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post Nov 16 2010, 09:43 PM, updated 15y ago

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Day 1

Group A
1. | oGsMC | Jang, Min-Chul | (Protoss) |
2. | LiberoPrime | Kim, Tae-In | (Terran) |
3. | Syj | Jun, Yong-Soo | (Terran) |
4. |ST_HopeTorture | Kim, Sung-Je | (Terran) |
5. | sCKaL | Kim, Seung-Chul | (Terran) |
6. | 몽몽귀 | Lee, Jung-Soo | (Terran) |
7. | LiquidHayprO | Hayder Hussein | (Zerg) |
8. | LiquidJinro | Jonathan Walsh | (Terran) |

Group B
1. | cOreZenith | Ahn, Jung-Min | (Protoss) |
2. | oGsZenio | Choi, Jung-Min | (Zerg) |
3. | Sleep | Kim, Sung-Han | (Zerg) |
4. | Liberty(Moon) | Jang, Jae-Ho | (Zerg) |
5. | TSL_GuineaPig | Kim, Hyun-Tae | (Protoss) |
6. | anyproPrime | Lee, Jung-Hwan | (Protoss) |
7. | TSL_Clide | Han, Gyu-Jong | (Terran) |
8. | oGsHyperdub | Kim, Yoo-Jong | (Terran) |

Group C
1. | PoltPrime | Choi, Sung-Hoon | (Terran) |
2. | NSPJoon | Lee, Joon | (Zerg) |
3. | MakaPrime | Kwak, Han-Eul | (Terran) |
4. | NEXChoa | Shim, Jae-Yong | (Protoss) |
5. | HongUnPrime | Ahn, Hong-Uk | (Protoss) |
6. | cyrano | Kim, Yong-Jin | (Protoss) |
7. | DreamizEr | Lee, Sang-Yong | (Zerg) |
8. | annyungPrime | Moon, Hak-Sun | (Zerg) |

Group D
1. | ST_무작위왕 | Shin, Jung-Min | (Zerg) |
2. | JunwiPrime | Park, Gyung-Lak | (Zerg) |
3. | gumiho | Go, Byung-Jae | (Random) |
4. | NEXDrug | Gwun, Jin-Young | (Zerg) |
5. | oGsTheWind | Park, Sang-Ik | (Zerg) |
6. | Leenock | Lee, Dong-Nyung | (Zerg) |
7. | NEXON | Kim, Young-Il | (Terran) |
8. | TheBestfOu | Kim, Chan-Min | (Terran) |

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Day 2

Group A
1. | IMNesTea | Lim, Jae-Duk | (Zerg) |
2. | TSL_FruitDealer | Kim, Won-Gi | (Zerg) |
3. | oGsVINES | Lee, Sang-Hun | (Protoss) |
4. | 시나브로 | Kim, Nam-Gyu | (Terran) |
5. | sAviOr | Tak, Hyun-Seung | (Zerg) |
6. | jookToJung | Cho, Man-Hyuk | (Zerg) |
7. | LiquidRet | Joseph de Kroon | (Zerg) |
8. | 창조의 아침 | Jung, Seung-Il | (Zerg) |

Group B
1. | Destination | Jung, Hye-Joon | (Terran) |
2. | NEXLine | Kim, Soo-Ho | (Zerg) |
3. | Sen | Yang Chia Cheng | (Terran) |
4. | STX | Han, Ih-Seok | (Terran) |
5. | EGIdrA| Greg Fields | (Zerg) |
6. | Aya | Song, Yung-Min | (Terran) |
7. | Bless | Park, Joon | (Terran) |
8. | Lots | Yoon, Sung-Hoon | (Terran) |

Group C
1. | choyafOu | Lee, Hyung-Sup | (Protoss) |
2. | OptimusPrime(BoxeR) | Lee, Jung-Hoon | (Terran) |
3. | 토샤드 | Yoon, Joong-Wook | (Zerg) |
4. | SlayerSBoxeR | Lim, Yo-Hwan | (Terran) |
5. | KyrixZenith | Han, Joon | (Zerg) |
6. | IMMVP | Jung, Jong-Hyun | (Terran) |
7. | ST_꼬부기 | Park, Hyun-Woo | (Protoss) |
8. | GoldenfOu | Jo, Myung-Hwan | (Zerg) |

Group D
1. | ST_July | Park, Sung-Joon | (Zerg) |
2. | BanBansZenith | Seo, Myung-Duk | (Protoss) |
3. | TSL_Rain | Park, Seo-Yong | (Terran) |
4. | CheckPrime | Lee, Hyung-Joo | (Zerg) |
5. | 꼬마 | Kim, Jung-Gyun | (Terran) |
6. | NEXGenius | Jung, Min-Soo | (Protoss) |
7. | ButterflyEffect | Baek, Seung-Joo | (Terran) |
8. | NEXNaYa | Kim, Chan-Joong | (Zerg) |

Terran : 25, Protoss : 12, Zerg : 26, Random : 1
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post Nov 16 2010, 09:45 PM

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post Nov 16 2010, 09:56 PM

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Why so little protoss? Bliz pls neft other races! lol
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post Nov 16 2010, 09:58 PM

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3. | Sen | Yang Chia Cheng | (Terran) |

Sen terran ??


Added on November 16, 2010, 9:59 pmoo HuK didn't qualify eh

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post Nov 16 2010, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(staticxtreme @ Nov 16 2010, 09:58 PM)
3. | Sen | Yang Chia Cheng | (Terran) |

Sen terran ??


Added on November 16, 2010, 9:59 pmoo HuK didn't qualify eh
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nt sure why, i got it from gom themselves...

ya huk lost 1-2 to aya (GSL2 terran top32)
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QUOTE(staticxtreme @ Nov 16 2010, 09:58 PM)
3. | Sen | Yang Chia Cheng | (Terran) |

Sen terran ??


Added on November 16, 2010, 9:59 pmoo HuK didn't qualify eh
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shocking.gif TLO and NaDa also no quali?
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post Nov 16 2010, 10:10 PM

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post Nov 16 2010, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 16 2010, 10:01 PM)
shocking.gif  TLO and NaDa also no quali?
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tlo nvr joined...
nada eliminated...

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 16 2010, 10:10 PM)
Is CheckPrime Check[Pooh] from warcraft 3?
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ya the war3 player
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post Nov 16 2010, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 16 2010, 10:11 PM)
tlo nvr joined...
nada eliminated...
ya the war3 player
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NAda click and type too much and forgot to make SCV so loose. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Nov 16 2010, 10:31 PM)
NAda click and type too much and forgot to make SCV so loose.  laugh.gif
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i think he was hitting on the one girl
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post Nov 16 2010, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Nov 16 2010, 10:31 PM)
NAda click and type too much and forgot to make SCV so loose.  laugh.gif
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he is already class S so doesnt matter to him...
it matter for tester T.T
time to quit toss man...
go terran like he did in clanwar...
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post Nov 16 2010, 11:06 PM

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Any news on Tester/SSKS? and salute to the dude who went random!
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post Nov 16 2010, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(chikhan @ Nov 16 2010, 11:06 PM)
Any news on Tester/SSKS? and salute to the dude who went random!
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Tester is out.
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post Nov 17 2010, 12:22 AM

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kelian tester and ssks lorx....tester paling kesian. now at least everyone in liquid house had qualified at least once. other than nazgul the manager...
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post Nov 17 2010, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 17 2010, 12:22 AM)
kelian tester and ssks lorx....tester paling kesian. now at least everyone in liquid house had qualified at least once. other than nazgul the manager...
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Tester and sSKS is the same person rclxub.gif
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post Nov 17 2010, 12:30 AM

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whoa 2 winners in a same group? that should be interesting
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post Nov 17 2010, 01:25 AM

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So little protoss... what for me to keep doing research on it? Blizzard do something T_T
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post Nov 17 2010, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Nov 17 2010, 12:30 AM)
whoa 2 winners in a same group? that should be interesting
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this is not the grouping for the finals, its just the qualification groups


Added on November 17, 2010, 1:30 am
QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 17 2010, 12:22 AM)
kelian tester and ssks lorx....tester paling kesian. now at least everyone in liquid house had qualified at least once. other than nazgul the manager...
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they are the same person -__"

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post Nov 17 2010, 10:43 AM

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when will be the ronud of 64 ?
and will it be streamed ?
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post Nov 17 2010, 03:28 PM

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will be streamed for sure, dunno when yet


Added on November 17, 2010, 3:30 pmGOMtv.net
Before the actual start of the Season 3 tournament on Nov. 22nd, we will open the Season 3 webpage later today. Also the Season tickets for Season 3 will be available at the Premium Zone of the Season 3 webpage. Follow the link for the specifics. http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens2/news/274


Added on November 17, 2010, 3:33 pmWe noticed that a lot of people are requesting to see the games of the Preliminary Rounds to see how the players qualified or disqualified. So we will provide the game VODs of the GSL Season 3 Preliminary Rounds.



Gisado will select about 50 games from the Preliminaries and broadcast these games throughout a 3 day period. We will upload the VODs of these broadcasts on our Season 3 website, which will be opened later today.



Please understand that the broadcast is in Korean and since we broadcast the replays of each games the quality maybe a bit lower than our usual VODs.



To watch these VODs does not require any Season tickets and will be available for free just by signing into our website. The VODs will be available until the start of GSL Season 3, so the VODs will be deleted on Nov 22nd along with the comments under each VOD.



We hope a lot of you can enjoy the great games from the GSL Season 3 Preliminary Rounds. Thank you.



GOMtv.net

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post Nov 17 2010, 05:12 PM

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Artosis : NaDa. More interestingly...a girl!

*Stalker mode activated*

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this is niceeee....got more vods to watch nw laugh.gif
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post Nov 17 2010, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(radkliler @ Nov 17 2010, 05:12 PM)

Artosis : NaDa. More interestingly...a girl!

