I have post a few thread on Ipad and some mod keep merging my thread to one "apple ipad discussion thread" Last night i post a topic on Ipad cannot use TM hostpot to access internet and this morning i realise it has been merge with "apple ipad discussion thread". So I have to browse thru many pages before I see my post and look for any reply or help. This is absolutlely stupid!!!

Why lump everything together in a huge thread where its impossible to search for specific info?


Admin edit: I have specifically allowed this thread. Please do not close [RBR]

This post has been edited by RBR: Dec 2 2010, 10:31 AM

i agree...

i agree

That's the way it works here. If you're used to how it works in your previous Console Couch thread, don't expect the same mentality here. Here unnecessary threads are consolidated into one, and in your case, it is more of a single post importance than warranting a new thread.

Thread reported.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Nov 30 2010, 02:35 PM

You're right. I started an iPad 2 speculation thread and it got bunched up with that thread, too. Might as well take the whole apple byte section n bunch them up.

Yeah, i think its really stupid too, especially when you those mod-wannabe show-off guy here in this forum. thread reported here thread reported there.

Because it is only a conversational thread, and not discussional, hence not requiring its own separate thread? The iPad Discussion thread encompasses all of these, and unless these contents are big enough to discuss, they get consolidated. Also, you said it yourself, it is speculation, and from history o how forum members here deal with speculations, they tend to either drive the expectation level to ridiculous heights or end up arguing with one another, all over "a speculation".

It this how things work and we should not work top improve it, but simply accept it?

If this is how things work here, then all I can say is that lyn ipad forum really sucks...its so backward!!

Even my wardrobe is separated with drawers and compartments where I put my socks, underwear, t-shirts etc separately where i can get them instantly.

Try searching for a ipad topic and all you get is "apple Ipad discussion thread V1, V2, V2 and in between there are a couple hundred of pages. What year is this anyway?

Thanks, I've just reported you. What did you contribute to the forum today?

If U cant Beat Them Join Them...

Dude, it's how it's done here. You don't see me messing about how Console Couch is moderated, or how Kopitiam are handled, even if it annoys me to no end.

lowyat.net isn't specifically an iPad/iPantyliner forum. live with it.

See what you've done? You put in feces, you attract the flies. You put in non-discussional flamebaiting threads and post like these, you attract the trolls.

How convenient to say that. Why even have a ipad discussion thread? Its not going anyway.

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Added on November 30, 2010, 2:54 pmDude. If things can be improved, why not? Instead of showing your "tailou" attitude here "it's how it's done here". It so sad too see we malaysian ipad owner have to live with such a "closed" minded mod in the best tech website for malaysian.



This post has been edited by lightning69: Nov 30 2010, 02:54 PM

agree...and support your intelligent
They expect us to read every page in the thread... Luckily moderator in other section have more intelligent which allows a sub section & freedom discussion

hmmm... wonder whether the moderator is a kids in this forum
be careful of moderator C4 / ISA...

Wait a sec, is he a mod in the 1st place? LOL.

So what if I did not contribute? I dont usually post much. I, just like others in this forum just cant stand your 'cocky' sort-of attitude.

My advise to you is to shut up and let the mod do their job, not posting just to get post count. Geez.

A true moderator would think hard behind the potential outcome of a discussion albeit speculation or material. Also, a true moderator would report abuse ONLY when a thread poses a potential threat, NOT under the excuse that it would convolute a forum. The way you've done it here is unprofessional and one can obviously see that you're doing it for "respect". Yes, there are plenty of "flies", as you put it, contributing "nonsense", but that's the objective of a forum thread, for anyone to post their opinion on an issue. Of course, whether or not that opinion is "faeces", is left to the discretion of a moderator, and that's why proper thought is necessary and expected of one.

...i watch with interest on what happening at lowyat.net ...it seem that the control have been to strict..ppl go to lowyat.net to see what ever info they can get...remember lowyat.net become what it has become bcos of us..the user....probably u need to do a survey on what r u doin now before lowyat.net become tooo BORING and lame and we all shall moved to other site...thru out our live we have been control...now what we have left is...the freedom to express our opinion...n tats all we hav now..

