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snackmonster
post Sep 17 2013, 02:29 PM

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How NOT to apply for internship

I wish more people read this thread. Here is a very common example I get from interns. No doubt I can just delete them and carry on with my life which I usually do. These are the future of our country and they are lead astray.
Couldnt find the others, I set my outbox to delete ones asking for allowances and accommodation automatically.

There are plenty with the same attitude and mentality when asking about internship.
If your getting employed sure you can discuss your salary which without experience will be as is, and perhaps accommodation if there is any.


Email 1:
I would like to know whether your company would received any interns for the 5 months internship starting on the second week of October 2013.
If yes, is there any accomodation & allowance provided? And where actually the placement for the internship?
That's all for now. I hope you'll reply this email anytime sooner. Thank you.

Email 2:
I’m interested with your company productions and services, but I’m here because I have several inquiries to make regarding internship, as we are in a process of sorting out the companies that take IT students. I will kindly list down several questions to make it clear.
Firstly, does your company offers university degree students the internship program? If not, you may dismiss the next questions.
Secondly, are there any allowance given for the internship program?
Lastly, may I know the person-in-charge for the internship intake, if any? Can you provide some details such as name, email and contact number for that particular person?
I kindly appreciate and thanks you for your time and cooperation to answer my questions.

This person is taking it to another level our company does not do IT

This post has been edited by snackmonster: Sep 17 2013, 02:32 PM
FortNil
post Sep 19 2013, 06:21 AM

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Just my 2 cent,

Student should start applying for jobs already during their final semester. Have the interview experience. Who knows U will get an offer even before ur final exam. At least that's what happened to me.
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post Oct 16 2013, 04:05 AM

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Okay. i Have a question here. Im currently in my final semester and only taking one subject. So should i apply for jobs now? If there is interview, i wouldnt have my graduation transcript right? My finals is on 16th of November and my Result would only be released on 18th of December. So please advice, I'm currently in dilemma when should i be applying for jobs. Thank you.
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post Oct 17 2013, 12:21 PM

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you should applying for jobs right now...!
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post Nov 5 2013, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(fornax @ Oct 16 2013, 04:05 AM)
Okay. i Have a question here. Im currently in my final semester and only taking one subject. So should i apply for jobs now? If there is interview, i wouldnt have my graduation transcript right? My finals is on 16th of November and my Result would only be released on 18th of December. So please advice, I'm currently in dilemma when should i be applying for jobs. Thank you.
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Just send in your resume and apply for the job now.
HR of the companies you applied to also have to take time to review and shortlist candidates for interview.


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post Nov 22 2013, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(snackmonster @ Sep 17 2013, 09:29 AM)
How NOT to apply for internship

I wish more people read this thread. Here is a very common example I get from interns.  No doubt I can just delete them and carry on with my life which I usually do. These are the future of our country and they are lead astray.
Couldnt find the others, I set my outbox to delete ones asking for allowances and accommodation automatically.

There are plenty with the same attitude and mentality when asking about internship.
If your getting employed sure you can discuss your salary which without experience will be as is, and perhaps accommodation if there is any.
Email 1:
I would like to know whether your company would received any interns for the 5 months internship starting on the second week of October 2013.
If yes, is there any accomodation & allowance provided? And where actually the placement for the internship?
That's all for now. I hope you'll reply this email anytime sooner. Thank you.

Email 2:
I’m interested with your company productions and services, but I’m here because I have several inquiries to make regarding internship, as we are in a process of sorting out the companies that take IT students. I will kindly list down several questions to make it clear.
Firstly, does your company offers university degree students the internship program? If not, you may dismiss the next questions.
Secondly, are there any allowance given for the internship program?
Lastly, may I know the person-in-charge for the internship intake, if any? Can you provide some details such as name, email and contact number for that particular person?
I kindly appreciate and thanks you for your time and cooperation to answer my questions.

This person is taking it to another level our company does not do IT
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Kids these days are indeed a pain to deal with. There was a group of students recently who sent CVs and emails to recruit them for Internship to a top level manager in the company. Shame on the students.
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post Feb 7 2014, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(FortNil @ Sep 19 2013, 06:21 AM)
Just my 2 cent,

Student should start applying for jobs already during their final semester. Have the interview experience. Who knows U will get an offer even before ur final exam. At least that's what happened to me.
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How you write your resume then ? put your current CGPA & state which month you are graduating ?
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QUOTE(louis6 @ Feb 7 2014, 09:19 AM)
How you write your resume then ? put your current CGPA & state which month you are graduating ?
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Yep. Predicted grade and graduating date smile.gif
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post Feb 8 2014, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Feb 8 2014, 07:15 AM)
Yep.  Predicted grade and graduating date  smile.gif
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Thanks. I'm applied via jobstreet. In the jobsreet resume template i did state my graduating month but not my own resume. I just state graduating year. Result part I just put my current cgpa. Is it alright ?
Grade means predicted first class honor ?
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QUOTE(louis6 @ Feb 8 2014, 05:45 AM)
Thanks. I'm applied via jobstreet. In the jobsreet resume template i did state my graduating month but not my own resume. I just state graduating year. Result part I just put my current cgpa. Is it alright ? 
Grade means predicted first class honor ?
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You should include the month as well as employers need to know when you can roughly start.