*Stalker mode activated*
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slow...
was already posted in the previous GSL thread + linda's thread =p

ps: fixed ur whitebox

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post Nov 17 2010, 10:26 PM

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Sorry for being slow boss. sad.gif
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post Nov 17 2010, 10:31 PM

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Why majority of the girls like to use Toss I can never understand.
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post Nov 17 2010, 10:46 PM

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taeyon from SNSD said protoss is clean cuz no red blood when die....
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Sorry for being slow boss. sad.gif
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u need to apologize for the whitebox aso thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 17 2010, 10:46 PM)
taeyon from SNSD said protoss is clean cuz no red blood when die....
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ZOMG REALlY??? AHHHHH LOVES FROM TAEYEON I CAN FEEL IT~~~ WOOOT!!!
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 17 2010, 10:46 PM)
taeyon from SNSD said protoss is clean cuz no red blood when die....
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+1 thumbup.gif
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post Nov 18 2010, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 17 2010, 11:42 PM)
ZOMG REALlY??? AHHHHH LOVES FROM TAEYEON I CAN FEEL IT~~~ WOOOT!!!
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But can they beat linda or that stalked girl? rolleyes.gif
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Round 64 matches are up

64A - 2010 11/22
(Z)NesTea vs (T)Jys
(P)oGsVines vs (Z)Sen
(T)LittleBoy vs (Z)JookToJung
(T)MakaPrime vs (Z)Sleep
(Z)oGsTheWinD vs (Z)GoldenfOu

64B - 2010 11/23
(T)Rache vs (P)BoogieBoy
(Z)DreamizEr vs (T)Rain
(T)Libero vs (P)Genius
(T)RainBOw vs (Z)NewDawn
(T)BitByBit vs (Z)HayprO

64C - 2010 11/23
(Z)Tosyad vs (Z)FruitDealer
(T)sCfOu vs (T)Bless
(P)anyproPrime vs (T)TheBestfOu
(Z)NEXNaya vs (P)HongUnPrime

64D - 2010 11/24
(Z)ret vs (P)Cyrano
(T)JSLZenith vs (Z)Kyrix
(T)BoxeRPrime vs (Z)NEXLine
®GuMihofOu vs (Z)Monster
(P)GuineaPig vs (Z)Junwi

64E - 2010 11/24
(T)Clide vs (Z)Leenock
(Z)Max vs (T)oGsHyperdub
(P)oGsMC vs (T)OdinMvP
(Z)July vs (P)cOreZenith

64F - 2010 11/25
(T)aLivefOu vs (Z)oGsZenio
(T)PoltPrime vs (Z)NsP.Joon
(T)Jinro vs (Z)NEXDrug
(Z)Moon vs (T)ButterflyEffect
(Z)IdrA vs (P)NEXChoa

64G - 2010 11/25
(T)IMMVP vs (P)Banbanssu
(Z)AnnYeong vs (P)Choya
(T)Destination vs (Z)CheckPrime
(T)SlayerSBoxeR vs (T)NEXON

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Later top 32 =

16 Zerg vs 16 terran

Would it be happened?

TOSS is totally kick out from the korpula sector. sad.gif

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QUOTE(mic1981 @ Nov 18 2010, 01:11 PM)
Later top 32 =

16 Zerg vs 16 terran

Would it be happened?

TOSS is totally kick out from the korpula sector. sad.gif
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Blizz need to OP toss. poor toss
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some vids found on teamliquid's forums. Watch HuK get knocked out.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=169690
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QUOTE(mic1981 @ Nov 18 2010, 01:11 PM)
Later top 32 =

16 Zerg vs 16 terran

Would it be happened?

TOSS is totally kick out from the korpula sector. sad.gif
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u'll never know lol
but i think nexgenius should get through ro64 at least unless he get cheesed (weak against cheeses), playing his standard (players have the perfect build order counter to the nexgenius PvT) or build order lost (lol banshee when u dun go robo or thor rush when u get 2 sentry)
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Nov 18 2010, 09:13 AM)
But can they beat linda or that stalked girl?  rolleyes.gif
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It doesn't matter, as long as she plays starcraft and love toss. blush.gif

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 18 2010, 02:07 PM)
It doesn't matter, as long as she plays starcraft and love toss. blush.gif
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cute ppl <3 toss
nuff' said =p
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 18 2010, 02:09 PM)
cute ppl <3 toss
nuff' said =p
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I wouldn't imagine how would you call tester is cute. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 18 2010, 02:14 PM)
I wouldn't imagine how would you call tester is cute. tongue.gif
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cute at the heart?
gals on the other hand cute in appearance LOL...
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-.-....speechless
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http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/vod/?page=1

VoDs from the preliminaries...
they'll get updated from time to time and removed when the real GSL started (before 22nd) so watch them fast
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Tester is cute what. I love the way he expressed himself after he beat the rush from Hyperdub. So cool and yet confident. Like Faceless Void in DotA.
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post Nov 18 2010, 09:36 PM

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i dun care tester or nexgenius. i would fly to korea to watch live if taeyon or her mates are in GSL.
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post Nov 22 2010, 06:59 PM

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nestea 1-1 jys
JYS play very very well in game 2...
gotta go dinner so cant watch game 3 >.<
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Thats one crazy terran build by Goma

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post Nov 23 2010, 12:15 AM

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Tonight's VODs are up now at SC2Rep.com!
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1st foreigner in Ro32, Sen from taiwan.

biggest upset, ogsthewind (wtfbbq$%^&*)

watching makaprime play against sleep is like watching Manchester United roflstomping malaysian football teams.

i dun think i need to spoiler here gua.....as ppl who are concern of gsl 3 till can come lowyat share news shud had watched already...but if i spoiler it will be btr, pls tell me.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 23 2010, 12:59 AM)
1st foreigner in Ro32, Sen from taiwan.

biggest upset, ogsthewind (wtfbbq$%^&*)

watching makaprime play against sleep is like watching Manchester United roflstomping malaysian football teams.

i dun think i need to spoiler here gua.....as ppl who are concern of gsl 3 till can come lowyat share news shud had watched already...but if i spoiler it will be btr, pls tell me.
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dun think there's a need for spoiler...
sen's game really nt up to his usual standard...
it seemed like he is on a slump (his qualification group in the prelims was really ez from sotg podcast)
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LittleBoy - He is the one who took out Tester in qualification round?
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Nov 23 2010, 01:33 AM)
LittleBoy - He is the one who took out Tester in qualification round?
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apparently so from his interview
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 23 2010, 01:36 AM)
apparently so from his interview
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Lol! Spoiler! I'm just about to get excited watching LittleBoy vs. jookToJung T.T
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Omg, in 2nd game JookToJung actually smashed all his Blings into LittleBoy's SCVs. I think he just attack move with the Blings. Huge mistake.

Anyway I like the double Banshees with cloak timing push in first game.
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Anybody know what time today's game start??
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As usual, 6pm.
You can always check it by clicking the live stream in gomtv.

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 23 2010, 08:28 AM)
As usual, 6pm.
You can always check it by clicking the live stream in gomtv.
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Korea is GMT +9. We are GMT +8. Which means the next session which is at 1pm today is at 12pm M'sian time (live stream that is).

November 23 2010 1pm KST
(T)Rache vs (P)BoogieBoy: Steppes of War, Xel'Naga Caverns, Jungle Basin
(Z)DreamizEr vs (T)Rain: Shakuras Plateau, Jungle Basin, Xel'Naga Caverns
(T)Libero vs (P)Genius: Metalopolis, Xel'Naga Caverns, Shakuras Plateau
(T)RainBOw vs (Z)NewDawn: Metalopolis, Shakuras Plateau, Steppes of War
(T)BitByBit vs (Z)HayprO: Blistering Sands, Scrap Station, Xel'Naga Caverns

November 23 2010 7pm KST
(Z)Tosyad vs (Z)FruitDealer: Scrap Station, Jungle Basin, Metalopolis
(T)sCfOu vs (T)Bless: Metalopolis, Lost Temple, Scrap Station
(P)anyproPrime vs (T)TheBestfOu: Lost Temple, Steppes of War, Metalopolis
(Z)NEXNaya vs (P)HongUnPrime Delta Quadrant, Metalopolis, Jungle Basin

btw do update here with the results guys. I can't access gomtv in the office cry.gif

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 23 2010, 01:29 AM)
dun think there's a need for spoiler...
sen's game really nt up to his usual standard...
it seemed like he is on a slump (his qualification group in the prelims was really ez from sotg podcast)
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now he is up against nestea so it doesnt really matters how is his condition lol..


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Korea is GMT +9. We are GMT +8. Which means the next session which is at 1pm today is at 12pm M'sian time (live stream that is).

November 23 2010 1pm KST
(T)Rache vs (P)BoogieBoy: Steppes of War, Xel'Naga Caverns, Jungle Basin
(Z)DreamizEr vs (T)Rain: Shakuras Plateau, Jungle Basin, Xel'Naga Caverns
(T)Libero vs (P)Genius: Metalopolis, Xel'Naga Caverns, Shakuras Plateau
(T)RainBOw vs (Z)NewDawn: Metalopolis, Shakuras Plateau, Steppes of War
(T)BitByBit vs (Z)HayprO: Blistering Sands, Scrap Station, Xel'Naga Caverns

November 23 2010 7pm KST
(Z)Tosyad vs (Z)FruitDealer: Scrap Station, Jungle Basin, Metalopolis
(T)sCfOu vs (T)Bless: Metalopolis, Lost Temple, Scrap Station
(P)anyproPrime vs (T)TheBestfOu: Lost Temple, Steppes of War, Metalopolis
(Z)NEXNaya vs (P)HongUnPrime Delta Quadrant, Metalopolis, Jungle Basin

btw do update here with the results guys.  I can't access gomtv in the office  cry.gif
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Ei, now they got afternoon session ah? Past 2 season they only do it on evening which is 7PM KST, that's why i said as usual 6pm, i know the timezone.
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dunno bout last 2 seasons but taken from team liquid website.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=169922
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 23 2010, 10:59 AM)
Ei, now they got afternoon session ah? Past 2 season they only do it on evening which is 7PM KST, that's why i said as usual 6pm, i know the timezone.
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ro64 for season 2 have afternoon sessions as well

tsl_rain manner dance at his opponent's base...
marine medic build...
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/dance

Terrible spire placement btw


Added on November 23, 2010, 1:18 pmAlso its official terran only choice is marines

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Rofl so much for another all in scv

DT rolfstomping his base
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Nov 23 2010, 01:52 PM)
Rofl so much for another all in scv

DT rolfstomping his base
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ya he muled LOL!!!
but really terran are now doing scv all-ins cause they can mule and recover easier...
the marine banshee tank raven build all-in would be unstopable if he micro well...
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ya he muled LOL!!!
but really terran are now doing scv all-ins cause they can mule and recover easier...
the marine banshee tank raven build all-in would be unstopable if he micro well...
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Terran has no energy to scan
lol dt said hi again
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Nov 23 2010, 01:57 PM)
Terran has no energy to scan
lol dt said hi again
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the blink delayed a lot for DTs by sniping thor...
else its gg...
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well, protoss warp gate all in at korean server is ghey also....on liquid weekly today huk was complaining theres like 8 zealot 4 stalker and 18 probes when wg finishes? not very sure on the figure tho.
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SNAP THE CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i dun think its possible...
my fren in the KR server said that their PvP have so many variations that it keeps u crazy...
DT, VRs, warp prism, immortal drops, everything u can think off...
but i dun think u can get 8 zealot 4 stalker b4 WG unless ur delay ur WG (2 gate before core)


Added on November 23, 2010, 2:47 pm2 rax -> 4 rax marine ripping every zerg apart!

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 23 2010, 02:36 PM)
2 rax -> 4 rax marine ripping every zerg apart!
quote for truth.

b4 this, i had problem using this build against 7RR few weeks ago but when you perfect all the timings, it will just be so sweet. now i feel a bit boring cuz i almost always mass marine to start, force roaches and go marauders roflstomp. if they go baneling, i will foxer them. if infestor, its harder but i know he lose alot of gases so i will just mass expand and mass trade unit....

owh, whenever i successfully foxered someone, the feeling is just so awesome i will share with my family and friends <3
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so boring TvT match, from scfou vs lyn. arg... viking and tanks
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i hate viking and tanks. -.- anyone who dont do that earns my respect because its hard to pull off.
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QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Nov 23 2010, 07:16 PM)
so boring TvT match, from scfou vs lyn. arg... viking and tanks
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i like tank viking...
used to hate it till i realize how much strategy and decision making it involve...
better than ZvZ still (BO gamble)
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Day 3 of GSL! Will Ret advance when his team mate failed? Will Marineking use all marines again? What race(s) will Gumiho (who plays random) get in his games?

