This topic is to discuss the way education is use here in malaysia. Are we sending the kids to school for nursery care in todays school or for their sake of educating them to live with their survival skill and knowledge to finance themself one day.

The current system fails me and by the time i discover it , we are reaching 40 something. some wake up early due to bad parenting or lost of parents just like the movie slumdog millionaire. And because the love of the parents , we keep doing the same thing wanting the best for them but we didn't know that we are sending them to hamster wheel . even doctors , lawyers wake up early to work and can't settle with their financial burden like Robert Kiyosaki had said. The real lesson is life lesson which are not taught in school thus everyone is emotionless .

I found homeschool method is better but we don't have time because of work.
So , are we sending our children for the govt and private to take care so that we can get on with our lives maintaining the nation production and economy?

This post has been edited by hackwire: Nov 29 2010, 07:03 AM

The problem with home schooling esp in boley-land is that, it is not entirely legal. One thing for sure, if you would analyse the content of the sylybus, you will find that it is by mar more inferior than many countries (flame shield on!)

The public school system really is a system to be embarrassed about. Different kids have different ways of learning but public school system is a linear system where everyone will be forced to learn the same way as other kids in the country.

yeah u right. our school system never taught us to research or step back to see things with the third eye. i just read some of the Exam Questions for the primary and as usual one must tick A,B,C or D .

The way the answers in A,B,C and D is like surreal. It tricks u to circle the wrong answer from the right one by manipulating your mind ( eg. is it 4680 or 4068) . The examiner even use words to manipulate you away from circling the correct answer.

I even noticed that in the question there are the same answer but the examiner only allow to choose one answer. That's crazy stuff out there.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Nov 29 2010, 07:28 AM

Homeschool method requires more resources (time from parents, money since probably one parent will stay at home) and knowledge to do it properly. Based on the discipline thread, parents dont even know how to communicate to their kids and resort to threats and punishments - so on earth are they going to educate them for hours a day?

I think lets put it this way:

Govt School:
- U can really forget about it. The sylybus that the Govt now giving to our new generation are just too confusing...sometime this...sometime that (e.g: Science and Math at first teach in Bahasa...then change to English...and now back to Malay). Everything was spoon fed. No creativity to the kids. Even the teachers in Govt school dont even bother to put effort. Most of them...just like to take leave, or go to kursus.

Semi Govt/Private:
- This is a school that worth to look into it. Chinese medium school. Good result guaranteed by your kids (coz if result no good, u MIGHT get kick out by the school) BUT....be prepare to get a MILITARY style of teaching method. (e.g: whacking and slapping your kids by the teacher is NORM.) And each of every term, u need to do some sort of donation to the school.

Private School:
- Depend on which one u are joining in. Some are good but with a price to pay. Some are just so-so (it's all due to the teachers and curriculum)

International School:
- Good but depend on your child can enroll in or not. Always put priority to expatriates and the school fees are mad. The last time i check in Mont Kiara Int School...for Year 1 price is almost Rm 50k per annum all in.

Home Schooling:
- So far is the best to opt. Cheaper, more effective, get to learn more subject and flexible time. The only problem is, u have to find a home tutor is hard. Parent ownself teaching are strictly NO-NO for kids in Home Schooling coz parent are always intend to be more linear to own kids.

How can we truly say that homeschooling is better than the public schools? Yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that our educational system lacks in sooooo many aspects, flawed at soooooo many levels, but I think our educational system is one thing, the educational value the parents bring in, is the more important element than anything else in our children's learning process.

One problem that I see from homeschooling is the lack of social interaction between peers. In the US, we see support groups of homeschooling parents (yes, PARENTS, not hired tutors -- who are we here? Bill Gates ah? Can afford private tutors?) taking their homeschooled kids on field trips, study groups etc, so that the peer interaction is still a big part of the overall learning process.

I see homeschooling or at least, learning at home as a move that can supplement the current educational system. Not a replacement of the system altogether. But more importantly, the government needs to realize that they SHOULD NOT revamp the whole system everytime they change head! For the love of God, just stick to one system and IMPROVE THAT ONE SYSTEM LAH.

ps. yes, a thread to discuss homeschooling is now seriously debating the Malaysian education system. But in my defence, I see parents considering homeschooling as being tired or disappointed in the Malaysian educational system, so that is probably a valid angle to discuss as well. Oh well..

I'd take the middle route - send them to public schools during office hours and educate them through sports / arts / music / non academic stuff at home during weekends or at night

I am 100% agreed on that

we all are the victims to our national policies. And i will also agree to some of you that homeschool is not everybody reach. We all have to sacrifice for our child not only in term of Education.

There are other stuff that school can't teach like going Abroad to learn. The school should now change their system for children to reach specialization . For eg.. Why should a student learn chemistry, physics and Biology . What's the point of having 10 A'S in all the subjects and causing other talented students to fail.

