early birds some 'special' discounts is good enough for me! Right, ssyycc?
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haha, no problem. For both jazzy and santik, both of you will getting RM15 discount! drool.gif

For the price, pls PM me, since it's not good to advertise here. wub.gif
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post Dec 18 2010, 02:54 AM

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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Dec 18 2010, 12:31 AM)
boy someone here is really desperate for a usb dac..... tongue.gif
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Stay tune for the final product's photo! brows.gif

For the spdif, i have no idea yet

QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 18 2010, 12:33 AM)
And who is that gabanyayaya? laugh.gif
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Your neighbor!:blush:

QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 18 2010, 01:17 AM)
This is MUCH better than the previous PCM2704 USB DAC you bringing. I like the idea PCM2706 convert USB to I2S, then feed to WM8501 which itself don't need any opamp.

Would be better if it have RCA out though.
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Yeap, pcm270X families is no way to catch up wm8501. rclxms.gif

There might be RCA output at the final product, who know tongue.gif

QUOTE(santik @ Dec 18 2010, 01:29 AM)
... eh, got prize...
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Yeap. you and jazzy got RM15 discount for this babe! biggrin.gif

QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Dec 18 2010, 01:30 AM)
just wondering can i2s data from the on board PCM2706 be hacked to another dac..???
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Yes, who know there will be i2s pins reserved on the pcb there to
make it more flexible for DIYer? I am just giving rumors thumbup.gif




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post Dec 18 2010, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(coolice @ Dec 18 2010, 06:49 AM)
pcm270x + wm8501, oh man, this is like gamma1 edi tongue.gif
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schem is lotsa different wub.gif
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post Dec 18 2010, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(coolice @ Dec 18 2010, 11:46 AM)
alot more worst right? tongue.gif
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who know this sound better brows.gif


QUOTE(santik @ Dec 18 2010, 11:00 AM)
roughly when the thing will be done?
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mid jan wub.gif

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post Dec 18 2010, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(santik @ Dec 18 2010, 01:53 PM)
Wolfson is good.
Burr Brown is another one...


Added on December 18, 2010, 2:09 pmeh... why don't use mini B USB? the ones that come with cameras...

that's is a much more common cable...

and the final product... it's black right? nice!

eh... roughly how big will it be? W X L ?
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The cables will be included for all of the dac. The size
is roughly 7x6cm. I haven't measure it yet. blush.gif



QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Dec 18 2010, 01:52 PM)
chchyong

better build one demo set first....set up a small TT and let someone who craving so much for this to come and witness its potential.....I know a very well suited place to host this session brows.gif .....
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a TT hmm.gif seem very interesting brows.gif
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post Dec 18 2010, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(coolice @ Dec 18 2010, 05:32 PM)
count me in if between 11-13 jan, I still have everything with me still biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Dec 18 2010, 05:55 PM)
chchyong89, better bribe me one unit tongue.gif otherwise I cheong sui your product.

I strive to be evil and all that.
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both of you are so scary sweat.gif
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post Dec 18 2010, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Dec 18 2010, 10:05 PM)
what would it be.... pcm 2707 ???
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pcm2706 biggrin.gif both i2s out from pcm2706/7 are same.
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post Dec 19 2010, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(Leolabs @ Dec 19 2010, 12:27 AM)
I don't see any other IC other than the PCM270x and the Wolfson DAC(minus the U1,possibly a DC-DC converter),so how you defined the coaxial 'input'??

Or is it a coaxial 'out' ??
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oops, my apologize in this, i was given a wrong informations on that, however it's optical
output. Thanks for corrected me from getting misunderstanding by others. My bad for
not double check what i typed at very first sweat.gif
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post Dec 21 2010, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 20 2010, 09:51 PM)
I see what you mean.. You don't have to drill themholes for a PCB stand..
I have plans for it too.. wink.gif

gabanyayaya, ya lor... too bad  tongue.gif
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16 or 24 is another thing, i am sure at this price you
pay, you hardly to get anything sound better! wub.gif
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post Dec 21 2010, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Dec 21 2010, 10:42 AM)
if it's tru using pcm2707/6 then it's impossible for 24bit data....16bit red book standard only...you need another converter with other type of chip

this might help you

http://www.audiophilleo.com/comparison.aspx
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Besides using a 24bits controller, Hardware up'sampling is possible after pcm2707/6 by using either AD1896/ SRC4192 or etc. It's
unlike the software oversampling which is totally useless, hardware upsampling make sense but i don't intend to do so, because it's
cost is not cheap. I thinking to make it in the near future with PCM1792/AD1955 with src4192. But the cost will be triply or more
compare with current this one. sweat.gif

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post Dec 21 2010, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 21 2010, 04:31 PM)
chchyong,
I think the price is justified for the DAC. Any more enhancements or features will serious jack up the prices.. and that I do not want, as I already have two commercial DACs to play with.
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ya, i got your points d thumbup.gif Thanks jazzy for pointing up. If i jack up the price with a lot of end
stuff on it, as a consumer position, i would rather spend on commercial stuff as well biggrin.gif So i rather back
on my line and produce a budget DAC that sound good and everyone can afford icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 21 2010, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Dec 21 2010, 09:58 PM)
this one just male to make can work d? yawn.gif
sorry for noob question :\
if so pm me price! smile.gif
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I don't get your question blush.gif
To avoid any action take from moderator, please
directly pm me for price inquiry instead of inquiry here. sweat.gif

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post Dec 24 2010, 04:47 PM

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Hi, if anyone interested to test this dac, please come test the prototype with me at cyberia. biggrin.gif only for today because i am "quite" free right now. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 25 2010, 03:54 AM

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Here is the layout of the final version tongue.gif I have tested the prototype for a week, what i can say is, it really out of my expectation, wm8501 sound really well that's audiophiles will like it!

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