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post Nov 16 2010, 02:10 PM, updated 16y ago

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It wasn’t meant to be like this. Not at all. Blizzard’s long-anticipated launch of StarCraft II was meant to be a dream – a triumphant return to the RTS genre that made the company’s name in 1997, when the first StarCraft revolutionised realtime strategy gaming. The centrepiece of the game’s launch? South Korea, the epicentre of world competitive gaming, where the low-specs original spread like a virus, hopping from the gamer fringe to become a mainstream sport within five years. Of the ten-million-plus copies of the original game sold worldwide, half were in South Korea. Two television channels sprang up to broadcast matches between the 12 Proleague teams, and fans flocked to see elite players face off against their rivals. The best players pulled in big money, earning up to £200,000 a year.

It’s no wonder that Blizzard looked to South Korea as the land of opportunity for the sequel. With so many players and fans still playing the original, with dedicated television channels running constant promotion, with an entire sport evolving from a single game, what could possibly go wrong?

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Plenty, as it turns out. When Blizzard made the original StarCraft way back in 1998, in the early bloom of gaming as a massive entertainment industry, the company had no way of predicting the success of the game in Korea. The blossoming of the e-Sports industry there, spearheaded by StarCraft, took place in an ad-hoc, unregulated manner, and not a single dollar was paid to Blizzard by any of the Korean entities which grew up around the StarCraft phenomenon.

This time around, things have changed. Vivendi took part control of Blizzard in 2008 through its majority-owned company Activision, and a new, more commerce-focused slant became apparent despite Blizzard’s relative independence. Now there would be no chance that an entire sport would spring up unauthorised. This time, Blizzard was going to take control of its own intellectual property and control what was done with it. Stung by the experience of battling World Of Warcraft bots, task automators and gold farmers, the company took a hardline stance against KeSPA – the Korean e-Sports Players Association – and the two TV channels, MBC Game and OnGameNet.

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In an open letter on May 27 – two months before the full release – Blizzard president Mike Morhaime laid it out in the open: “In 2007, we were shocked and disappointed to learn that KeSPA had illegally sold the broadcasting rights for StarCraft tournaments without our consent. With this clear violation of our intellectual property rights, we were forced to become more actively involved in the situation and make our voice be heard.”

Strong words indeed. Morhaime wrote that his company had tried hard to negotiate with KeSPA – which has the backing of the Korean government, the teams, and the TV channels – but had got nowhere, effectively forcing Blizzard to ditch KeSPA and give exclusive broadcast rights to SCII matches to a minnow of an operation, Gom TV. The announcement sent shockwaves through the Korean e-Sports establishment, and rippled out into the English-speaking world. To fend off the perception of a money-grab, Morhaime tackled the issue head on: “Unlike the negative rumours you might have heard, Blizzard’s intention towards e-Sports is not to ‘dominate’ it and create excessive profits from it. From the beginning of the negotiations up to now, the basic framework we have thought of is one where e-Sports can continue to grow, while we can protect our intellectual property rights.”

Why is Blizzard getting so hardline about broadcasting rights? After all, the 12 pro-gaming teams are sponsored by major Korean companies who regard the sport simply as a way to get young people interested in their brands. There’s no real money in broadcasting StarCraft – the large audience is nearly all teenage or in its early 20s, a group that in Korea does not have much disposal income, and attending a StarCraft stadium match costs nothing. As Jae-Gyoon Yi, one of the founders of professional StarCraft and the coach of the Woongjin Stars team, told us, when a company sponsors a pro-gaming team, it’s simply another marketing avenue for product exposure.
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post Nov 16 2010, 05:27 PM

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I'm still unclear, with Blizzard wanting to 'control broadcasting rights' do they mean they want moneh for broadcasting?

U think interest for the game will die down simply because blizzard is starting to take control of it?


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post Nov 16 2010, 10:55 PM

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Take a look at this too. Whom to support? KESPA or Blizzard?

Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=168895

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So Here goes
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F***ing KeSPA, despite some views of patriotism they've shown...
1. KeSPA was born
2. Blizzard didn't care about it
3. Found out KeSPA was collecting profit (ticket fee) from offline audience for the OnGameNet Finals match.
4. Blizzard asked KeSPA to stop
5. KeSPA starts an agreement with OGN and MBC to make them pay KeSPA to broadcast SC matches.
6. Blizzard angry. Rawr >
7. GomTV, the only organisation to contact Blizzard directly to ask permission to broadcast 'internet streams' of SC matches. (OGN and MBCgame are cable TV. Original MBC channel itself is a public channel)
8. Blizzard agrees and receives '1 Dollar' to give permission to GomTV. (assuming its a gesture as to show OGN and MBCgame)
9. GomTV opens a league called 'GomTV Classic'
10. At around Season 4 of GomTV Classic, KeSPA calls them and tells them to pay up for broadcasting SC.
11. GomTV tells them we have permission from Blizzard and should step off (b****).
12. KeSPA commands players to not enter GomTV leagues. (Players had contracts with KeSPA)
13. GomTV Classic fails miserably.
14. Blizzard is more angry.
15. Blizzard, to honor their products and protect its copyright and ownership (legal stuff), steps up to the middle of the conflict.
16. Blizzard and KeSPA goes into negotiation.
17. KeSPA goes 'e-sports is also sports', 'do soccer players pay the soccer ball manufacturers for a match', 'SC is a public property and is accessible by anyone' etc bullcrap
18. Blizzard boss Michael Morheim comes to Korea for the promotion of SC2 and also to have a meeting with the current SC progamers.
19. KeSPA contacts all Korean SC teams and threaten them to not meet up with Michael.
20. Michael Morheim was sent back without any gain.
21. Blizzard tries to negotiate but KeSPA still bullcrapping about 'please understand e-sports'
22. Blizzard and KeSPA came to a result of the negotiation.
23. Blizzard gives rights to GomTV to broadcast any Blizzard games (SC, SC2, WoW, W3). At the same time allowed SC leagues to be broadcasted under KeSPA until August. If they do not follow this conduct, Blizzard will officially show legal action.
24. KeSPA tries to appeal and goes aggressive.
25. Since OGN and MBCgame don't want to lose its broadcasting rights, they try to negotiate with GomTV
26. OGN and MBCgame understands they're still going to be paying money to contract the rights to broadcast leagues anyway, only difference is the receipient.
27. KeSPA's only weapon is the contracted players and teams.
28. After SC2 released, KeSPA did not allow SC players to touch the game.
29. Therefore most SC2 gamers are older (near 1st generation) gamers, new faces or players without tied contracts.
30. Suddenly GomTV announces GSL (SC2 open)
31. The scale of the prize money is off the charts and is the highest in the history of e-sports.
32. KeSPA pays online media/journalism organisations to start making articles dissing SC2.

(lists of SC2 hating articles and funny part is the reporter/journalist is the same dude)
*Blizzard, 'Pressuring' Korea with its 'SC2' release up coming.
*[GAME] - Dissapointing reviews of SC2's early stages
*Blizzard says 'We must Destroy SC1 for SC2 to live!
*'Warning' SC2, Your computer may break down.
*'SC2 fried my graphic cards' - Internet Cafe bosses and gamers uproar
*Where has the fame of SC2 gone? After 4 weeks of sales... (they compared to food getting cold)
*NaDa Lee, Yun-Yeol moving to SC2. Once an honored gamer, now a prize money hunter.
*SC2's popularity down the sink. How Deep?


(2 comments below this post)
- There is an article dissing NaDa, titled 'He once was an honorable player, now he is a money hunter' The reporter has openly made an article which he can easily be sued for. I am surprised how far these journalists can go for petty money received by such a big oragnisation. Don't they have shame?