Interviews of the winners from Day 1 and Day 2 can be found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=171013
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guinea pig is one of the 2 ppl i've ever seen that do this strat so well...
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izit me or GOM player very slow?
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kyrix lost 0-2 straight. ret is the 2nd foreigner in ro32. foreigners are not shabby at all!!!!
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 24 2010, 04:53 PM)
izit me or GOM player very slow?
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i cant watch live coz too lag. even watch video replay also need press pause let the video load 1st .
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2molo is the big day!!!!

Zenio playing
Poltprime playing
Jinro playing someone from NEX clan
MOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN playyyyyinnnnggg
but his opponent is butterfly effect =/ though chance huh...
Idra playing
IMMVP playing
Slayers Boxer playing
Checkprime playing

almost 1 big name in every game..
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QUOTE(nagflar @ Nov 24 2010, 11:40 PM)
i cant watch live coz too lag. even watch video replay also need press pause let the video load 1st .
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i watch on restreams now lol...
my conenction to gom is <450kbps T.T
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i just discovered the joys of watching on GOMtv yesterday. so sad that can only watch the first game of every series.

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need restream link, gom so lagggg


Added on November 25, 2010, 3:02 pmGG now no more connection limit

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artosis is such a whiner that its getting annoying...
every matchup is hard for zerg...
any1 who have problem against zerg is a noob...
LOL


Added on November 25, 2010, 3:59 pmidra's opponent is so noob

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Graken is solid even in the early game now happy.gif
I wish i can pull that Idralisk rush by graken. Watching him do it give u an idea how solid his micro is. If foreigner wins this gsl, that will be a huge slap to the korean
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hoho moon and idra won.
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QUOTE(pakabluegun @ Nov 25 2010, 04:08 PM)
Graken is solid even in the early game now happy.gif
I wish i can pull that Idralisk rush by graken.  Watching him do it give u an idea how solid his micro is.  If foreigner wins this gsl, that will be a huge slap to the korean
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that roach rush is totally sick timing against those greedy cannon but........ur later comment might be wayyyy too carried away -.- idra's opponent is just a noname....winning gsl means winning ALL koreans, err...good luck in that idra.
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edit...wrong post

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ogsMC waved liuid Huk's jersey after winning, lol...he roflstomped the guy who roflstomped Huk. revenge in name? or roflstomping foreigners?


Added on November 25, 2010, 6:29 pmmoon against liquidjinro in ro32.....sry, im on Moon this time although i sincerely wish other foreigners can reach ro16. too bad 5th race is here.

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Nice marines but check out my banes
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 25 2010, 06:12 PM)
ogsMC waved liuid Huk's jersey after winning, lol...he roflstomped the guy who roflstomped Huk. revenge in name? or roflstomping foreigners?


Added on November 25, 2010, 6:29 pmmoon against liquidjinro in ro32.....sry, im on Moon this time although i sincerely wish other foreigners can reach ro16. too bad 5th race is here.
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actually HuK lost to aya, not him


Added on November 25, 2010, 7:43 pmbtw jinro will roflstomp him...
jinro is the best terran foreigner...

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lost first game because of banes
2nd game still goes 5rax all marines with scv and expect to win
Get rolled again with banes and f***s up in economy

Checked mate

Next match is the emperor himself

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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Nov 25 2010, 07:44 PM)
lost first game because of banes
2nd game still goes 5rax all marines with scv and expect to win
Get rolled again with banes and f***s up in economy

Checked mate

Next match is the emperor himself
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yeah...sumore he expanded but didn't fully ultilize it =.="

emperor nw !! woohoo ~
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 25 2010, 07:42 PM)
actually HuK lost to aya, not him


Added on November 25, 2010, 7:43 pmbtw jinro will roflstomp him...
jinro is the best terran foreigner...
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im rooting for my war3 idol <3<3

im not BW player, i changed to war3 when it was released XD so moon ftw!! too bad lyn die d....check...meh....zenio was ex-war3 player too
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Behind in economy
Use scv as meatshield thinking it will work
Get derped hard


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Emperor maphacked !!! haha.....
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 25 2010, 08:11 PM)
boxer 1-0 up <3
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Any direct link? pls pls... i m emperor's fan

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Any direct link? pls pls... i m emperor's fans
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oops its over...
i didn check this thread and went to drop my fren >.<
just stream it on gomtv.net next time
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 25 2010, 09:04 PM)
oops its over...
i didn check this thread and went to drop my fren >.<
just stream it on gomtv.net next time
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cry.gif

btw, izzit a "Go Live" button?

So are there any replay of this match?

Thanks ya smile.gif

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cry.gif

btw, izzit a "Go Live"  button?

So are there any replay of this match?

Thanks ya  smile.gif
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only game 1 is free to view...
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only game 1 is free to view...
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alright, will be staying awake for the next match... 2moro 6pm?
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alright, will be staying awake for the next match... 2moro 6pm?
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http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/schedule/
check here =p

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same site btw


Added on November 25, 2010, 9:31 pm

http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/schedule/
check here =p
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Nov 26 2010, 08:19 AM)
notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  ty
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pls be aware tat their time is GMT+9 while ours is GMT+8 smile.gif
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hey bro evo did u watch TSL rain vs genius?

the 2nd game he did a tank raven banshee with marine push is that the new timing attack that you were mentioning?

wow it was awesome i wonder how to block such things@@
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 26 2010, 08:24 PM)
hey bro evo did u watch TSL rain vs genius?

the 2nd game he did a tank raven banshee with marine push is that the new timing attack that you were mentioning?

wow it was awesome i wonder how to block such things@@
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to block it you need high templar to snipe PDD, sentry to focus down raven and banshee. its very hard, another delayed version of polt timing attack, with tanks inside to demolish ground unit. it literally rapes gate + robo build IMO, gate + stargate is quite ok cuz ur timing is earlier. but PvT, rarely protoss dont go robo because of clock banshee. i dno how to deal with it but im omnomnoming protoss with this build. lost once to proxy stargate void ray because i mismicroed my marines, he snipe all my marines and void ray rapes others.


anyway just revised the table. If BoxeR wins poltprime and Moon wins Jinro, they will meet each other in Ro8 <3<3<3 but both polt and Jinro are no small name =(((( Boxer tvt is strong, moon.........im just gonna hope he win. if airplanes can be shooting star, i will make a wish Moon will win.
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 26 2010, 08:24 PM)
hey bro evo did u watch TSL rain vs genius?

the 2nd game he did a tank raven banshee with marine push is that the new timing attack that you were mentioning?

wow it was awesome i wonder how to block such things@@
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nope didnt watch...
was out wit gf (harry potter) but i've read about it (live report)...
ya its the marine tank banshee raven build...
the best part bout this build is that u can move the banshee to his mineral line and move ur bunker/ tanks forward...
its the standard TvP for korean (polt timing is out of fashion there)...
its delayed from the polt timing for tanks but the tanks make a big difference allowing u to def easier from early pushes as well...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 27 2010, 02:20 AM)
nope didnt watch...
was out wit gf (harry potter) but i've read about it (live report)...
ya its the marine tank banshee raven build...
the best part bout this build is that u can move the banshee to his mineral line and move ur bunker/ tanks forward...
its the standard TvP for korean (polt timing is out of fashion there)...
its delayed from the polt timing for tanks but the tanks make a big difference allowing u to def easier from early pushes as well...
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exactly. in SEA, im not sure if alot terran uses this as i dun play toss but its working brilliantly for me, some of the toss ask me how to avoid it... now i had pushed forward the timing to 2-3 tanks than push out, research siege mode while moving out, when reach there can contain. if u r moving out, tanks move too slow in certain map i only reinforce marine and banshees...
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There're actually a lot of different timings to carry out this. You can even wait until your opponent has 3 Colo and by that time you would already have 2 Banshees, 2 PDDs ready on one raven, and 2 Vikings out (Jinro's first game vs. TTone in MLG Dallas final).
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I see.. Quest are you a terran? If you are would you like to train with an average toss?(me) I've not experience this strategy before.. Pm me your email biggrin.gif thanks!
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epic game in GSL 3:
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instead of this flag user posted image for taiwan in GSL lol.
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once again protoss fail....
but abit too much la always depend on genius...where is inca and other good protoss player?
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Nov 28 2010, 01:47 PM)
once again protoss fail....
but abit too much la always depend on genius...where is inca and other good protoss player?
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tester (3rd in GOMtv allstar b4 gsl 3), inca, sangho etc didnt qualify...

u cant really blame genius...
if u experienced scv all-in personally u would understand why is it so hard to defend...
and the marine tank banshee raven is just hell...
for PvT i agree with day9, the first 15minute of the game is hell, if u can survived that u are somewhat in the lead...
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Nov 28 2010, 01:28 PM)
Wow they acctually used user posted image
instead of this flag user posted image for taiwan in GSL lol.
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sure big flame war from mainland and taiwan....they just bring in the land's ownership in EVERY issue, let it be food, sport, singers, youtube, facebook and now starcraft. sen is a taiwan player tho....but mainland ppl sure say he is a china player..if Sen denies, Sen will die. lol f91, loner and luffy is mainland player tho if i rmb correctly.


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hey guys today is the round of 32s for group B.
drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif
NewDawn(Z) vs BitByBit(T) on Steppes of War
NewDawn vs BitByBit on Shakuras Plateau
NewDawn vs BitByBit on Xel'Naga Caverns

FruitDealer(Z) vs sC(T) on Xel'Naga Caverns
FruitDealer vs sC on Steppes of War
FruitDealer vs sC on Delta Quadrant

Ret(Z) vs TheBest(T) on Metalopolis
Ret vs TheBest on Steppes of War
Ret vs TheBest on Jungle Basin

HongUn(P) vs JSL(T) on Lost Temple
HongUn vs JSL on Delta Quadrant
HongUn vs JSL on Jungle Basin


Lets make things interesting. Post your predictions by copying and bolding the winner of each game. See below for my predictions.

NewDawn vs BitByBit on Steppes of War
NewDawn vs BitByBit on Shakuras Plateau
NewDawn vs BitByBit on Xel'Naga Caverns
Bitbybit(T) wins 2-1.

FruitDealer vs sC on Xel'Naga Caverns
FruitDealer vs sC on Steppes of War
FruitDealer vs sC on Delta Quadrant
sC(T) wins 2-0. Fruid Dealer screwed because of the maps.

Ret vs TheBest on Metalopolis
Ret vs TheBest on Steppes of War
Ret vs TheBest on Jungle Basin
Ret(Z) 2-1. thumbup.gif

HongUn vs JSL on Lost Temple
HongUn vs JSL on Delta Quadrant
HongUn vs JSL on Jungle Basin
Hong Un(P) 2-0.