I mean if a student want to be astronaut, is it relevant for him to learn chemistry ? A space station don't need a multi tasker u see. they prefer specialist in the field.
Does a financial expert requires any of the science subject to help him/her to get the job? Why Bill Gates a drop out and Stevejob quit college and still be a creative genius?

At this moment, whether it's chinese school or private school. they are all the same . The chinese school were not the previous one anymore as many of these chinese who sold the idea of chinese school were not a formal students from the old system but a BANANA from Sekolah Kebangsaan....And these guys don't even know a shit about the chinese philosophy system but they are running the show now.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Nov 29 2010, 04:00 PM

I have 2 home schooling students, they are 9 and 10 years old but they study IGCSE syllabus. The syllabus is advance than Malaysia form 1. If your kid is smart enough then you can consider for home schooling. Beside that, parent also need to put more effort on it. Bad thing is kid cannot enjoy normal school life like assembly, music, curriculum, PE etc those enrichment activity.

mind sharing whether did you apply through the jabatan pendidikan to get approval? i been thinking maybe sent my kid to school according to subject that interest him. those subject he is not interested such as history and chemistry, i will just ask permission from the school teacher to let him off to do other things.

I am their home tutor, I teach them math. These students attend at learning centre at Cheras, study time is 9.30am~4.30pm. My students pretty young to attend IGCSE exam, they just learn whatever then they only choose which subject they want to sit on exam. Currently they learn Geo, History, Bio, Math, French, English, Mandarin, Japanese. They will learn Chem and Physic later.

Do they actually allowed that?

I doubt so.

If yes, many students will drop the histroy and future generation won't know about the Malaysian histroy.

They learn UK and international history

Yes, AFAIK, the Alice Smith and Mont Kiara Int School are learn World/International History.

Can the govt promise the young their future?

they keep saying without education you are going to end up in the slum but even got education also see many gone to the slum. And those who claimed chinese school is good, just look around you and you still see many poor hawker centers around.

what is education anyway?

For the students, to get as much As in the UPSR, PMR and SPM.

yet many students prefer to go to college.

many students study hard to get A's to enter university but the seat is limited and in the end they have to pay to enter college . Curriculum system focus to enter university but many students end up in college learning something new again. in the college, they have to throw and reset everything again . Every thing they studied before whether its science or history were not use at all anymore. The dots simply not connected and this thing is repeating because of privatization.

+1.

me is 1 of the example. All my science stream stuff is in my brain's backyard now. Also, the private college courses might be much demanding than the Government school standard which is happening to me.

Socializing is indeed in important factor. Not to mention your children's childhood?
Good education requires proper nurturing from parents i would say.

Hmm, i wonder how the children would know about the traditions in their own culture or religion.

History is either a subject to get an extra A for good student or a subject to be hate by the other students.

i don't get it ? wat culture ? by the way, i believe those time we still got learn bout indian god and even the chinese festival and christian St Paul. i wonder if it's still in the text book?
And not forget that, culture can change in time. why do we still need to learn the culture of the past when the geography and event had changed so much. I know for one thing, students in art background learn about the past design and traditional design more than they learn about the date and event in the history book.

Even study culture so wat, just look at the current disrespectful people in the politics and NGO like Perkasa.

if u look at develop country, do u still think the scotland people still wearing the skirt and blow bag pipe? The only culture we got to learn now is Orange is Holland, White is England and celebrates the Opening Ceremony of World Cup.

I am sorry; I mean about the culture and tradition of their own family.

We do continue to adhere some of the indispensable culture. I cannot imagine what would happen if the parents say no ang pau will be given this CNY.

As the time past by, it does not mean that we can forget our own tradition or culture.

As for those people in politics and others, do remember that they don't need a Degree or a higher education as a requirement to be one of them. So a few members' behavior does not represent the organization as a whole.

I still see the Scottish over here promoting their skirts.

speaking of angpau... haha.. the basis of corruption starts here..
i remember as a kid , we will hide behind the closet or away from the giver, take a peek into the red ang pau and see how much in it...

than when we grew older, the tradition continue but this time we compare which auntie or uncle are more favorable ... the one that gives more money is the favourite place to visit..the one that gives too little every year, we don't feel like going...

the basis of greed starts in the chinese tradition and culture...a stigma that can't be change overtime .

What to do? It is the chinese culture. I wonder if malay kids would be like us when talking about the green packets.

i still prefer the christian culture of giving gifts under the christmas tree and nobody knows who contributed those presents. it was made to surprise the kids . Big packing does not mean it's a good Toy ... sometimes a small packet can be an iphone,,, who knows... hahah

I see. Depending on the person. I still prefer cash.

homeschooling is certainly a better way, provided you do it properly. You can start with http://www.khanacademy.org to teach your son/daughter basic mathematics, and some sciences and let them do the exercises there.