You're new aren't you? You're not here when things were left open at one time and it evolves into arguments, flaming and such before when moderation was simple and relaxed. You relaxed the "whoever can post whatever thread" stance, you get the first page full of threads that are duplicates and people who wants to find info, have to search to multiple threads. Imagine you post your TM question thread, and another 10 more post the same question on 10 separate threads, which thread should anyone who have the same problem should refer to when he want to fix his problem? Search through 10 threads of similar content and hoping you find the right answer in one of those 10 threads? Or is it better to have it in one thread, and point the person who ask these questions to that one thread using the "Search" function.

I dont give a flying rat's ass whether you think I'm showing my "tailou" attitude here or not, from the Console Couch section you came, you shown your "attitude" there as well, and it ain't pretty. What, you grow tired of that section and want to change how things are done here?

no problems = no improvement. clearly there's a problem here, and i do agree with the tread starter.

that being said its not the moderator's fault either.. its a matter of balance. so now there's feedback that the balance is not up to mark..

forum has threads for a reason..don't have to lump it all up.

hope there is more specific thread for ipad forum,it look bored hv to search 1 by 1...

Perasan? Its not like I called u FAT right?

Back to topic: Hope mod can understand us, the user and close this soon.

Funny thing is, the mod agree with me a lot of the time. I didn't say much though, other than reporting, and I'm sure that doesn't add to post count (the report that is), but even that you say I say much, and ask me "to shut up" .

So your point is that you're moderating to eliminate repetition? If that's the case, how come the guy who started this thread's complaining that you've bunched his one into the 'discussion' thread? If it was truly a repetition, then there should be another thread of the same issue, and it should be combined THERE.

you don't catch the point. if you wanted a detailed forum where you have one thread for every piece of shit you figured out from your ipad, you'll go to forum.ipad.com

So your point is that you're moderating to eliminate repetition? If that's the case, how come the guy who started this thread's complaining that you've bunched his one into the 'discussion' thread? If it was truly a repetition, then there should be another thread of the same issue, and it should be combined THERE.

because this is a public forum and everyone is expected to chip and help the moderators.

moderators are not paid and you are probably made out of stone, if you refuse to help.

One of the reason, NOT the only reason. FYI, I bunched nothing, dont have the power to do so, although it looks like I've bunched someone elses panties from the looks of it.

His argument is about not being able to get answers to his questions SPECIFICALLY. He wanted answers directly to him, instead of posting it in a consolidated thread. He wants his voice to be heard specifically, answers to his questions quickly to him specifically, without having to portend with searching through a consolidated thread. If this is allowed to be, then what happens to the rest who acts like him and wants answers direct to them specifically and quickly? Answer: 10,20 repetitious threads of the same nature. Hence why the consolidated thread.

Most if not all the time, people who post these threads wanting answers SPECIFICALLY to their needs, would either disappear after their queries are answered, dont close their own posted thread, and leave the thread they make hanging until it is submerged by other new threads being made. IMO, this shows irresponsibility. You make the thread, you clean it up.

I shudder to think how the forum would look when 20 different members posted new threads asking why the iPhone only can hear sound from the left side of the "speaker" and not the other. Am I required to answer 20 different threads asking the same question? Because that is basically what you're asking the moderator here do.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Nov 30 2010, 03:17 PM

Yes, I'm new in this sub section. I'm not saying that there should not be any control. But lumping everything into one thread? The last time I post my opinion(review) on the ipad, it got merged to the general discussion thread. Then I discover that it is impossible to login to Tm Hotspot and post a thread here and it too got merge into the general discussion thread. If there is a Tm hotspot thread coming up in future, and you merge it into a thread for ipad Tm hotspot discussion, then its okay. But merging every topic on ipad to 1 discussion thread is absolutely crazy.

When I first came to this sub-forum, i find it funny that almost all the thread are closed. I thought there are just very few ipad owners in malaysia. Now i understand why. I hope things will change here or I will never post here again.

agree which means if its something different, then have a new sub threads for people to easily search.
Rather than have to navigate all the page in one general threads

Don't you think so? And this would make the life of the moderator easier?