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zerg will finally adapt nt to hatch first and get earlier roach to defend the 2 rax build...
so today would be
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- ret
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- jsl (hongun is nt good enuff to beat jsl)
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fruity also been getting pool + speed 1st then oni hatch...
i guess koreans are too aggressive...so far oni nestea maintain the hatch 1st build...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 29 2010, 12:08 PM)
zerg will finally adapt nt to hatch first and get earlier roach to defend the 2 rax build...
so today would be
- newdawn
- ret
- fruity
- jsl (hongun is nt good enuff to beat jsl)
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QUOTE(aLertz @ Nov 29 2010, 12:34 PM)
fruity also been getting pool + speed 1st then oni hatch...
i guess koreans are too aggressive...so far oni nestea maintain the hatch 1st build...
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i really hope cool will not go 14 hatch...
last GSL he got owned by foxer in both game bcoz of that... sad.gif

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will be so happy if ret wins.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 29 2010, 04:43 PM)
will be so happy if ret wins.
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HE WILL (/pray)
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today's TL stream really sucked for me -,-"
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pretty good games today (though the first match is weird and scv all-ins sleep.gif")
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OH NOesssssssssssss Ret lost... sad.gif
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hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!
thank u hongun for the carriers!!!!!
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anyone got the good restream link? team liquid link all very lag atm.
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try ZeusWTFrudoin's link
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guess that i have no luck today, hows the score now? marineking won the 1st match?
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Chances MarineKing will loose
1-1 now
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what he go? allin again?
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Nvm foxer is in

QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Nov 30 2010, 06:36 PM)
what he go? allin again?
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Monster punished him badly during the 2nd round for attacking early

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the game 3 was bad baneling control i feel...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 30 2010, 06:46 PM)
the game 3 was bad baneling control i feel...
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Woohoo... gogogo MarineKing...foxer foxer foxer!! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 30 2010, 06:46 PM)
the game 3 was good marine control i feel...
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fixed
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 30 2010, 06:46 PM)
the game 3 were good marine and bad baneling control i feel...
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 30 2010, 07:03 PM)
fixed
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Double fixed. gg no re
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user posted image

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had been updated b4. anyway its just fact that as long as you have gosu micro, marine > everything. TLO oso said zergling > everything with gosu micro (same amount of food) i think for protoss....its abit hard but imma FF hater so im going to say sentry > everything with gosu micro.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Nov 30 2010, 09:19 PM)
had been updated b4. anyway its just fact that as long as you have gosu micro, marine > everything. TLO oso said zergling > everything with gosu micro (same amount of food) i think for protoss....its abit hard but imma FF hater so im going to say sentry > everything with gosu micro.
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Not applicable to Zerglings. If you have Gosu micro still you cannot attack air. I can just lift off my buildings and sing the song "Banelings... banelings... banelings... oh my...".
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Can we download Foxer replay? Wanna know how he control his marine i.e. seperate all his marine in so many direction. In sc2rep.com only stream available, no replay for GSL...
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i think theres no actual replay pack available. but VODs are still around, with commentators...neither first person view on demand too...

basically from what we can see....he doesnt hotkey marines into several groups. which means........he green boxes those marines into small groups and moved them. with insane APM....its obviously harder than control 1,2,3,4,5 and split into 5 directions....
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Nov 30 2010, 11:54 PM)
Can we download Foxer replay? Wanna know how he control his marine i.e. seperate all his marine in so many direction. In sc2rep.com only stream available, no replay for GSL...
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err you can check HD Star craft channel.... (his VOD a bit pening lately...dunno what the heck he's talking about..) sweat.gif

he casted foxer vs fruitdealer for 3 games (GSL)
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 1 2010, 12:10 AM)
i think theres no actual replay pack available. but VODs are still around, with commentators...neither first person view on demand too...

basically from what we can see....he doesnt hotkey marines into several groups. which means........he green boxes those marines into small groups and moved them. with insane APM....its obviously harder than control 1,2,3,4,5 and split into 5 directions....
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Thats why he is the rising Idol... Btw, Foxer idolised Boxer for it's micro ability, thats why he got such skill at this young age flex.gif

QUOTE(rontol @ Dec 1 2010, 01:24 AM)
err you can check HD Star craft channel.... (his VOD a bit pening lately...dunno what the heck he's talking about..)  sweat.gif

he casted foxer vs fruitdealer for 3 games (GSL)
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Yup I did watch that game, he is becoming my new favourites. So now I got 2, BoxeR and FoxeR... haha



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Tonight got a big game, Boxer vs PoltPrime. I simply love watching BoxeR playing TvT
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TSL_GuineaPig(P) vs IMJunwi(Z)

how to counter Guineapig phoenix + void ray rush? looks bloody imba
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imma rooting for Moon!!!! no jinro, not this time.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 1 2010, 01:51 PM)
imma rooting for Moon!!!! no jinro, not this time.
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jinro beat moon quite a number of time on ladder
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 1 2010, 02:08 PM)
jinro beat moon quite a number of time on ladder
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Nooooooo! Spirit_Monn Hwaiting!! also known as 5th race in warcraft3 ! I wonder if he could be the 4th race in starcraft 2 wink.gif
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boring TvZ...
too much TvZ this season sleep.gif"
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boring TvZ...
too much TvZ this season sleep.gif"
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sad day for me sad.gif
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idra lost but classS


Added on December 1, 2010, 8:34 pmhahahaaaaaaaaaaa check lost again.... hahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Added on December 1, 2010, 8:34 pmcheck gonna spam david kim to nerf toss LOL!

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did u guys watched JulyZerg game 2 yesteday?

lol la he.... xD
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T.T i haz a sad moon lost =((((((((((((((

no wonder today i had a 1-6 incredible losing streak =(((((((((( today is a bad day to me generally, lost to 4 zergs i think, =(((( i hate today!!!! so many loses my winlose ratio is totally f***ed up now T.T
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QUOTE(rontol @ Dec 1 2010, 08:41 PM)
did u guys watched JulyZerg game 2 yesteday?

lol la he.... xD
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I replied your reply in the starcraft 2 thread and u din reply >_>

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 1 2010, 07:50 PM)
idra lost but classS


Added on December 1, 2010, 8:34 pmhahahaaaaaaaaaaa check lost again.... hahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Added on December 1, 2010, 8:34 pmcheck gonna spam david kim to nerf toss LOL!
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Neft toss? Wtf? Nooo!!!!
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QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Dec 1 2010, 08:48 PM)
Neft toss? Wtf? Nooo!!!!
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well check always email david kim for zerg buff/ toss and terran nerfs...


Added on December 1, 2010, 9:19 pmboxer out!!!

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any other stream besides gomtv one ?
lagggy for me today sad.gif
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beh voila

http://www.justin.tv/tpfour#/w/607985840
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Pity prime! 2 all out attack get own by fruitdealer, all drone first game and baneling second game own him so hard. That show not everyone can be Fake Boxer or marineking or optimus prime (eventho they are from same clan)
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QUOTE(erni3 @ Dec 2 2010, 08:26 PM)
Pity prime! 2 all out attack get own by fruitdealer, all drone first game and baneling second game own him so hard. That show not everyone can be Fake Boxer or marineking or optimus prime (eventho they are from same clan)
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u do realize that they are the same person?
boxer (fake) = ellenpage = foxer = opetimusprime = marinekingprime
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 2 2010, 08:43 PM)
u do realize that they are the same person?
boxer (fake) = ellenpage = foxer = opetimusprime = marinekingprime
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lolx
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duh of course i know, but i dunno he use ellenpage nick. Wonder why he use so many nick?
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day9tv: Jinro's banshee has as many kills as PoltPrime has food. (38) #GSL3


Added on December 3, 2010, 9:14 pmchoya's FF in game was sick...

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omg . the free stream site is better the ori gomtv . what the hell we pay for !!!! the gomtv is lag like hell loading 1 match need take lot of time . vmad.gif
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QUOTE(nagflar @ Dec 4 2010, 11:28 AM)
omg . the free stream site is better the ori gomtv . what the hell we pay for !!!! the gomtv is lag like hell loading 1 match need take lot of time .  vmad.gif
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they have bandwith issue i believe.. around last October those haxor managed to bypass their auth protection and download VOD for free...

now the old holes are fixed...bt anybody with good reverse engineering skill still can hax it sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nagflar @ Dec 4 2010, 11:28 AM)
omg . the free stream site is better the ori gomtv . what the hell we pay for !!!! the gomtv is lag like hell loading 1 match need take lot of time .  vmad.gif
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blame tmnut...
was fine till midway into gsl2
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same here..
gomtv stream was fine during gsl 2
gsl 3 = gg
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I think its TMNut.

heard they capping speed for international sites.. to 50kbps.

Go to the Lowyat broadband forum and you will understand...


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Rain is playing so well I can't believe he is the same person that lost 100 SCVs to Banshees in Season 2!

I wish I can have insane micro like him and MarineKing.

TSL_Rain 3:2 NesTea

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winner of 2nd GSL out...
will fruity - winner of first GSL out as well? =p
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I hope a terran or a zerg win gsl again then blizz will consider buffing protoss even more ":D

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I hope a terran or a zerg win gsl again then blizz will consider buffing protoss ":D
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he is the better player so as long as he dun die to rush he would have won...
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I guess its because he it not used to other build like me when i go to much fe against zerg my brain get stuck when i go 1base LOL
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Dec 6 2010, 07:29 PM)
I hope a terran or a zerg win gsl again then blizz will consider buffing protoss even more ":D
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No they won't. Unless CheckPrime switches race to Protoss.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 6 2010, 07:34 PM)
No they won't. Unless CheckPrime switches race to Protoss.
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Added on December 6, 2010, 8:25 pmibuildwall.hongunprime


Added on December 6, 2010, 8:32 pmboth GSL champ out!!!!!!!!
meaning we have a new champ and its not a zerg...
first toss in top4 as well...

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post Dec 6 2010, 08:33 PM

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Ok no more TvZ final! Something to celebrate!
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dunno y nestea die die also wanna hatch frst sleep.gif
he is the better player so as long as he dun die to rush he would have won...
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fruitdealer eliminated to a toss DT lol
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Dec 7 2010, 03:10 AM)
fruitdealer eliminated to a toss DT lol
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Dec 6 2010, 07:33 PM)
I guess its because he it not used to other build like me when i go to much fe against zerg my brain get stuck when i go 1base LOL
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fe is too addictive...
da economy is soooooo niceeeee....

when go 1 base then oni expand i will feel like...y so low mineral 1? unsure.gif
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GG FOXER OUT, COMON PROTOSSS

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Congrats to Liquid Jinro. 1st non korean to be in the semi finals.

MC its really good.
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OMMMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG JINRO FKING MADE IT!!!
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jinro going to get pwned soon
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Protoss player so strong lately... ANd they are getting a huge buff in 1.2... Will Protoss player start the domination of sc? Love this game, dynamics of this game is changing non-stop. 1st Terran, then Zerg and now Protoss....


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jinro going to get pwned soon
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he'll made mistake and loose in the end...
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does the WE behind clan Prime stands for World Elite?
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haha season 1 and 2, the winners are Zerg.

Season 3, Zerg is not even on the semis..