Public education is not education, it's a place for government to brainwash your children, torturing them mentally and shaping them into the way they want them to be - such as becoming docile, becoming passive, becoming aggressive etc. They lose their spirit and passions because each children has different disposition and their talents. The teachers in the public school are of low-quality one because of the education system which renders them so and another because of them not being passionate (majority of the teachers become teachers because it's a job that guarantees silver spoon in the mouth, especially in public school).

Imagine the public school as a kind of factory. You send your children which are raw to them, and they process it and the final product will be determined by their quality of processing. If you know the teachers are good and then it's reasonable that you send like, like the ancient times, the rich people they sent their children to private institution to learn from those wise and knowledgable teachers, they never sent their children to be taught by someone whose quality is unknown much like what parents always do now by sending them to public school ( they don't know the quality of the teachers, so you can imagine what kind of finished product your children your be). It is not hard to see why the majority of the teenagers today are drop-outs or someone who just take learning for granted. Did badly in spm, then get to study in some private college , studying some dismal courses which did not interest them at all or some end up dropped out during secondary, some stopped it after spm. This happens not because they are stupid or something, it's because their spirit is all hurted. Remember each children , upon growing up, will develope some interest in certain subjects and some will have their innate interest and talents. If these is not taken carefully, they might end up giving up themselves especially when they are repeatedly forced to study things they never like.

In public school, kids are bombarded with many subjects to study, homeworks, peer pressure, parental pressure ( some parents who do not have love will beat up their kid and reprimand them for doing badly in examination while it's actually the fault of the public education system ) and mental torturing. Nothing hurts the spirit more than telling the kids what to do and what not to do. Imagine getting such treatments for 13 years of time. and you can see the finished product from the factory of public school.

Are you a product of homeschooling or public schooling?

Wow, just looking into the Khan Academy syllabus itself we know we are all full of bullshit. this is even highlighted wat been taught. Imagine the public school one, even worse i guess.

I myself is now taking steps in learning Robert Kiyosaki and david Allen book. Just two of these books already enough to tired me off per day. Than there's Edward De Bono , Tony Buzan etc....

Just looking at those topic , nothing really matters to me unless u really love to be some specialist as astronaut or lawyers but u don't have to study biology or physics to become a lawyer or judge . and u don't need to study history to become an astronaut.

Regarding the HomeSchooling in Malaysia:

1. Can the children educatred in HomeSchooling register for PMR SPM STPM then enter to Local University? OR

2. Is the Home Schooling is just for those who want to take Olevel, Alevel and end up in over sea/foreign university?

Thanks...

From what I read in this thread, my conclusion is the question itself from TS is circular error. Lesson of life, chinese have this, we call it Social University "社会大学", Social has many relm, we start our kids from young, she goes to std one or even nursery, thats a small social world for her, she not only learn to pass exams, but an informal exam is how she survive in that small social world, how she make friends and survive manipulation, lies, backstabbing, betrayer and so on.

When she is in secondary or university the story remains, she now faces her enemy who are more mature, and so is she. This skill acquired will help her survive in the real world, corporated world or those in the lime light, is nice to see on the outside but darn ugly in the inside.

ok apart from the social university, we talk about education, I'm from sekolah kebangsaan, the teachers there mostly sucks, but 1 or 2 will be outstanding thats if you're lucky. but somehow we do survive, most schools do produce Doctors, engineers, CEOs, on the other side most schools also produce gangster heads, criminals and so on.

What I'm trying to say is this, we live in malaysia, we need to adopt or blend into the enviroment, how we survive will depend on the social skill we have. I'm not anti improvement, just that this thread is about home school or public school, home school you lack the social university.

i think one who came from sekolah kebangsaan will never know what home schooling is about. i think u r wrong here. homeschooling has better opportunity for the child to get social life outside than a barricaded school compound couple with some strict disciplining teachers and A Grade Prefects. The school is to segregate the A grades from the F grades . the lack of social engineering in public school had also caused many boys and girls looking at sex education and relationship as a taboo in culture rather than embracing and respect each other gender . The lack of understanding of social and gender have caused more men to be flirtatious and lie on relationship to reach the objective. Divorce cases are on the climb and single couples don't believing marriage anymore.

