Watercooling Budget Pumps Shoot Out!!! Part 1.

I hope it's ok if i post this in this thread cause don't think it is wise to create a new thread..O.k. here we go, a few weeks back a few forumers came out with this idea of having an alternative to the renown Nirox P2800 pump which can perform better without burning a hole in our pocket. And so I've nominated 3 pumps as contenders for the budget pumps shoot out (All pumps must be sub RM100.00).
(Please refer here)
How I test it?

Each pump will undergo a real life performance test in a real life watercooling set. The test rig consists of:

1. DangerDen Maze 4 waterblock for socket 478
2. DangerDen Double Heatercore
3. 2 x NMB 120mm fans
4. Aeroplane brand ½" tubing from Ah Beng Hardware shop.

The test machine:

1. P4 2.4A (533Mhz 1M L2)
2. Abit IS 7E
3. Kingston 512 KHX3200AK2
4. AcBell 400W Ipower p.s.u.
5. Geforce 9600 pro
6. Keyboard + mouse + monitor + table + chair + box of tissue paper.

Testing Method:

1. Stock Speed Idle Temperature
2. Stock Speed Load Temperature (min 10 min of prime)
3. OCed Idle Temperature
4. OCed Load Temperature
5. Pump temperature after 1 hour of operating.


So here are the pumps and results:

Reigning Champion.

Our beloved Nirox P2800: Qmax 1200L/h: Hmax 1.8m: 28W
Price: RM 28.00

Test result:
Stock Speed Idle

Stock Speed Load

.. continued.

Oced till 3.157GHz Idle


Oced till 3.157GHz Load


Pump Temperature after an hour of operating.


continued...

.. continued.

Contender No. 1

Cyber Aqua CA4700 Liquid Filter - Qmax 2650L/h: Hmax 3m : 70 W
Price: RM70.00

Stock speed idle temp

Stock speed Load temp


3.157Ghz Oced Idle temp

3.157Ghz Oced Load temp

Pump Temperature after an hour of operating.


.. continue... aiyah.. continue part 2 lah, now must attend meeting.

This post has been edited by amok: May 5 2005, 04:21 PM

Watercooling Budget Pumps Shoot Out!!! Part Deux!!.

Yes!! The long awaited sequel from the first box office shoot out: the revenge of the apam...finally stimyx is up again in my place (so what else is new form tmnet) ..O.k. here we go, a few weeks back i've tested two pumps namely the Cyber Aqua and the nirox, for the shoot out, for the result please clikc ere :Budget Pump Shoot Out Part 1

And now to conclude the shoot out, two more pumps will be introduced. Before that the intro:

Each pump will undergo a real life performance test in a real life watercooling set. The test rig consists of:

1. DangerDen Maze 4 waterblock for socket 478
2. DangerDen Double Heatercore
3. 2 x NMB 120mm fans
4. Aeroplane brand ½" tubing from Ah Beng Hardware shop.

The test machine:

1. P4 2.4A (533Mhz 1M L2)
2. Abit IS 7E
3. Kingston 512 KHX3200AK2
4. AcBell 400W Ipower p.s.u.
5. Geforce 9600 pro
6. Keyboard + mouse + monitor + table + chair + box of tissue paper.

Testing Method:

1. OCed Idle Temperature
2. OCed Load Temperature
5. Pump temperature after 1 hour of operating.

Sorry this time there will be no stock temp readings.. i mean, who in the right mind will run on stock if you're in watercooling? .. ok? no offence.

So here are the pumps and results:

Contender No. 3

HaiYang HY-805 - Qmax 3500L/h: Hmax 2.5m: 60 W
Price: RM 40.00

3243GHz Oced Idle Temp


3243GHz Oced Load Temp


Pump temp after an hour of operating


Continues......

... conitnued...

Contender No. 4

AquaKing AK4000 - Qmax 3000L/h: Hmax 2m : 45W
Price: RM35.00

3.243Ghz Oced Idle temp


3.243Ghz Oced Load temp


Pump Temperature after an hour of operating.