I think they purposely lose the matches so that nobody can claim Zerg is OP and Blizzard will not nerf Zerg. A good conspiracy.. lol
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the WE is a clan from china IIRC, they got partnership with the team, Loner and Luffy joined prime clan so they share the name, something like teamliquid + ogs partnership
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I see I see yea the china clan is called world elites lol..
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Dec 8 2010, 10:55 AM)
haha season 1 and 2, the winners are Zerg.

Season 3, Zerg is not even on the semis..

I think they purposely lose the matches so that nobody can claim Zerg is OP and Blizzard will not nerf Zerg. A good conspiracy.. lol
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Nobody will sacrifice that big pool of money just to show Zerg is not OP. Don't think that pro-gamers are saints.
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I guess Zerg player and Terran player are too concentrated on each other races until the left out Protoss. They are paying the price now. No new tactics developed to fight Protoss lately as the important game usually is ZvT
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wonder why foxer doesnt go raven banshee build against p....or thor build...


Added on December 8, 2010, 1:17 pmjinro played raven banshee and took an easy win the 1st game, then ghost build at the 2nd game i think....and all his game went flluently..

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 8 2010, 01:16 PM)
wonder why foxer doesnt go raven banshee build against p....or thor build...


Added on December 8, 2010, 1:17 pmjinro played raven banshee and took an easy win the 1st game, then ghost build at the 2nd game i think....and all his game went flluently..
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MC is immune to MBR if you watch his games vs. Hyperdub. He definitely knows how to counter that.
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MC is immune to MBR if you watch his games vs. Hyperdub. He definitely knows how to counter that.
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OMG Jinro is so good...
oh d.amn, oGsMC vs Jinro next... sad.gif

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mind game....and wonder how OGS TL house will organize the training of both players....will they put poison in each others fodd?
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 8 2010, 01:16 PM)
wonder why foxer doesnt go raven banshee build against p....or thor build...


Added on December 8, 2010, 1:17 pmjinro played raven banshee and took an easy win the 1st game, then ghost build at the 2nd game i think....and all his game went flluently..
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Well the last game for Jinro was he was lucky that choya did a blunder. He forgot to upgrade thermal lance. LOL.

Well all I can see that is TSL_rain against oGsMC in the finals but I really hope Jinro make it to the finals.
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Well the last game for Jinro was he was lucky that choya did a blunder. He forgot to upgrade thermal lance. LOL.

Well all I can see that is TSL_rain against oGsMC in the finals but I really hope Jinro make it to the finals.
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Actually both player isn't that good. Choya really not a Last 8 material while Jinro always make reckless move that cause him the game like in game 3 and game 4. BTW, Jinro deserve to beat Choya as Jinro is a better player as we can see
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 9 2010, 02:19 PM)
Actually both player isn't that good. Choya really not a Last 8 material while Jinro always make reckless move that cause him the game like in game 3 and game 4. BTW, Jinro deserve to beat Choya as Jinro is a better player as we can see
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choya did played badly in some games but he is definitely top8 material...
he was ranked 1st in KR for some time...
and his ro16 match was really really good...
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choya did played badly in some games but he is definitely top8 material...
he was ranked 1st in KR for some time...
and his ro16 match was really really good...
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You said ranked 1st means Ladder game? I know many of pro gamer didnt really do so much ladder game as they prefer to train with their own clan mate to get higher quality game. I don't know how but you say Choya really that good, I just cant feel it after watching his GSL game. Maybe Toss don't need that much micro skill so it seems like to me he is not top 8 guy.

PS : I used to watch heavy micro game from player like Boxer and Foxer tongue.gif

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oGsMC will pwn jinro !!

But if Jinro manage to win, he will be the next star like foxer
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 9 2010, 03:16 PM)
You said ranked 1st means Ladder game? I know many of pro gamer didnt really do so much ladder game as they prefer to train with their own clan mate to get higher quality game. I don't know how but you say Choya really that good, I just cant feel it after watching his GSL game. Maybe Toss don't need that much micro skill so it seems like to me he is not top 8 guy.

PS : I used to watch heavy micro game from player like Boxer and Foxer  tongue.gif
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Toss don't need that much micro skill what?



Even if your fact is right about protoss doesn't need much micro skill, there are still cons for it.
Micro isn't everything in Starcraft afterall, it doesn't determine you're good or not.

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 9 2010, 03:16 PM)
You said ranked 1st means Ladder game? I know many of pro gamer didnt really do so much ladder game as they prefer to train with their own clan mate to get higher quality game. I don't know how but you say Choya really that good, I just cant feel it after watching his GSL game. Maybe Toss don't need that much micro skill so it seems like to me he is not top 8 guy.

PS : I used to watch heavy micro game from player like Boxer and Foxer  tongue.gif
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nt in ladder but according to blizz's MMR...
foxer was top at one point as well...
and fOu generally did very well in GSL 3...

every1 is too focused on foxer since gsl2 to really see the better players...
theSTC is still one of the best terran around as he can do multipronged drops while keeping his macro up...
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Protoss is gonna dominate... HongUn is so solid. 1-0. The storm sounds so baneling like to me.

@Keazy, I know protoss player Is gonna shoot me when I say those word. I don't mean Protoss don't need micro skill or have less micro skill. I saw also how ppl control their blink-stalker which is practically an immortal. But I think Protoss doesn't micro dependent so much. Maybe 90% of Zerg and Terran. For Terran against Zerg, micro certainly means everything when marine is facing alot of baneling, make or break of the game.

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 9 2010, 06:41 PM)
Protoss is gonna dominate... HongUn is so solid. 1-0.  The storm sounds so baneling like to me.

@Keazy, I know protoss player Is gonna shoot me when I say those word. I don't mean Protoss don't need micro skill or have less micro skill. I saw also how ppl control their blink-stalker which is practically an immortal. But I think Protoss doesn't micro dependent so much. Maybe 90% of Zerg and Terran
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1-1 now... waiting for 3rd set.
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 9 2010, 06:41 PM)
Protoss is gonna dominate... HongUn is so solid. 1-0.  The storm sounds so baneling like to me.

@Keazy, I know protoss player Is gonna shoot me when I say those word. I don't mean Protoss don't need micro skill or have less micro skill. I saw also how ppl control their blink-stalker which is practically an immortal. But I think Protoss doesn't micro dependent so much. Maybe 90% of Zerg and Terran. For Terran against Zerg, micro certainly means everything when marine is facing alot of baneling, make or break of the game.
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blink micro dun work against terran...
its all about FFs...
how many toss we see win/ loose by missing a single FF in GSL 1 2 3?
tonnes of them...
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Rain micro his way to Final... thought HongUn is gonna pawn him after watching the 1st game. Terran player usually have some really good micro. Why not me? tongue.gif

I think storm might be the answer other than FF. Just like how Foxer is beaten
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 10 2010, 01:55 AM)
Rain micro his way to Final... thought HongUn is gonna pawn him after watching the 1st game. Terran player usually have some really good micro. Why not me?  tongue.gif

I think storm might be the answer other than FF. Just like how Foxer is beaten
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storm is a little too slow to get...
that's y most ppl still prefer to go colossus...
since u need robo for obs...

still hongun was nt playing really seriously...
as he said, he was putting on a good show...
winner from GSL 3 would be either jinro or mc for sure...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 10 2010, 02:07 AM)
storm is a little too slow to get...
that's y most ppl still prefer to go colossus...
since u need robo for obs...

still hongun was nt playing really seriously...
as he said, he was putting on a good show...
winner from GSL 3 would be either jinro or mc for sure...
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So many underdogs achieving great this season, all the hot favourite had down
If Jinro win GSL 3, the Korean will import Flash and Jaedong to SC2 to save their face in GSL 4. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 10 2010, 08:00 AM)
So many underdogs achieving great this season, all the hot favourite had down
If Jinro win GSL 3, the Korean will import Flash and Jaedong to SC2 to save their face in GSL 4.  tongue.gif
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Since when did Flash and Jaedong turn into God?

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Since when did Flash and Jaedong turn into God?
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jinro 0-2!!
damn!! cmon don let tat lansi kia win.. doh.gif
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3-0. MC is rushing while Jinro expand..
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oGsMC knows how jinro plays very well since both of them live under the same roof... u cannot say MC is lan si, when it comes to money, there's no i let you, you let me this kind of stuffs...
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This is one sided game...oGsMC is too familiar with jinro's playstyle.

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Dec 10 2010, 06:48 PM)
oGsMC knows how jinro plays very well since both of them live under the same roof... u cannot say MC is lan si, when it comes to money, there's no i let you, you let me this kind of stuffs...
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btw i hav to admit MC are good. tongue.gif

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Congrats to MC. It's one sided game.

But 1st foreigner to get that far.
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Jinro deserve to have at least 1 set. If he put more attention on his base when DT is in his base. He also can run his command centre earlier... Might be distracted after 3-0. keep up JInro.

MC v Rain... MC is certainly the hot favourite now. I will root for Rain oso bcos I'm a Terran tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 10 2010, 07:03 PM)
Jinro deserve to have at least 1 set. If he put more attention on his base when DT is in his base. He also can run his command centre earlier... Might be distracted after 3-0. keep up JInro.

MC v Rain... MC is certainly the hot favourite now. I will root for Rain oso bcos I'm a Terran tongue.gif
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Well I just came back and can't comment on the 1st 3 game.

The last game he should have kept at least half of the marine in base and save the scan and micro on the dt. Then he should have start blocking the ram as well

But then again, when your under pressure and stress, you can't think straight.

And I'm voting for MC to win even though I hate his attitude.

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QUOTE(seraph8660 @ Dec 10 2010, 06:53 PM)
i said him lansi bcoz of his previous interview. lol..
p/s: for those who can read chinese.  smile.gif

btw i hav to admit MC are good.  tongue.gif
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if u follow his sc1, he is known as suicide toss for BM and losing after that...
it is his style as he said before he find every1 playing nice is boring...
he is a really good player and we saw from the gomTV clan war he made ogs came back from 1-3 to win 4-3 alone...
first toss in finals!
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ogsMC really a confident guy indeed. I believe he will win the season 3 with ease too.
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im rooting for tsl rain
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GOMTV.net will be streaming the GSL Code A tiebreakers in the next three days for free!

From 13.12 till 15.12, you will be able to catch the group stage of the Code A tiebreakers. All 21 players in three groups will play six Bo1 matches to determine the top four in each group. Those 12 will advance forward where they will meet the already qualified players and those that will qualify through open tournaments.


http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/...de-a-tiebrakers

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what is code A and code S they r mentioned about? I cannot found the answer even though i google it
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After all three tournaments, the top 32 will become "Code S" players and 33rd-96th will become "Code A" players.

Like EPL, Code S will duke it out on the main league while code A plays in devision 2. Off course no question where the big prize will be. Jinro ftw happy.gif
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QUOTE(mules @ Dec 15 2010, 09:58 AM)
After all three tournaments, the top 32 will become "Code S" players and 33rd-96th will become "Code A" players.

Like EPL, Code S will duke it out on the main league while code A plays in devision 2. Off course no question where the big prize will be.  Jinro ftw happy.gif
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Oops. Moon is in 2nd division? How come?
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cz he isnt good enuf YET? he only qualified for season 3 and got eliminated at.......ro32 right?
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WTF rain is doin. He can Expand while attacking. Why he rush for the all in? He is not in a bad position. 18 years old nervous I guess
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"YOUR COMMENTARY'S IS MAKING ME SO HOT", LOL.

jeff: its final dude, everyone wants to win... not about nervous or not.