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Added on November 30, 2010, 3:20 pmYeah, we look for improvement, thus there are feedback from forumer.
Its either the moderator behave like North Korea or South Korea....

This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Nov 30 2010, 03:20 PM

Do you thing that anyone there can help you with Tm Hotspot problem there? That is why we need a local ipad forum to solve our local ipad problem.

One more thing. If i run a website of a forum, i want people to post more here and not go anywhere else. It is funny that it is the opposite here.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Nov 30 2010, 03:22 PM

Not all topics are merged. Topics that are relevant to specific issues like apps, accessories, travelling with iPad, and such are left to open. Also notice what the description says about the "iPad Discussion Thread"? It reads "Everything about iPad". App discussions are too broad to be lumped together into the iPad Discussion Thread, hence it has its own thread. So does the rest mentioned. Now, are you saying that your thread about "why cannot log into TM hotspot on iPad" is broad enough or have discussional volume big enough to warrant its own thread? After you found your solution to "why cannot log into TM hotspot on iPad", what would happen to it? Tutup kedai, tutup thread? With it being consolidated into the iPad Discussion Thread, your query AND its solution, lives on there for everyone to see, instead of having your own personal "Why cannot log into TM hotspot on iPad" thread and see it plummet to the last few pages of this forum section. Which one is better?

All this complaining and arguing, admit it, is because you want straight answers to your question quickly and specifically, right? What if others are facing the same problem, and wanting to find the answer to the problem you faced? They.still.have.to.do.a.fricking.search! So what difference does it make when your thread is consolidated into one, they still have to search for it, only now, they only have to search through ONE thread, instead of the ENTIRE subforum!

Sounds like improvement is not required...

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Added on November 30, 2010, 3:31 pmIts because there is no competitor to Lowyat Forum at the moment.

This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Nov 30 2010, 03:31 PM

If letting people post 10 similar threads asking the exact same thing is your idea of improvement, then I guess it is not required?

There's a reason why threads are pinned, or why they hang around the front page all the time, it is because they attract lots of views and responses. Shouldn't you want your questions to be asked/posted here so that they get answered better? .

Of course its non-sense for people to post similar threads... but is it require to merge to a general threads?

i actually dont agree with the whole single thread approach but it seems a status quo here so it more likely the mod keep to it otherwise have to implement board wide changes.

it does make info harder to look up but at least reduce lalang posters.

poor stringfellow, time dude 'wah, stringfellow so helpful one', now everybody bash him, lol (think u should just take up mod ship lah, at least none of these sarcastic buggers throwing snide remarks. i bet u were offered and prolly decline to for personal reason).

I agree with your statement.
Info are too hard to find out as a new Ipad user. I do use search function, but search function in lowyat is not as good as google search with lot of filters. Still need to dig through ton of search result.

This post has been edited by mikelanding: Nov 30 2010, 06:09 PM

I AGREE as well. Might as well, just remove the IPAD category and just place it into notebooks and pda discussion. This is stupid.

Like I said, virtual rep means zilch to me. Don't live my life based on that, more concerned with those I know in real life and what they think about me. In here, trolling is celebrated, and being ignorant is tolerated. So....

Those in favor of non-merging of threads would be glad to know that you got what you wish, they're stop merging/consolidating unless it's duplication or piracy-related. So go ahead, post them up the threads and questions you need to post.

TS i suppork u 100%. this happen all the time especially in apple byte section. there are time that we need an urgent answer. but these smart mod keep merging it, in the end no solutions was available. of course we search before starting up a topic. its so frustrating eventually i stopped posting in apple byte section. it seems that only mod, gary, senior member mod wanabe & david are able to open topics here.

Ps: really surprise this thread has not been deleted yet

This post has been edited by graneon: Nov 30 2010, 08:39 PM

yes~ I was new and looking @ this ipad forum and almost every thread I clicked in was closed and "Kindly use the existing thread for your queries:" WTH man~

Go open one now. What are you waiting for? They give you green light to do do already.

if really want to do that, why don't just start ipad THREAD v1, v2, v3 under apple, and post there restriction for new thread

Not to say stupid la...actually juz wan to show up my opinion here, well, it is good to merge the relevent post together so that it will looks not messy...but then...this thread is getting less and less topic edy...so what is the point to open up a new ipad session?