Home school does not mean that one is center around home but parents duty to sent the child out for activities and they have more time to expose the child to different people. i don't see students from std 4 mingling with std 6 or going down to the level of std 1. do you see this often in your sekolah kebangsaan? most students will stick to the same people in class or share the same ideology.

finally, life lesson like betrayal or manipulation does not need to be educate in school. until today, there are still many who can't even sense what is coming and when will they be cheated unless you are Cal Lightman the Professor in Lie To Me who studied micro expression. I think your whole perspective in chinese philosophy need to be reverse. if your cup is full of liquid, i can't teach u more new thing. the school system is filling up the cup only , they don't empty the cup , the same thing u thought school is good for your child.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Jan 14 2012, 08:38 AM

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Just to clarify... the education that you're talking about is for kids age 7 - 12 (Primary) and 13 - 17 (Secondary)?

Can you let us know the tuition name? And what is the student age range to attend this tuition?
I would be interested in sending my kids to this type of tuition when the kid reach 7 years old.

Last time, public schooling is good. The teacher have the heart to teach the student on the knowledge.
And parent allow teacher to disciplines the children if misbehave.

Now,
- it's a political game in the public schooling, yes/no?
- Teacher at times abuse their right to discipline the children
- Some powerful parent come bashing the teacher if teacher discipline the children

does it matter? my latest finding is that many homeschool based were christian based now and im currently checking about unschooling. What it meant by unschooling is that the childrens will not be expose to nonsense subjects that had no purpose in the life direction. They were focus towards their interest rather than diversity. the reason is because you will not use them later in life. It's just like apps. You could download many apps into your device but you don't often use some of the apps every day. There are many ways that you could learn them later but if the child from young just love playing to be a doctor all the time, school direction is still the better way due to the lab and equipment but then again if the Teachers is boring and not interesting they may turn the tide and cause the child to lose interest due to their primitive teaching.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Aug 19 2013, 09:26 AM

Public school is always political from the day politicians were involved . From the supplying of books, milk , tender of canteen operators to the construction of the school to acquiring land deal. They were more interested in this stuff than making a play center cum education for children. It's just a factory producing few talent but more workers .

This post has been edited by hackwire: Aug 19 2013, 09:30 AM

IMHO, do not put ur child as white mouse testin. unless u seen people in few generations success doin it, i dont think its worth d risk. who r u to determine wat he/ she wants as courier?

And you got nothing to prove anything here or discuss about. Shame on you as a parent who don't even have the state of mind in the debate and not even have ground in the discussion. Who are you to determine your child to asylum of your choice.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Aug 20 2013, 12:01 AM

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Agreed. The thing is, there is no one size fits all. Each child develops best under different conditions. Find the best for your child.

Do you ever question about the public school education system?
Or are you contented with the way the public school is conducted?

In my view, I'm curious whether the minister send their kids to public school.
If not, then I rest my case and I'll have to kick start planning to send my kid to non-public school

Have we all ever wonder why students in the public school system still go for Tuition every afternoon and even on Sunday? This is hardly seen in the US. im not sure about europe or UK or even other part of the country like Japan . Someone had said b4, they don't let their child go for tuition after school. They want their kids to free up and pay more attention in schools and not fall back on other crutches like tuition. The public school system is not meant for children to embrace failure. In fact, failing is look at in different perspective if the parents know how to accept the facts of life. Failing at early stage is better than failing in their work life. Failing is a punishment in public school system in the past (not sure about now) and parenting skills. Today, we all know failing is the root to success eventually. The more u fail, the better u learn at early stages.

its clearly im sided to public education. proven since our father time (if u r 2nd generation in malaysia). wat a child needs is d ability to think critically. d choice / way of life r them to make.

if u never experience urself studyin in home schooling , i dont think u r in d right mind to make dat statement. do note d topics is ab homeschooling vs public education

bcoz parents think their child r slow learner / parents wants to show they care their child education..lol

ok. so ur main purpose is let your child to hav failure? dats wat i call white mouse.

im not sure wat u hav in mind, u wanna torture your children? make them home schooling . n send them sitting for exam upsr, pmr, spm / olevel,a level / stpm then U?

Proven?? please.. don't even mentioned about father time. That time is that time and not all of them were successful like you imagine. You are saying that the choice is theirs to make and then you said I put my child as a white mouse. I think you are hypocrites or having dementia a bit because in the news, parents were facing frustration with the public education systems that kept changing as well from year to year. Aren't you responsible as well in putting your children in the cartwheel ? Unless you didn't read the news about English language been scraped off and the introduction of religious teaching as well. Are you stuck somewhere and still reading some old news because i think you are just making things up . Maybe you didn't read much about how people like Steve Jobs and bill Gates started from their garage and flop out from University before they become an instant millionaire. Anyway, I think no point to argue with big White mouse here. I will let others to judge now.

Yes, I realize this too especially student are "force" to go tuition.
Primarily is because parent have almost zero hope that public school can teach their children anything.

So pity the children whom have to attend to a partial useless half-day at school, and then a serious study in the tuition. And night time have to do lots of school and tuition homework.

So far the only school that seriously teach student are SRJK and paid school

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