There you go, sorry the mcp650 is with my mobile rig and currently burning in so cannot compare with the rest ler.

conclusion in conitnues...



This post has been edited by amok: May 16 2005, 03:06 AM

...continued

ok?.. not ok, since the result is disputable cause on the first pump shoot out the clock speed in oni 3.157GHz.. but i'm not gonna do the Cyber Aqua pump again, cause the results are obvious.. CyberAqua pwn Nirox. So i'd just gonna do the nirox.

So here we go... again.

The Reign Champ

Our beloved Nirox P2800: Qmax 1200L/h: Hmax 1.8m: 28W
Price : RM 28.00

3.243 GHz Idle


3.243 GHz load


Pump Operating temp.. = please refer to the first pump shoot out.

Conclusion (again?).. continues..

This post has been edited by amok: May 16 2005, 03:15 AM

.... continued

So here is a table (sort off) to summarize the shoot out result:

Pump Load TempIdle Temp Pump Temp Price Modification?

CA4700 48C43C 36.6 RM70.00 NO NEED
HY805 50.5 44.5 36.8 RM 45.00 YES
AK4000 51.5 45 39.4 RM35.00 YES, A HELL LOT
NIROX P2800 52.5 46.5 37.4 RM 28.00 YES

damn pening try to sort out the so called table above..... conclusion? there's none by me , it's up to you guys to pick you poison

Neways, i can't help voicing out that the p2800 era almost come to an end after being the king of budget pump since bro tot first discover it almost 2 years ago. But still... to me, it can hang on to that title for a few more.. . Hope you enjoy reading and viewing the pics , sorry if it kinda large cause don't have photoshop..

and thank you to our new mod: PCcrazy, for letting me to use a lot of post here.

This post has been edited by amok: May 16 2005, 03:39 AM

Well regarding the issue of Qmax (maximum flow rate), actually it depends on the resistivity of your :1 . Waterblock, 2. radiator, 3. line (tubing). If say that you've decided to use a low restrictive w/block(eg. DDMaze series) + 120mm rad then a higher Qmax pump is needed. But if you ask me, a high flow rate pump rarely.. i mean most remotely can compensate the Head Pressure(Hmax) loss in the w/cooling set, most GOOD w/blocks (cascaded, pinned) and rads nowadays are highly restrictive thus require a higher pressure heads (at least 3.0m) and an ample flow rate (e.g. 1200/hr).

Well rumours about the heat dissipated by nirox pumps as reported by tot31 with his P3800(burned) and brader .1. with his 2 x nirox p2800 (kaputed) was proven to be true from the watercooling shoot out.. you see, a 28W nirox P2800 generates 37.4C of temp which is on the high side, compared to other high wattage pump.. imagine what a 58W nirox will do.. even though it is the cheapest one yet you've got to live in fear for a pump breakdown (especially those who're folding 24/7). And, perhaps the nirox are better run submerged rather than in line... just my 2 rupee.

congratulationS , it's about time sarjan get up his lazy butt and do this thread .. . as for the rest lets keep this thread clean and for discussion just use the watercooling discussion thread.

Here a little something from me:

For further reading and understanding please have a look at the links below:

1. The Best Pump Guide

2. A VERY Introductory Guide to Watercooling

3. Evaluation of Thermochill Rads (Black Ice Xtreme)

4. Another Basic Guide at XtremeSystems(Warning, they're using a bit harsh words )


i'll edit my post from time to time to add more links and reading material..

geeshhh... talk about heads lost... berro, if you kinda skint try dual nirox instead, or dump the rad fer a single and keep the nirox. (is it still good ol' nirox?).. hehehe..


O.T.: Sarjan and ucai.. hayaa doin mate?

This post has been edited by amok: Nov 10 2008, 11:39 PM

Yea.. yeah.. there one chap who did that a few years ago...whose that leng chai's name ar? forget ledi... finally bought himself a Swifty's mcp...


and FYI....it's Mister 6A12T T to you sonny.

This post has been edited by amok: Nov 18 2008, 02:45 AM