In my opinion, they should lower down their restrictions so that more threads of different categories can be posted. And I mean not just related a little then merged together as one. Even though it looks "clean", but its not as comfortable as it seems. Imagine if everyone is asking different thing in one thread, then another answered and punches up the another question back the page. When will their question been answered?

I never come to this subforum before but I saw that this argument just keeps on going and going. Just my 2 cents.

kinda agree. Why dont all the thread merge under Ipad discussion? then search a specific info would be headache..and then what? ask uncle google? if ask google, there is no need to open ipad subforum.

Best way = less restriction.

Why? If there are moderating decisions that you disagree with, you can always open a thread in Feedback Desk or PM one of the admins. That has always been the case.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&article=9

With regards to this matter, majority rules.

Then why u guys don't delete all The deleted thread ?? Look messy

If want to consolidate all discussion/inquiry into single thread, implement a tag system for each post. Either it's a CHAT or INQUIRY/ANSWER post. Easier to filter and search.

Search function search function SEARCH FUNCTION.
heck i know of its existence. But really, LYN's search function is not the best engine around. Especially to search within a thread.

I'd just wanna know, everytime someone asks a question, is only stringfellow the only thing that CAN provide answer? Because he seems very tired of it. Wouldn't there be other ppl to help answering as well?

becos i'm one of the 'omg why my iphone only one side speaker got sound? T^T' but now that i know that's how it works, i'd chip in my part to help with others having this question too.

i dunno, but, isn't that how a community suppose to work? u take some and u give some?

previously i was actively helping in Hardware, OC, Symbian and Audiophile section but then too much shit thrown around and amount of newbies increased.

so i left ¯\(°_o)/¯

What's so bad about having more than 1 threads re: the same topic? The beauty of the search function is that it can search more than 1 threads...

I think the most important aspect of a new thread have to justify its value of being a whole new topic altogether, instead of mushing in the existing forum,

Sir RBR,
some senior members always like to report our thread as shown above and most of the time agreed by mod (as above, stringfellow claims mod always agreed with him) resulting our thread being closed or locked. david & gary has been closing/locking too many topics leaving us with no choice but to google for anwser. merging everything into 1 dicussion thread does not serve it's purpose as there are far too many conversational posting. try not to be so restrictive as some thread may be useful. many times when i seach for answer, thread that came out were already closed by mod without solution. i have been active in property and stock exchange forum and i dont see that many closed topic. many of the older thread are still active until today.

ps: i am glad that this thread is not closed. i thought it has an offensive title. nvm

This post has been edited by graneon: Dec 1 2010, 10:58 AM

sumtimes mod closes the thread by puttin the solution eg. refer to specific pinned thread with answers. now dats good. but u if u were to close it with just a simple "thread closed. pls refer to pinned thread" without any actual solution, dats very ineffective. being too rigid or too flexible aint good. the best is to let the forum grow. if sumwhere along the line it turns to /k/, den mod can start deleting. at d moment, a lil bit of chatter is not offensive rite

ipek itself is already stupid, and u expect the forum is not going to be be stupid ?

Am a newbie to Ipad.
Tried searching for some answers the other day.
Noticed most of the threads are closed or locked.
I agree, we need moderation. Repetitive thread should be locked.
But no point lumping everything into a single thread. Hard to pinpoint and discuss specific problem.

i hope u dun post spam. the reason d mods are bcumin strict is due to post like dis. wat i meant by chat is informational chatter. sumtin positive or interestin bout the ipad/apps. we can even talk bout our experience usin the ipad. but blindly posting /k/ style chat is not useful. if we do our part, the mods will do theirs

Well said. I feel the mod can relax some of the restriction.

i like your answer but cant believe this kopitiam answer come out from a senior member here.

fyi, u more senior than me, i joined 2009, u 2008...

agree with thread starter.

its the same style as iphone4 forum... all in 1 thread...hehe

duh, same ppl running it ma.
when i first went it, gave me the impression as though all Apple product owner will eventually become rude and arrogant :s

if you ask me, lowyat iphone forum is the worst iphone forum i ever seen.

