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post Mar 3 2013, 10:34 PM

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I thought the point if applying an expensive coating means maintenance is splash with water instead of even more work than normal non coated paint
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post Mar 6 2013, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(sierraglow @ Mar 6 2013, 08:20 PM)
Hi rcracer, Many have misunderstand about Paint Protection Coating. Any in the market many detailing shop mislead car owner's about this. There are many type of this products in the market, mainly there are polymer based. Sierra Glow Glassglow coating is the latest technology from Japan which is inorganic Silica Glass (non solvent) material. This will protect your car paint and a more lasting shine. Of course any damage whether direct or indirect or stains will not be cover. Owner's will still need the responsibility to self maintain their car to utmost clean condition.

Before such coating in the market, why do we send our cars for waxing and polishing? We do not just polish our car for lust. Because the car surface is losing the gloss or change of color. Why is this happening? Oxidation... Each time we wax and polish our car, how long the shine will last? 3 to 4 months? We will repeat the same with waxing and polishing. Each time how much it will cost? One year if we repeat about 3 times, how much it will sum up? Do we notice the swirl marks on the car surface after waxing and polishing? This is cause by abrasive ness of the compound and polishing machine use that cuts into the paint surface and will cause our paint to become thinner... Do we still prefer waxing and polishing?
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But if I need to care for the coating the same as normal no coating, then might as well just care for the original paint.

My idea is if I coat something I expect it to be tougher and less maintenance than no coating. If it doesn't decrease my work then it serves no purpose.

Eg Teflon pans, without coating food sticks and burns and hard to remove, once coated easier to clean and also tough to scratch.


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post Mar 7 2013, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(fongss76 @ Mar 7 2013, 10:01 AM)
2 types of people:
1. To help reduce/minimize the washing time or washing frequency.
2. To have shine-shine car, regardless the effort.

So, it depends on your preference.  tongue.gif

For me, I want "To help reduce/minimize the washing time or washing frequency."  drool.gif

Please continue to share which coat is better, I'm currently doing shopping for coat, there are just too many brands and confused!!

http://malaysiamari.blogspot.com/2013/02/c...coating_17.html
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exactly mine too, for me the coating should be like teflon water easy bead off, dirt easily wash off, thorough cleaning maybe once a month and by thorough i mean the normal car wash with soap and rinse and all
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post Mar 8 2013, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(sierraglow @ Mar 7 2013, 09:50 PM)
Yes, I agreed. I had a Teflon pan that lasted for two years until now. I normally eat out or take away 3 meals 7 days a week. My mum bought a Teflon pan but 3 months later she put it in the disposer bin. She use to cook daily and the last time she was frying Cod fish and the fish stick on to it. This happen when she was preparing CNY reunion dinner and imagine dishing out the fish in pieces. she was so piss off. She has to buy special plastic stirrer and have to avoid using Scotch brite to scrub otherwise will cause scratches to it. My mother is a very fussy type, she keep cleaning the pan and yet it feel oily. I wonder how often you use your Teflon pan and how do you clean it. It seems my mother not so educated and know how to use such hi tech pan. Somehow the pan surface did not few smooth like 1st time she start using. Maybe the residue could have blended together with the food cook and extra Vitamin T in our stomach.
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if sierra glow is also like your mom teflon pan, can we put it into the bin also?
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post Mar 8 2013, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(sierraglow @ Mar 8 2013, 11:33 AM)
Oh of course, but that was a Teflon coated pan. But you was stress on how good your Teflon pan. You never at one time how long your Teflon pan lasted. Sometimes human will tell one side of their story and hide the truth the other. Consumer now are very intelligent, let the product speak for itself. That why I have few ex Teflon pan user but switch to Sierra Glow. Not only him but his family members wife, son and daughter also came for Sierra Glow. Pointless to practice Red Ocean strategy.
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bro, answer the qeustion if i coat with sierra glow do i have to care for it as much as normal paint or not??

yes or no?
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post Mar 9 2013, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Mar 8 2013, 11:49 PM)
This was written by KrisMas in Autoworld forum

Cheap wax - don't last long - need to re-apply regularly
Better wax - more expensive - last a little bit longer - lesser frequency of application
Coatings - cost a bomb - last for ages - you might even already be considering selling off your car by the time it fails

Note: for each of the above there are different grades of products, so I'm just putting a general statement.

The above would generally apply PROVIDED THAT you undertake PROPER MAINTENANCE ROUTINE which are more or less the same regardless you're using cheap wax, expensive wax or coating - which is cleaning and washing regularly.

Neglect the maintenance part, even a coating *might* just last as long as a cheap wax before you'd get waterspots, embeded contaminants, marrings, swirls, etc.

The main advantage of putting on a 'coating' instead of wax/sealant is the amount of effort you'd need to put down for maintenance. Eg. washing is easier as a coating would shed/release dirt better; no more monthly re-waxing; some coatings even boast high hardness level so it's more difficult to get swirls/marring; etc.

But, my point is, regardless any type of protection you put on, whether it be a cheap wax or the most durable coating available in the market, you'd still need to undertake PROPER MAINTENANCE ROUTINE. Because, end of the day, all of them are just a SACRIFICIAL LAYER OF PROTECTION put on top of the paint.
............ so in conclusion you still have to care for it using REGULAR PROPER MAINTENANCE ROUTINE even with a coating.
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so might as well just care for the car with cheaper wax since a coating is also not as hard if not given the same attention

the cost of coatings just don't justify its use if it doesn't reduce regular maintenance to a bare minimum and still retain shine.

if I do the same for a non coated car then the paint will last as long as a coated one so what the coating does but add weight
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since both are sacrificial and both require same care then what does the coating provide then? Easy washing wax also does that.

plus today's modern paints are also much hard wearing already I dare even say exceeding these coatings which are maybe 20 year old tech?