Added on December 18, 2010, 5:45 pmWALL AGAIN, RAIN IS SO GONNA GET SNIPED BY VR AGAIN!

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LULS ADS, KOREA's ADS FTW
"YOUR COMMENTARY'S IS MAKING ME SO HOT", LOL.

jeff: its final dude, everyone wants to win... not about nervous or not.


Added on December 18, 2010, 5:45 pmWALL AGAIN, RAIN IS SO GONNA GET SNIPED BY VR AGAIN!
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omg, Rain just engage his tank without sieging it. got pawn hard.... As a terran player I just cannot continue to watch. is more than 10 tanks give away like that doh.gif

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The PDD placement was just so noob. Totally costs Rain the game. Nerve got on his head.

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omg, Rain just engage his tank without sieging it. got pawn hard.... As a terran player I just cannot continue to watch
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u need to realize 1 thing..
rain got this far by cheesing and all-ins...
wut made u change he wont all-in in the finals LOL
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most terran players but no terran winners

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 06:13 PM)
The PDD placement was just so noob. Totally costs Rain the game. Nerve got on his head.
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 06:15 PM)
u need to realize 1 thing..
rain got this far by cheesing and all-ins...
wut made u change he wont all-in in the finals LOL
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He don't deserve to win if he cant play macro

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Argghhhhhh I got spoiled ><
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+1
He don't deserve to win if he cant play macro
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apparently that's hw he won nexgenius and nestea...
at least he won game 3 with a banshee build into polt...
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apparently that's hw he won nexgenius and nestea...
at least he won game 3 with a banshee build into polt...
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have to say he did well in game 3, trick MC showing he is goin for rush or pressure. Cancel the barrack and go with banshee.
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 06:41 PM)
apparently that's hw he won nexgenius and nestea...
at least he won game 3 with a banshee build into polt...
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Vs. NexGenius he only cheesed in the first game. Second game was a standard MBR with Tanks + Bunkers.
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Argghhhhhh I got spoiled ><
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Vs. NexGenius he only cheesed in the first game. Second game was a standard MBR with Tanks + Bunkers.
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^ that was an all-in btw
he is known to cheese/ all-in as said before...
even tastosis acknowledge this and rain has posted apologise for his play...
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4th game is so noob. Already spotted the proxied gateway and responded terribly. This guy doesn't even deserve to be in RO64.

Skip that gas and go for double bunkers you newb.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 07:00 PM)
4th game is so noob. Already spotted the proxied gateway and responded terribly. This guy doesn't even deserve to be in RO64.

Skip that gas and go for double bunkers you newb.
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My god! I cant believe this is a GSL final! it seems like a WCG where korean pawning non-korean
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 06:56 PM)
^ that was an all-in btw
he is known to cheese/ all-in as said before...
even tastosis acknowledge this and rain has posted apologise for his play...
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Well unless you considered every timing push as all-ins, then MC did all-in in all his games vs. Jinro.


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My god! I cant believe this is a GSL final! it seems like a WCG where korean pawning non-korean
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This is an insult to non-Koreans. Even non-Koreans respond better than Rain.

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Well unless you considered every timing push as all-ins, then MC did all-in in all his games vs. Jinro.


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This is an insult to non-Koreans. Even non-Koreans respond better than Rain.
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considering no expansion and the amount of scv?
rain's game 1 vs MC jz now is a timing push which is all-in-ish...
day9 define all-in as there's no possible transition after that...
with the amount of commitment to that push, its no surprised...

1 bunker is enuff if he placed it well enuff sleep.gif"

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 07:06 PM)

This is an insult to non-Koreans. Even non-Koreans respond better than Rain.
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Is it really THAT bad? I cant watch it at all, thx to Streamyx stuttering, Arggghhh


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u can watch now too

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Thx bro, but streamyx just dont want to let me watch it! Are yuo guy isnig streamyx or B/band to stream?

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GG mc won, finally protoss has its own glory! FOR AIUR

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Last game rain gg? It can be a draw game bcos MC have no mineral left while Rain CC can just fly away. Btw, MC have no real resistant today
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QUOTE(InFe_eD @ Dec 18 2010, 07:21 PM)
Is it really THAT bad? I cant watch it at all, thx to Streamyx stuttering, Arggghhh


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Thx bro, but streamyx just dont want to let me watch it! Are yuo guy isnig streamyx or B/band to stream?
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No regret. It's worthless to watch. Most one-sided final ever.
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I don't see it to be a draw game in the last game, MC has the army leading while Rain doesn't even has a single unit already.
If he fly away with his CC and drag the game, more and more rage from the watchers, lol.

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I don't see it to be a draw game in the last game, MC has the army leading while Rain doesn't even has a single unit already.
If he fly away with his CC and drag the game, more and more rage from the watchers, lol.
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Dec 18 2010, 07:27 PM)
I don't see it to be a draw game in the last game, MC has the army leading while Rain doesn't even has a single unit already.
If he fly away with his CC and drag the game, more and more rage from the watchers, lol.
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yup sportmanship...
but more like a BO win for MC in the last game...
4 gate vs blue flame hellion...

"if i terran i would win 3 times...i won as toss cause i am so good..." - oGsMC
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No regret. It's worthless to watch. Most one-sided final ever.
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Even more one sided than JinRo vs MC?
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"if i terran i would win 3 times...i won as toss cause i am so good..." - oGsMC
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What an insult ability he got. Damn it. Unlike. Literally he mean He don't have to play the strongest race (Terran) to pawn all. Fk, Play Terran and win GSL again for us to see. mad.gif
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 07:15 PM)
considering no expansion and the amount of scv?
rain's game 1 vs MC jz now is a timing push which is all-in-ish...
day9 define all-in as there's no possible transition after that...
with the amount of commitment to that push, its no surprised...

1 bunker is enuff if he placed it well enuff sleep.gif"
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Well I've re-watched the game and saw no abnormality compares to a standard Polt Timing attack. He did bring 13 SCVs out, but the SCVs are so essential that they walled the Zealots and repair.

Even Liquidpedia says that you should bring SCVs when pushing.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Polt...8vs._Protoss%29

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# SCVs: Tanking some damage and walling the Zealots. They can possibly repair too (use Auto-Repair).


And there's definitely possibility of transition if Rain wants to. He still has so many SCVs and Mules mining. He can get an expansion after that, and not like what you said "there's no possible transition after that...".

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 18 2010, 07:42 PM)
What an insult ability he got. Damn it. Unlike. Literally he mean He don't have to play the strongest race (Terran) to pawn all. Fk, Play Terran and win GSL again for us to see.  mad.gif
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he is the BM king...
his BM during GomClanwar is so epic trolling...
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QUOTE(InFe_eD @ Dec 18 2010, 07:42 PM)
Even more one sided than JinRo vs MC?
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Jinro is much better than Rain that's for sure. But MC is just too good he deserves to win the whole tournament.

QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 18 2010, 07:42 PM)
What an insult ability he got. Damn it. Unlike. Literally he mean He don't have to play the strongest race (Terran) to pawn all. Fk, Play Terran and win GSL again for us to see.  mad.gif
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For a great player like MC, he definitely has every right to say that. 4-0 victory over Jinro has just proved that.

BTW if you still don't really know this guy, he is actually not as arrogant as what he says or what we see. He's a nice guy that just want to bring a little fire to the pro scene.
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Well I've re-watched the game and saw no abnormality compares to a standard Polt Timing attack. He did bring 13 SCVs out, but the SCVs are so essential that they walled the Zealots and repair.

Even Liquidpedia says that you should bring SCVs when pushing.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Polt...8vs._Protoss%29
And there's definitely possibility of transition if Rain wants to. He still has so many SCVs and Mules mining. He can get an expansion after that, and not like what you said "there's no possible transition after that...".
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hw did he transition if his push failed?
i dun see that...
he didnt start his expo at all (or even break the back rocks in fact) during the whole containment...
after that failed, he followed with a 2nd all-in attack...

sure u have mule mining but look at his mineral patch, they are almost dried up with no expo starting...
he can transition out of it but it would be delaying the inevitable (thus the saying no possible transition)...
he knows it and went with a 2nd all-in...
if he expanded, MC would jz rolled him and he dun have the resource to keep production up...

heck when i am mined out, i can still transition into flying my old base OC there and mine but we all know when u do that, the game is out of ur hand already thus 'no transition'...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 07:59 PM)
hw did he transition if his push failed?
i dun see that...
he didnt start his expo at all (or even break the back rocks in fact) during the whole containment...
after that failed, he followed with a 2nd all-in attack...

sure u have mule mining but look at his mineral patch, they are almost dried up with no expo starting...
he can transition out of it but it would be delaying the inevitable (thus the saying no possible transition)...
he knows it and went with a 2nd all-in...
if he expanded, MC would jz rolled him and he dun have the resource to keep production up...

heck when i am mined out, i can still transition into flying my old base OC there and mine but we all know when u do that, the game is out of ur hand already thus 'no transition'...
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Are we watching the same game? NexGenius vs. Rain 2nd game was on Metalopolis. Are you sure you're watching GSL 3? I never know that there's a rock in Metalopolis. In novice Metalopolis yes there is.

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Are we watching the same game? NexGenius vs. Rain 2nd game was on Metalopolis. Are you sure you're watching GSL 3?
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i'm talking bout game1 for gsl3 finals - rain vs mc O.o
replying ur 2nd part...
didnt realize u are still on the nexgenius part lol...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:02 PM)
i'm talking bout game1 for gsl3 finals - rain vs mc O.o
replying ur 2nd part...
didnt realize u are still on the nexgenius part lol...
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Go back to the previous page. I was saying that NexGenius vs. Rain 2nd game was a standard Polt, while you said that it was an all-in. I was referring to Rain vs. NexGenius all the way.

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Go back to the previous page. I was saying that NexGenius vs. Rain 2nd game was a standard Polt, while you said that it was an all-in. I was referring to Rain vs. NexGenius all the way.
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polt build dun have tanks...
so its not a standard polt btw...

btw polt is pretty much an all-in build if u haven notice...

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:06 PM)
polt build dun have tanks...
so its not a standard polt btw...
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I apologize for that. An MBR with Tanks + Bunkers timing push.


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polt build dun have tanks...
so its not a standard polt btw...

btw polt is pretty much an all-in build if u haven notice...
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Liquidpedia says otherwise, and I'll take their word as well as my own experience any day.

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Setting up a strong timing attack that, if it doesn't kill the Protoss, will allow you to expand safely behind it while having many tech routes open.


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He's still checking her out even after losing. What a trooper. (On December 18 2010 20:30 dokugami)

@ westley
our definition of all-ins are pretty different...
for u to pull that many workers together seemed to be an all-in as u are sacrificing ur economy...
just because terran have mules to recover, doesnt meant its nt an all-in since mule are only worth 280 minerals...


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I apologize for that. An MBR with Tanks + Bunkers timing push.