ic..but your stars tapau me d


agree that explain why so many iphone hater in kopitiam

agree..that's why i stop posting there

i agree. i dont see the point of bunching up various topics under one thread.
if the topic is not relevant, then close it lah, but dont bunch everything up by having one whole topic that covers everything. sometimes its difficult to search for a specific issue just because its all lumped up.

also. those newbies are not going to run through page one before asking a question. its better to separate them out, and this will help those wanting specific information to find info.
but this is how davidgary runs things here. hence. i dont post anything much here, no point. hard to trace back

Agreed with u !
As a supporter of lowyat forum, it is hard to believe that people control 'post topic' so strict.
I still remember during last week, I post a IOS4.2.1 upgrading problem, in order to gather some opinion on pro and cons after upgrade to 4.2.1.
Sadly, someone has join my thread into general iPad discussion...
In the end, I couldn't gather the information !
And other new reply has 'push away'my topic. After a few days, my topic sink into deep blue sea!!
What I can say is this the only way to keep the forum clean ...haha?
Just my opinion

How come this topic hasn't merged into general discussion? Haha...

This post has been edited by sauying: Dec 1 2010, 12:48 PM

This thread is about ipad/ipek or wat? Better transfer to kopitiam la

agree totally.

last week i would like to discuss 4.2.1 IOS upgrade issue, end up i cant find any single thread to talk about it. if i open new thread i guess will receive warning from moderator "thread closed" blah blah blah.

This is what I kena last week.

Btw, this is not kopitiam or ipek talk...if I'm not an iPad user, I will not come here!
'U never post a new topic, u never know about the feeling of thread being closed by someone'.
Actually many of the FAQ can be found on google, but what I really want is
A simple answer from 'malaysia iPad user!

Google is the best la or u can straight pm the owner of the ipad because even u post directly on its dedicated thread most of the time no one will answer you.

For me u just pm 1 of the sifu of that specify device settle

My opinion is the moderators should be more sensitive:
1 Sensitive - that newbies are not as knowleagable as them. Granted that "why sound only from 1 speaker only.." questions should not be encouraged but sometimes Threads on specifics issues like ...getting Ipad connecting to TM Hotspot, IOS4.2.1 upgrading pros and cons... is relevant to the general public. Maybe the Moderators already know the answer and to them it is "common" knowledge but I agree that lumping everything into one thread does not promote sharing of ideas and learning also the questions usually end unanswered as it "sinks" in the all-in-one thread.
2 Sensitive - On how you close a Thread - Don't belittle the Thread starter or topic as it will create ill feeling. Be compassionate

Sometimes in real life if I am faced with a silly question, I just ignore it - don't answer, why tellthe person off and start an arguement.

Dear moderators, I know it sometimes is a thankless job but I hope you take some of the comments positively. remember we are not as clever as all of you.

Ps. I also have been a "victim" but sometimes (not always though) rationalising with the moderators help.

Totally agreed with u.
I'm here to to telling the truth..but I do really hoped that.
1.Mods should take some of the opinions positively
2.Do not close the thread easily, as some of them really newbie to iPad,or maybe need opinion from other members.
If we send PM to Sifu or senior member, this will provide only personal opinion...not from USERS..
3.Search engine doesn't do a really good job. For some reason, many of the answer couldn't be found.

Thanks for your input.

We will take your comments and suggestions on board and find a suitable resolution.

Thanks Admin

Thanks for ur understanding ... I really hoped iPad discussion thread can grow stronger ..

the thing is that if you find there are no ppl replying to your queries, most likely they hav not face the problem before. Bear in mind that ipad population users in malaysia is very small. You might have better chance getting answer from other international forums.

WE HOPE iPad discussion thread can grow better than now ... !!!!

actually there is a whole sub forum for ipad, maybe the moderators can be a little more loose one the topic created. Else might as well juz one thread for all ipad discussion in LYN.

i dun own a ipad (yet), but my experience with Nikon thread is bad. When everything is jumbled up into one. It becomes pointless. It's like one huge group talking about their own different things. To make it worst, the page count increased way too fast, and you can't catch up with anything. What happen next. Ppl leaves the thread. I left.

i agree!!!

definately need improvement...good job admin

I am glad to see this thead still surviving....
Let the iPad user have a breath...