If you feel your grade so far qualifies you for a first then you should state that. Otherwise state what you feel you're most likely going to get.
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post Feb 11 2014, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Feb 10 2014, 08:18 PM)
You should include the month as well as employers need to know when you can roughly start. 

If you feel your grade so far qualifies you for a first then you should state that.  Otherwise state what you feel you're most likely going to get.
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ok, I just updated it. Thanks smile.gif
But I'm quite confuse.. Some website require CV, some resume. What's the difference actually ?
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QUOTE(louis6 @ Feb 10 2014, 04:51 PM)
ok, I just updated it. Thanks smile.gif
But I'm quite confuse.. Some website require CV, some resume. What's the difference actually ?
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Just different names calling the same thing.

You could take the initiative and try looking up their definition next time smile.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Feb 11 2014, 09:28 AM)
Just different names calling the same thing. 

You could take the initiative and try looking up their definition next time smile.gif
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Yea, I did. Seems like US prefer CV, other countries like Europe prefer resume..
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post Mar 5 2014, 07:29 PM

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Is there any updated list for expected salaries for fresh graduates...?? I'm on the engineering side, and all i could find was 3 years ago... Please help... :/
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QUOTE(Gamecon @ Mar 5 2014, 07:29 PM)
Is there any updated list for expected salaries for fresh graduates...?? I'm on the engineering side, and all i could find was 3 years ago... Please help... :/
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Gamecon, you can try Jobstreet salary section on their website. I don't know how often they update the salary list but I imagine it shouldn't be too old. It should be a good indication for you.
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post Apr 24 2014, 05:16 PM

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjmn7x38ly9zexm/L...ny%20O%26G.docx

This is the list of some companies mostly oil n gas. Around 180 company or something. I listed this down including with email of its recruiter.i got this from someone else last year as well from my uni. I encourage all of fresh graduate to send their resumes directly to the recruiter/hr rather than waiting for them to advertise it in jobstreet. Because after advertise in jobstreet then u need to compete with a lot of people.

I graduated last year and i send it directly to these 200 companies and i managed to get around 15-20 interviews which mostly me alone and the interviewer. Out of those interviews i managed to get 8 jobs.

Funny part is they don't even advertise it anywhere that they have vacancy. Maybe only internal advertisement and they saw my resume at that moment. So lucky me. Now working in Labuan with my family

This post has been edited by amirsyafiq: Apr 25 2014, 01:24 PM
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Simple Guide to Email
Email is now an indispensable form of communication in companies big and small, so how do you go about it?

Below is a short guide for emails communication. This is based on my experience, so feel free to adapt to your needs as you see fit.

How to address someone
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Dear [First name]
x
x
Regards
[Your full name]
[Position - depends on the purpose of your email, is it necessary for this person to know your position?]
[Your immediate contact details]

- Used when you don't know this person
- Client or colleague
- Formal or informal situation

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Hi [First name]
x
x
Kind regards, [Friendly - Your first name only; semi casual - Your full name]

- Used when you have communicated a few times with this person
- An informal email with friendly tone

When to respond to email?
After sometime, I've worked out a simple formula with emails:

Emails with questions you have an immediate answer to:
- Reply immediately

Emails with information only:
- Judge how important this email is, if it's sent to you with important information, reply with an acknowledgement that you've got it.

Emails with questions you need to think about:
- How long do you need to think about this?
- If it's within 2 days, then let it be.
- If it's going to take more than 2 days, reply with acknowledgement that you've got the email, and will need to think about it. Give a time scale if possible.

Rules to remember
1) There are times you have to be strategic with your emails, for example withholding from responding too quickly, e.g. the client still owes you money, or constantly leeches off you without giving anything in return.

2) Never, ever use text speak in email, it's rude and reflects badly on you.

3) Avoid using Mr, Mrs, Ms in your email. There is a chance you'll get the gender of a person wrong. Exception is if the person is a Dr or Professor, some people likes to be called Dr. Lastname, but generally Dr/Professors like to be called without the honorific, as in the commercial world honorific is seen as arrogance.

4) Smileys are rarely acceptable in work emails, unless if it's between colleagues in a friendly banter.

5) When in doubt, use formal tone.

This post has been edited by Geminist: Apr 29 2014, 01:19 AM
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post Apr 29 2014, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(amirsyafiq @ Apr 24 2014, 05:16 PM)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjmn7x38ly9zexm/L...ny%20O%26G.docx

This is the list of some companies mostly oil n gas. Around 180 company or something. I listed this down including with email of its recruiter.i got this from someone else last year as well from my uni.  I encourage all of fresh graduate to send their resumes directly to the recruiter/hr rather than waiting for them to advertise it in jobstreet. Because after advertise in jobstreet then u need to compete with a lot of people.

I graduated last year and i send it directly to these 200 companies and i managed to get around 15-20 interviews which mostly me alone and the interviewer. Out of those interviews i managed to get 8 jobs.

Funny part is they don't even advertise it anywhere that they have vacancy. Maybe only internal advertisement and they saw my resume at that moment. So lucky me. Now working in Labuan with my family
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This list is specific for Engineering background or other backgrounds? smile.gif
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post Apr 29 2014, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(snackmonster @ Sep 17 2013, 02:29 PM)
How NOT to apply for internship


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So, that means, in order for me to apply Internship, I should not mention about Accomodation and Allowances. Okay thanks. icon_rolleyes.gif

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