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Liquidpedia says otherwise, and I'll take their word as well as my own experience any day.
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how often do u see polt in high lvl tournaments bring scv along?
jinro doesn't in his MLG games...
my point is bringing scv along made it all-in as u are sacrificing ur economy...
if it failed, the toss is in the eco advantage and would roll u over...
simple as that...

sure u can expand and tech switch yadda yadda but the toss wit the eco advantage would kill u after that...

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:11 PM)
He's still checking her out even after losing. What a trooper. (On December 18 2010 20:30 dokugami)

@ westley
our definition of all-ins are pretty different...
for u to pull that many workers together seemed to be an all-in as u are sacrificing ur economy...
just because terran have mules to recover, doesnt meant its nt an all-in since mule are only worth 280 minerals...
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Honestly 13 SCVs are nothing for Terran, consider the Mules (1 Mule = 6 SCVs) advantage as well as the result it brings. And I remember you yourself saying somewhere that "do not hesitate to pull SCVs while pushing, you've Mules to recover".

So your definition of all-in is "If you push using more than 2 SCVs then it's an all-in"? I'll take day9 definition any day but not yours. As long as I can still make transition, it's not an all-in.


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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:11 PM)
He's still checking her out even after losing. What a trooper. (On December 18 2010 20:30 dokugami)

@ westley
our definition of all-ins are pretty different...
for u to pull that many workers together seemed to be an all-in as u are sacrificing ur economy...
just because terran have mules to recover, doesnt meant its nt an all-in since mule are only worth 280 minerals...


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how often do u see polt in high lvl tournaments bring scv along?
jinro doesn't in his MLG games...
my point is bringing scv along made it all-in as u are sacrificing ur economy...
if it failed, the toss is in the eco advantage and would roll u over...
simple as that...

sure u can expand and tech switch yadda yadda but the toss wit the eco advantage would kill u after that...
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For sure bringing SCVs is better than not. Jinro DID in his games vs. TTone. Re-watch the game before arguing here.

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 08:14 PM)
Honestly 13 SCVs are nothing for Terran, consider the Mules (1 Mule = 6 SCVs) advantage as well as the result it brings. And I remember you yourself saying somewhere that "do not hesitate to pull SCVs while pushing, you've Mules to recover".

So your definition of all-in is "If you push using more than 2 SCVs then it's an all-in"? I'll take day9 definition any day but not yours. As long as I can still make transition, it's not an all-in.
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do notice the term 'recover'
recover means that u are behind already...
13 scvs is too all-in for me...
mules are not permanent mind u...
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For sure bringing SCVs is better than not. Jinro DID in his games vs. TTone. Re-watch the game before arguing here.

Honestly you should play Terran more.

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 08:17 PM)
For sure bringing SCVs is better than not. Jinro DID in his games vs. TTone. Re-watch the game before arguing here.

Honestly you should play Terran more.
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i dun see 13scvs sleep.gif"
the most he pulled was 7 in game3 which is half of wut u are telling me...
13scvs = half of ur scv mining per base and u tell me its not all-in?

ps: think i've played enuff terran to know that 13scvs on 1 base is all-in enuff...

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:22 PM)
i dun see 13scvs sleep.gif"
the most he pulled was 7 in game3 which is half of wut u are telling me...
13scvs = half of ur scv mining per base and u tell me its not all-in?
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You still continue to produce SCVs while pushing with that 13 or 7 SCVs (Depend on how aggressive you want to be) + Mules. But it's definitely not an all-in. And what's with that "How often do you see SCVs moving out in high lvl tournament" and "Jinro didn't bring his SCVs"?

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You still continue to produce SCVs while pushing with that 13 or 7 SCVs (Depend how aggressive you want to be) + Mules. But it's definitely not an all-in. And what's with that "How often do you see SCVs moving out in high lvl tournament" and "Jinro didn't bring his SCVs"?
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maybe i worded it wrongly, when i mentioned that its not 13scvs...
game1 was only 3-4 scvs which is acceptable...
13 scvs is toooooooo all-in...
how often do u see ppl bothered mentioning terran bringing that low amount of scvs as all-in?
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:27 PM)
maybe i worded it wrongly, when i mentioned that its not 13scvs...
game1 was only 3-4 scvs which is acceptable...
13 scvs is toooooooo all-in...
how often do u see ppl bothered mentioning terran bringing that low amount of scvs as all-in?
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If bringing 7 SCVs is not all-in and bringing 13 SCVs is all in, then bringing 8 SCVs is all-in or not? 9? 10? 11? 12?

You are just too stuck with your own definition, while I prefer to follow pro's definition.

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 08:28 PM)
If bringing 7 SCVs is not all-in and bringing 13 SCVs is all in, then bringing 8 SCVs is all-in or not? 9? 10? 11? 12?

You are just too stuck with your own definition, while I prefer to follow pro's definition.
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then why must rain made a public apology for being too all-in?
why was he flamed on playXP?
why was he constantly flamed on air...
why was constantly expected to all-in/ cheese every game...

7 scv is not half of ur mining force on 1 base compared to it 13...
u do realize that 13 is almost double of 7?

mule is the mechanic for terran to keep on par wit chrono/ larvae...
they are not meant to replace ur SCVs...
they do allow u to pull some scv and recover after that but how much can u recover off 1-base with 13scv pulled out?

the definition of allin = no transition according to day9...
u can transition well out of losing 7 scv, but not 13 scv...
1 scv cost as much as 1 marine...

try posting a thread on TL and said that pulling 13scv is not all-in...
and see wut response u get...

ps: as u said 1mule is around 6scv urself... so u would need 2 mule on 1 base to recover from 13scv... so can u have 2 mule on 1 base? then u tell me is it all-in or not...

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:31 PM)
then why must rain made a public apology for being too all-in?
why was he flamed on playXP?
why was he constantly flamed on air...
why was constantly expected to all-in/ cheese every game...

7 scv is not half of ur mining force on 1 base compared to it 13...
u do realize that 13 is almost double of 7?

mule is the mechanic for terran to keep on par wit chrono/ larvae...
they are not meant to replace ur SCVs...
they do allow u to pull some scv and recover after that but how much can u recover off 1-base with 13scv pulled out?

the definition of allin = no transition according to day9...
u can transition well out of losing 7 scv, but not 13 scv...
1 scv cost as much as 1 marine...

try posting a thread on TL and said that pulling 13scv is not all-in...
and see wut response u get...
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Well as I said, you still continue to produce SCVs while moving out, by the time your attack finishes, opponent's probes will most likely down to the same amount as yours or less. Tell me now, why can't you safely transition after that? Well unless your attack didn't do much enough which can only happen in Bronze league in my opinion.

I won't do such thing as wasting server resources or TL members' time just because we have a difference in all-in definition. Grow up.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 08:36 PM)
Well as I said, you still continue to produce SCVs while moving out, by the time your attack finishes, opponent's probes will most likely down to the same amount as yours or less. Tell me now, why can't you safely transition after that? Well unless your attack didn't do much enough which can only happen in Bronze league in my opinion.

I won't do such thing as wasting server resources or TL members' time just because we have a difference in all-in definition. Grow up.
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well that's my case...
ppl generally agree 13scv is all-in...
u are not prepared to post ur idea on TL that pulling 13scv is not all-in on TL...
i am prepare to do the same for my idea that it is an all-in...
it is an interesting discussion after all? why not?
maybe its time to grow up to accept a discussion instead of OMG i'm gonna lose the discussion so grow up!

if u keep producing scv for that timing push, wouldn't ur army be smaller?
then WHY IS IT A TIMING PUSH?
that is ur answer...

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:38 PM)
well that's my case...
ppl generally agree 13scv is all-in...
u are not prepared to post ur idea on TL that pulling 13scv is not all-in on TL...
i am prepare to do the same for my idea that it is an all-in...

if u keep producing scv for that timing push, wouldn't ur army be smaller?
then WHY IS IT A TIMING PUSH?
that is ur answer...
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Ok now think of this. If Rain doesn't think of a transition in that game, why didn't he bring out ALL his SCVs? Why left some to mine? It's very clear it's due to Rain can still recover from that, and the SCVs' roles are to wall the Zealots, one or two of them build Bunkers, and repair.

Ok remember to tell me the result from your TL thread after getting your replies.

Oh ya BTW I didn't realize that YOU CANNOT PRODUCE SCVS IN A TIMING PUSH. Nobody told me that.

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So is it 2-0 to aeco now? Since westly went offline, lol.
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So is it 2-0 to aeco now? Since westly went offline, lol.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 08:48 PM)
Ok now think of this. If Rain doesn't think of a transition in that game, why didn't he bring out ALL his SCVs? Why left some to mine? It's very clear the SCVs' roles are to wall the Zealots, one or two of them build Bunkers, and repair.

Ok remember to tell me the result from your TL thread after getting your replies.
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to produce reinforcements?
since u need resource to continue ur reinforcements with marines etc...
else the other side would keep reinforcing and u'll made do wit what u have only (not to mention the wasted time for travelling over)

jz registered so need 3 days to post on TL...
will inform u when its done (or remind me as well >.<)

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QUOTE(mules @ Dec 18 2010, 08:10 PM)
most boring final ever =.=  like sending malaysia to EPL
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I cant even watch it! both ustream and justinTV is not moving at all. mad.gif

wait for an hour and cant even watch finish 1 match...... Is it only me?
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Oh ya BTW I didn't realize that YOU CANNOT PRODUCE SCVS IN A TIMING PUSH. Nobody told me that.
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QUOTE(InFe_eD @ Dec 18 2010, 08:50 PM)
I cant even watch it! both ustream and justinTV is not moving at all.     mad.gif

wait for an hour and cant even watch finish 1 match...... Is it only me?
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game 1 was ok wit the containment...
game 2 was good in terms of macro and positioning especially the guerilla warfare...
game 3 was good for the mind games rain pulled (he deserves credit for this)...
game 4 was jz a cheese... move along...
game 5 is a BO lost imho...


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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 08:50 PM)
Oh ya BTW I didn't realize that YOU CANNOT PRODUCE SCVS IN A TIMING PUSH. Nobody told me that.
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the performance per scv decreases drastically after 26 (+/- based on mineral spread)...
since 1 scv = 1 marine for cost, what would u be making?

timing pushes are meant to be the certain timing when ur opponent is vulnerable or when u reached a critical time like ur raven having energy...
not every attack when u jz mass up to a certain amount is a timing attack...
thus timing attacks have a really tight BO for u to get the optimum amount of army/ tech for that pus...
wutever workers u bring after that is just a temporary boost to ur army...

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I'm watching game 2 when Rain put down 4 bunker + tank + countless marine containing MC.
And just when i want to see what gonna happen next and the stream is still moving by 1 second per minutes! Arghhh!

IS it something wrong with ym streamyx? who can help me doh.gif
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QUOTE(InFe_eD @ Dec 18 2010, 08:56 PM)
I'm watching game 2 when Rain put down 4 bunker + tank + countless marine containing MC.
And just when i want to see what gonna happen next and the stream is still moving by 1 second per minutes!  Arghhh!