Is there solid research into the sacrificial rate of cheap wax versus coatings? I say there are none

How can anyone prove that the coating is still there now that they have to care for it as much and that the coating didn't already wear off completely and the are actually caring for the original paint still assuming it's the coating?

The price if the coating is close to a full outer respray of the car. If I wanted to sell I'll just respray it and it'll look a billion times better than any old coating if any remains. Isn't it easier to just let the paint weather normally and full respray since both cost the same. At least I can really not care rather than pay and still do the donkey work

This post has been edited by rcracer: Mar 9 2013, 08:28 AM
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post Mar 9 2013, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(sierraglow @ Mar 9 2013, 06:18 PM)
1. Why do we wax and polish our car?
2. How long can the shine last after each waxing and polishing?
3. How much will cost each time waxing and polishing ?
4. Do we notice the swirl marks and hologram marks on the surface after waxing and polishing ?
5. Will our original paint become thinner to frequent waxing and polishing ?
6. Is our original paint better than new coat of paint?
7. Will the paint remove all rubber gasket lighting before repainting?
8. How long can the gloss effect of the new paint last ?
9. Question No 1 to 5 process will repeat again.
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1. wax to look nice, polish to remove scratches

2. 6 months is my experience

3. nothing, one can of wax goes long way

4. nope if you use clean cloth, i think got complaint here about sierra glow also swirl marks

5. no, paint is protected by clear coat, if you buy car no clear coat the brain better put elsewhere

6. absolutely, robot spraying in clean controlled conditions and extreme precision ensures very high quality work, plus inspection in light tunnel and defects correction after painting

7. no idea what is gasket lighting

8. with regular 6 monthly roughly 7 years, like my gen 2

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post Mar 11 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(durianpuff @ Mar 11 2013, 09:46 AM)
IMHO it silly to protect normal cheap paint with such expensive "coatings".
If my car is using very expensive paintjobs, then yes it is justifiable.
But if my car is just a factory default paintjob, it looks ridiculous to send it for such coating treatments. Might as well just send for new coat of paint every few years.
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plus the clear coat on modern paints are meant to resist foreign matter from sticking so i wonder how well these coatings really stick to the clear coat, if they do i assume they eat into the clear coat to hold on and when it gets worn away, walla the clear coat is also damaged already.
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post Mar 12 2013, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Mar 11 2013, 03:30 PM)
Here is my opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong but please don't shoot me. sweat.gif

If you want to go for coating, you have to be prepared to do regular maintenance - wash and dry it every week and also wash and dry it after raining.

A coating is hard. Harder than waxes.
It is also thicker. Some people say they can't feel the metal of the car body after coating.
A coating is better than wax when it comes to protecting the paint from colour fading and bird bombs.

The problem with coating as some users have found out is watermarks.
Because a coating is much harder, when watermarks form on it, it is also much harder to get it out.
Watermarks on waxes are easier to correct because wax is softer it requires less effort to sacrifice it.
Usually people who have spent a lot money on a coating also wouldn't want to DIY whistling.gif

A coating is definitely more durable than waxes and in the long run is cheaper too.
If you were to send your car for a 3 step clay, polish, wax it'll cost you say RM200 each time.
If you do that twice a year for 5 years, it will come to RM2000.
A Sierraglow coating is less than that ..... I think unsure.gif  sweat.gif

Anyone who wants to have a nice and shiny car ..... there is no shortcut.
Either you spend lots of money to pay someone to do it for you or you spend less and do it yourself.
The other option is to just have a clean car (wash whenever you feel like it) instead of a very shiny one.
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For me hard coatings means even watermarks shouldn't form, if it's hard to remove it means the water mark has done deep into the coating, and to remove it you have to remove even more coating which defeats its purpose.


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post Mar 12 2013, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(durianpuff @ Mar 12 2013, 09:24 AM)
Agreed. Its like now instead of having to care/worry about the car paint, I need to worry/care about that coating. WTF right?
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EXACTLY!!

finally someone gets it.


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post Mar 12 2013, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Mar 12 2013, 10:12 AM)
Have you seen watermarks on a windshield?
A windshield is made from glass. Real glass.

If watermarks can form on real glass which is very hard, it'll have no problem to form on a chemical glass coating. whistling.gif  brows.gif

I shall not say how the detailer removes the watermark from the coating coz I don't know biggrin.gif
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yes but for glass i know it's a fact it's a deposit only, you can use as much strength as you like to remove it the glass doesn't thin

but the coating i doubt it
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post Mar 15 2013, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(sierraglow @ Mar 14 2013, 08:08 PM)
I only stress on what our product is about and not so dump to criticism others in the open nor our policy of practising in our profession.
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Seems like your professional practice is to evade questions by giving vague answers
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post Mar 15 2013, 12:20 PM

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and lets be realistic, no car in malaysia ever lasts that long without being invovled in an accident/scratch/vandalism that warrants a respray anwyays

and even if you only care the paint 6 months once, it still lasts a long time

 

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