On the contrary, Tm isn't dumb, but they are evil, just like any other corporate out there.

The only difference is there isn't enough competition to keep tmnet in check.

Yeah, how serious can it be. We just lose money paying for things we don't get

I gotta love your rose tinted glasses

Why would light user be ecstatic? They are going to reduce the price?

Otherwise, no difference right

Unifi is not a viable alternative, its hardly available at more than a quarter of Malaysia locations

Gotta love how you fight for the benefit of tmnet, basically asking tmnet to charge its users more than it already does at the moment

I have a problem of you fighting for the benefits of tmnet rather than the consumers. You keep saying heavy users should pay more, but you never said that light users should be paying significantly lesser than what they are paying at the moment.

Your idea basically give TMnet the opportunity to gain more income with no real benefits to the user. It allows them to abuse the system and yes they will, because there is no competition. Does anyone else have a problem with this? Because I do, as a consumer. I'm sick of paying money to them when I get shit like this in return.

Your idea is only viable if there is competition, right now there isn't any. TMnet is going to have us all bent over and take them from behind if they ever implement a quota, mark my words.



BTW, those you mention involved an amount of cost in generating them per unit, whether is burning coal, other natural resources, or water treatment facilities. The more we generate them, the more cost it involves as you need to build the facility, hire people and so on. Its hardly the same as the bandwidth which we already have, its there.

Tmnet has been moaning about not enough bandwidth at peak times.

LOL, Joseph Salang Gandum is like Sarah Palin, he only choose to answer the convenience questions and avoid the real questions

Go Guan Eng! Give em hell

I have nothing wrong with him sharing info

But I have a problem with him saying Tmnet is no evil, we must pay more as we use and all that load of BS which basically translate to giving TMnet more money. None of his suggestion has any hint of being beneficial to us consumers. His suggestions only makes the consumer more vulnerable to further exploit by tmnet, as if their current mistreatment of their customers is not bad enough.

He needs to take off his rose tinted glasses.

So just because we are not posting any suggestion, it means we cannot point out all the flaws in it? Right

I would have simply disagree had he not parade himself like a crusader for consumers. That's what gets me. He keep saying he's fighting for something good when there is nothing good in whatever he's fighting for. He claims its the future, which is another fallacy. Look at other countries that actually provide high speed broadband with great service, that is the future. Not giving TMnet more ammo to abuse its customers.

And also his naive take that tmnet is no evil. Right. Every corporate only thinks for themself, they wants to maximize profit. To say tmnet is no evil is naive bordering on silly. The only difference is, tmnet has no proper competition, and this is what happens when there's no one to keep them honest.

This is where he needs to take off his rose tinted glasses. TMnet is screwing its customer over and again, its ignorant to say they are all good.

There is no suggestion that Tmnet will entertain as they wants to protect their interest. Its not that hard to see. Any possible solution involves competition. There is a reason why Intel had to ensure AMD stays around, why Microsoft cannot kill off Apple and had to bail them out when they were failing.

Our problem here goes beyond tmnet greed. Tmnet will always be greedy, lets not give them more ways to screw us consumers over

lol, semantics
Fine, clearly we have to agree to disagree

In order to progress, we have to look at whats done right in other successful country. Many times our politician has compared us to country like Indonesia and Thailand. Do you think such comparison will do us any good? Sure, we are already ahead of them in many ways. It is those successful country that we need to emulate. Don't tell you think its ok to compare Malaysia to other worse country. What good will that do... and try not to use that cliche when it doesn't it fit.

I'm not saying we must become like Japan or SKorea overnight, but right now, our politician is not even trying to. There are many examples I can present to you that reflects the kind of mindset our government have that is hindering our progress, but I have no wish to spend my year end holiday in ISA


Our government has been protecting many local companies. This is something I do not agree with. No one said the government should bring in competition with taxpayers money, I think free market is the way. But don't restrict others. I believe just as recent, there's a news where they did not grant some license because the government doesn't want them to compete with local companies. To me, this is full of sh*t. We should grant them the license, let them compete with our local company any maybe we wouldn't even need to have this discussion.


Without competiton, having bandwidth quota allows tmnet to set very low quota and we can't do anything. Will you be happy with 5GB monthly quota for RM88. I don't know, but I don't, and that's to me is just ridiculous.

Of course if you have another different limit you think is ridiculous, its still the same. The question is what's stopping TMnet from setting a ridiculously low quota? Nothing, and thats the dangerous part. That's what worries me. Our problem comes from the fact that we do not have any competition, and we may get even more problem, from the same cause.


But anyway, as I said, we have to just agree to disagree
I'm just sharing my opinion here, not trying to convert you, lol

This post has been edited by Hornet: Dec 9 2010, 12:57 AM

Agreed
This is why I mentioned that we should look at those countries and try to emulate them. Not compare ourself to other backwards country

I think Dr Mahathir in his prime, could probably achieved 2020 had he continue to be our leader, and remained in his prime. Of course he gets old and thats not possible. But he was a leader that had a vision and knows how Malaysian really needs to be competitive instead of being under the government shell all the time... our current government now is full of p***ies

True
But I've tried searching around lyn here, but I can't find any VPN that are hosted in Malaysia

Is it more expensive to host in Malaysia? Wonder why no one do it

Well, actually I was thinking about those high speed service for large enterprise. Unless TMnet is also throttling those enterprise service