IS it something wrong with ym streamyx? who can help me  doh.gif
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mostly due to streamyx capping some international connection...
there's lots of threads and TM admitted that to the press as well...
for restreams it is working fine...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:52 PM)
game 1 was ok wit the containment...
game 2 was good in terms of macro and positioning especially the guerilla warfare...
game 3 was good for the mind games rain pulled (he deserves credit for this)...
game 4 was jz a cheese... move along...
game 5 is a BO lost imho...


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the performance per scv decreases drastically after 26 (+/- based on mineral spread)...
since 1 scv = 1 marine for cost, what would u be making?

timing pushes are meant to be the certain timing when ur opponent is vulnerable or when u reached a critical time like ur raven having energy...
not every attack when u jz mass up to a certain amount is a timing attack...
thus timing attacks have a really tight BO for u to get the optimum amount of army/ tech for that pus...
wutever workers u bring after that is just a temporary boost to ur army...
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You don't make the replacement SCVs to bring them to the warzone. While moving out, produce the SCVs to continue mining at your base.
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 08:57 PM)
mostly due to streamyx capping some international connection...
there's lots of threads and TM admitted that to the press as well...
for restreams it is working fine...
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The sad life on being a Malaysian. doh.gif Pay highest price for the slowest "broad"band
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 08:59 PM)
You don't make the replacement SCVs to bring them to the warzone. While moving out, produce the SCVs to continue mining at your base.
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so let say u have 26-28 scvs in ur base off 4 production (since ideally 1 base support 4 constant production)...
so when u move out, u would have 13-15scv and 1 mule (280 over time though u would like to have 1 scan usually in case) mining while 13scv not mining while u are producing scv (1 scv at a time instead of the 50min for marine to reinforce)...
besides that, u would need to be making depot as well since ur production is still there while u are moving out...
while on the other side, his 26-28probes are mining and resources are spent on making units as he saw ur army coming...
thus ur food have more scv less army vs his less probe more army...
and its nt an all-in?

best case: u win downright
good case: u deal damage to him especially him losing quite a lot of probe and return back to expand etc
even case: u deal some damage to him with some to probes with both army dead
bad case: u deal no damage, even army trade as he reinforce and ur reinforcements are pulled back to def while him having more workers
worst case: his army totally decimate ur army and u have less worker, less army

so its not an all-in when u need to deal some damage just for it to be even?
QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 08:36 PM)
Well as I said, you still continue to produce SCVs while moving out, by the time your attack finishes, opponent's probes will most likely down to the same amount as yours or less. Tell me now, why can't you safely transition after that? Well unless your attack didn't do much enough which can only happen in Bronze league in my opinion.

I won't do such thing as wasting server resources or TL members' time just because we have a difference in all-in definition. Grow up.
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 09:13 PM)
so let say u have 26-28 scvs in ur base off 4 production (since ideally 1 base support 4 constant production)...
so when u move out, u would have 13-15scv and 1 mule (280 over time though u would like to have 1 scan usually in case) mining while 13scv not mining while u are producing scv (1 scv at a time instead of the 50min for marine to reinforce)...
besides that, u would need to be making depot as well since ur production is still there while u are moving out...
while on the other side, his 26-28probes are mining and resources are spent on making units as he saw ur army coming...
thus ur food have more scv less army vs his less probe more army...
and its nt an all-in?

best case: u win downright
good case: u deal damage to him especially him losing quite a lot of probe and return back to expand etc
even case: u deal some damage to him with some to probes with both army dead
bad case: u deal no damage, even army trade as he reinforce and ur reinforcements are pulled back to def while him having more workers
worst case: his army totally decimate ur army and u have less worker, less army

so its not an all-in when u need to deal some damage just for it to be even?
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That's the beauty of this timing push. Yes by the time my army reaches his base he would have larger army size than mine. But how do you win with a smaller army? This is where PDD comes into play, to eliminate Stalkers' threat.

You don't always win with a larger army. If you think attacking with a smaller army is an all-in, then you are again stuck at your own expert definition. Might as well sitting at own base and don't attack at all.

Oh ya did I mention that the SCVs can keep your Banshees and Tanks alive for as long as possible?

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That's the beauty of this timing push. Yes by the time my army reaches his base he would have larger army size than mine. But how do you win with a smaller army? This is where PDD comes into play, to eliminate Stalkers' threat.

You don't always win with a larger army. If you think attacking with a smaller army is an all-in, then you are again stuck at your own expert definition. Might as well sitting at own base and don't attack at all.
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u do realize ur army is smaller but ur tech is higher (PDD)?
that's how smaller army beat bigger army...
that is why it is a timing attack (look at wut i said, when u reach a critical mass/ or a key tech is obtained)...
its not always about the army size...
attacking with a smaller army is not all-in (i didnt said wut u said at the bolded quoted)...
bringing 13 scvs along for an attack is all-in...
simple as that...

if the toss would engage outside of his base to force a premature PDD and fall back using FF (the general solution to the polt build if the toss dun FE)...
so when that happen, what about ur 13scv in ur army?
push in without a PDD mana?
when that happen, u loose ur timing advantage (tech) and thus his larger army have the advantage...

let us redefine the argument which should be the focus not about how to build a timing attack etc...
"Is bringing 13scvs along for an attack a all-in?"
aeco: yes it is all-in
westley: no it is not all-in

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 09:28 PM)
u do realize ur army is smaller but ur tech is higher (PDD)?
that's how smaller army beat bigger army...
that is why it is a timing attack (look at wut i said, when u reach a critical mass/ or a key tech is obtained)...
its not always about the army size...
attacking with a smaller army is not all-in (i didnt said wut u said at the bolded quoted)...
bringing 13 scvs along for an attack is all-in...
simple as that...

if the toss would engage outside of his base to force a premature PDD and fall back using FF (the general solution to the polt build if the toss dun FE)...
so when that happen, what about ur 13scv in ur army?
push in without a PDD mana?
when that happen, u loose ur timing advantage (tech) and thus his larger army have the advantage...

let us redefine the argument which should be the focus not about how to build a timing attack etc...
"Is bringing 13scvs along for an attack a all-in?"
aeco: yes it is all-in
westley: no it is not all-in

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Alright. Let's see what experts in the TL forum say. Remember to quote Rain vs. NexGenius game 2 as reference.

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Dec 18 2010, 09:32 PM)
Alright. Let's see what experts in the TL forum say. Remember to quote Rain vs. NexGenius game 2 as reference.
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hmm would u pm me ur argument so i can copy paste?
that way we can build 2 bases easier...
and i think we should move this discussion else where since its a GSL thread =p

and i still think that rain is horrible as a terran for GSL final...
worst terran in the finals...
hope to see macro based terrans more (maka especially)...
still wished that rain would have expo-ed during that containment and not stay 1 base soooooo long...

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 10:21 PM)
hmm would u pm me ur argument so i can copy paste?
that way we can build  2 bases easier...
and i think we should move this discussion else where since its a GSL thread =p

and i still think that rain is horrible as a terran for GSL final...
worst terran in the finals...
hope to see macro based terrans more (maka especially)...
still wished that rain would have expo-ed during that containment and not stay 1 base soooooo long...
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from his post game interview, BM by MC...

- "Now I have a 100,000,000 won. And when I win in Code S, I will make you richer," says MC, to the awe of the crowd.

- "In the first set, my opponent played as he expected, so Terrans are still below me. I expected a cheese rush in most games, but Rain showed different strategies. It was a bit startling, but I could hold it off," says MC in the post-interview with the show host.

- "I don't think there's anyone out there who can beat me. If I play Terran I would have won three times. I won as a Protoss because I'm so good."

he is like the korean idra but the difference: -
MC: i am the best
IdrA: i am better than u, u suck
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 11:35 PM)
from his post game interview, BM by MC...

- "Now I have a 100,000,000 won. And when I win in Code S, I will make you richer," says MC, to the awe of the crowd.

- "In the first set, my opponent played as he expected, so Terrans are still below me. I expected a cheese rush in most games, but Rain showed different strategies. It was a bit startling, but I could hold it off," says MC in the post-interview with the show host.

- "I don't think there's anyone out there who can beat me. If I play Terran I would have won three times. I won as a Protoss because I'm so good."

he is like the korean idra but the difference: -
MC: i am the best
IdrA: i am better than u, u suck
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The Difference is MC is actually amazingly good, while IDra just suck ass.
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 18 2010, 11:35 PM)
from his post game interview, BM by MC...

- "Now I have a 100,000,000 won. And when I win in Code S, I will make you richer," says MC, to the awe of the crowd.

- "In the first set, my opponent played as he expected, so Terrans are still below me. I expected a cheese rush in most games, but Rain showed different strategies. It was a bit startling, but I could hold it off," says MC in the post-interview with the show host.

- "I don't think there's anyone out there who can beat me. If I play Terran I would have won three times. I won as a Protoss because I'm so good."

he is like the korean idra but the difference: -
MC: i am the best
IdrA: i am better than u, u suck
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QUOTE(InFe_eD @ Dec 18 2010, 11:50 PM)
The Difference is MC is actually amazingly good, while IDra just suck ass.
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 19 2010, 12:15 AM)
I hate LanC ppl. He reminds me of F1's Alonso.
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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Dec 19 2010, 12:15 AM)
I hate LanC ppl. He reminds me of F1's Alonso.
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as i said he is known to BM...
he did said he wanna do it for entertainment...
similar to iloveoov etc...

it shows his confidence...
if he can walk the talk (unlike idra) he deserves it...
he won me as a fan when i saw wut he did during his clanwar match on GOM...
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oGsMC steamrolled hiself to victory in GSL season 3...

i expect a better fight for such high level competition
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cuz theres too many upsets. fruitdealer vs MC final would be entertaining.
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 19 2010, 12:04 PM)
cuz theres too many upsets. fruitdealer vs MC final would be entertaining.
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well fruity was too all-in against hongun especially the walling game LOL...
i think a TvP finals would be the best, just that rain is not one of the better terrans out there...

i would say MC vs July and leenock vs clide as the 2 best series of GSL3...
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leenock vs clide was really epic...
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so protoss finally win!
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MC gameplay is so solid, look at his defense... or maybe bcoz Rain is not that good Terran...
Rain lost so bad bcoz he didn't cheese... tongue.gif

it is always funny for me when see Terran got cheesed...

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QUOTE(RyonanGT @ Dec 20 2010, 12:59 PM)
MC gameplay is so solid, look at his defense...  or maybe bcoz Rain is not that good Terran...
Rain lost so bad bcoz he didn't cheese... tongue.gif

it is always funny for me when see Terran got cheesed...
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saw proxy gate?
get gas and bunker near the gas!!!
as much as he is known for all-ins and cheese, he does handle them badly...
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lol....cheeser got cheesed.

evo, do u make the bunker between your cc and both gas? to close the door to mineral line?
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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Dec 20 2010, 03:11 PM)
lol....cheeser got cheesed.

evo, do u make the bunker between your cc and both gas? to close the door to mineral line?
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bunker in the mineral line would be the best...
in the middle side by side wit ur CC...
that way u can cover ur entire mineral line till u get a large enuff force to push out to his proxy


Added on December 22, 2010, 1:49 pmhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=178757

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Added on December 22, 2010, 1:52 pmps: hope theSTC finishes his army as he maybe is the best terran around (MC thanked him for practice)

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Dec 22 2010, 01:52 PM

 

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