If u guys dissatisfied with iphone consolidated forum because of specific mod, just go over his head to a more senior mod or forum owner. State the problem in a specific n polite manner n theres likely a chance for change.

This is prob for local ppl it seems. Lack of cow sense n ending up Always barking up the wrong tree.

lets see the iphone thread survive the 1 question 1 thread after this....

ive seen its been flooded by 1 question 1 thread thingie...

democracy rules...!!!

i thought this thread was lock last night.... seems like the admin reopen it.

I do agree that I don't like the idea of being so strict on thread posting.. I am surprised at the amount of threads closed down just by browsing the first 2 pages.

It is really hard to look for certain info when everything is packed into 1 single thread.

very true...and sometimes when u give out ur knowledge some ppl might not be able to read it...

Bravo ,admin!Love to see the changes!

I was more surprised to see that the iPad subforum only had 2 pages...

been in the ipad forum for quite some time now....and what i notice is that it is quite strange as the others have mentioned.

all threads basically deleted and merged into a discussion thread regardless whether their issues are relating to iOS, syncing, hardware problems, Steve Job ranting etc.

while this makes it easy for whoever who needs to moderate it....ie. he/she only have to monitor 1/2 thread, it stifles the robustness of this ipad forum. ppl find it hard to find what they want, searching through 130++ pages is mindfucuk , and in the end ppl will just find other forums instead which provide a better avenue for discussion.

What should be done is creating sub-categories /sub-threads in this ipad forum ie..
a) Ipad hardware issues
b) iOS upgrade
c) so on etc....

And yes, pls get rid of the "thread reported" thing.....its so discouraging for ppl to post something and have it stated "thread reported"....WTF is this? they violated some kinda cyber-rule? IMO it's just so childish. Just guide the TS to the right thread, that's all there is. Anyway, it's mostly the mods job to moderate.

And if the threads are "reported" and closed, get rid of them...don't leave a whole bunch of closed threads lying around....

The gist here is that for the forum to work, the mods / wannabes should listen to the users....for it is the users who contribute to the forum. UNLESS, you think that the mods/ wannabes are IPAD GODS, and only they have the solutions to all our queries.

The good thing here is that most users are quite friendly and ever willing to provide quick fixes and suggestions to my issues. These guys deserve 2 Up !

Flame all you like, that's my 2 quids.

This post has been edited by Amanda99: Dec 2 2010, 04:22 PM

Wah, everybody else offer just 2 cents but u offer a whole 2 pound, so generous.



Personally i was more forgiving of the board strict rules because i did not rely solely on lyn especially if its a generic question. Googling something like 'how to transfer movie in ipad' is a lot more faster and easier than waiting somebody to reply here.

Ive found lyn is better for local specific issues like getting around itunes registration, proxy use n such. 'google is ur friend' maybe cliche but its true n a lot of newbies should be encourage to be more independent in problem solving, makes for a more intelligent community n reduce overall 'noise to signal ratio', ahem

This post has been edited by kae_ae: Dec 2 2010, 05:58 PM

I would think the cause of the problem would be the "Ipad Discussion thread" which if most of your remember was a one thread thing over at the main Apple Byte subforum before there was an Ipad subforum.

With an "Ipad" subforum, there is not so much a need for a Discussion thread, makes things redundant. What i suggest is the Ipad discussion thread to be changed to a General Information/Updates on the Ipad thread maintained by the mods, and individual discussion threads be opened for particular questions/topics in the iPad section.

The People has spoken and their voice has been heard!!!!!!! This is democracy in an autocratic regime hehe

To TS, can u close this thread? Ur problem solved already. Thanks.

isit solved?...lol...no official announcement yet?...alot of them wanted this thread to be closed...=.=

there is no official statement but i seen quite abit of improvement in iphone 4 forum.

not like last time.reported here and there.i say good job to TS though that shout out his voice.thats what forum are for.