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No. It will never be as big as SC: Brood War. All their 3 separate games combined will never reach the 10 million mark. im not planning to buy any of their expansions after the lacklustre SC2: WOL
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QUOTE(ericpires @ Nov 18 2010, 12:42 PM)
No. It will never be as big as SC: Brood War. All their 3 separate games combined will never reach the 10 million mark. im not planning to buy any of their expansions after the lacklustre SC2: WOL
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the campaign was pretty good (sink like 20hrs to it) but the gem is the online multiplayer for sure...
i'm getting the 2 expansion (sc2 is already the best selling RTS of all time)...
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QUOTE(ericpires @ Nov 18 2010, 12:42 PM)
No. It will never be as big as SC: Brood War. All their 3 separate games combined will never reach the 10 million mark. im not planning to buy any of their expansions after the lacklustre SC2: WOL
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Dude, lacklustre? Seriously? No way. It's easily the best RTS I've played to date, with at least 8 years of development time and polish onto the the interface, intense and thorough gamebalancing process. Just what is your idea of a 'good' RTS then? SC2 beats SC in so many ways!
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QUOTE(slickz @ Nov 18 2010, 02:43 PM)
Dude, lacklustre? Seriously? No way. It's easily the best RTS I've played to date, with at least 8 years of development time and polish onto the the interface, intense and thorough gamebalancing process. Just what is your idea of a 'good' RTS then? SC2 beats SC in so many ways!
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the SP is longer than most of the newer 5hrs SP crap games...
but i honestly think that the multiplayer is where the fun is...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 18 2010, 02:57 PM)
the SP is longer than most of the newer 5hrs SP crap games...
but i honestly think that the multiplayer is where the fun is...
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Same
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post Nov 18 2010, 04:36 PM

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We bought it for the Multiplayer don't we? Then tell me which RTS make it as far as SC did? CC? WC3?
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QUOTE(smartleader @ Nov 18 2010, 04:36 PM)
We bought it for the Multiplayer don't we? Then tell me which RTS make it as far as SC did? CC? WC3?
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war3 did pretty well in esport...
dow was in WCG for 2 years (correct me if i am wrong)...

but in terms of hype, community and prize pool i think sc2 broke all of that...
partly due to sc:bw being an icon for esport on its own...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 18 2010, 04:44 PM)
war3 did pretty well in esport...
dow was in WCG for 2 years (correct me if i am wrong)...

but in terms of hype, community and prize pool i think sc2 broke all of that...
partly due to sc:bw being an icon for esport on its own...
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DoW did make it to WCG but not anymore. WC3 is still okay but as good as SC.
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 18 2010, 04:44 PM)
war3 did pretty well in esport...
dow was in WCG for 2 years (correct me if i am wrong)...

but in terms of hype, community and prize pool i think sc2 broke all of that...
partly due to sc:bw being an icon for esport on its own...
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Not that many know Moon or Grubby...
And how many people know of anyone in DOW....
while StarCraft BroodWar too many people know of Boxer, Yellow, NalRa, Reach, iloveOOv, JulyZerg, Nada, Savior, Bisu, Stork, Jaedong, Flash.... etc

SC2 is nothing compared to BW at the moment. A lot of the hype and excitement has to be fabricated for the moment which Brood War never needed. Look at your game now, what happened? Where are your chat channels? Wasn't it supposed to come by now? What about the marketplace? For mapmakers to sell their maps.... it's been pushed back to Heart Of The Swarm(Maybe I'll get it by then because selling maps means there'll be quality maps and campaigns). Where are the clans and groups facilities? Why are you taking the extra charges(USD75) for your SC2 from Blizz(or IAH) lying down like a coward? Clan channels? You foolhardily defend Blizz due to your reckless purchase thinking this game is the best thing ever but you still don't complain to demand the best value for the price you paid to Blizzard. You're being ignorant if you think I have been against Blizz with all my rants all this while.

I am still not gonna make the purchase. I probably have enough patience to eventually wait for the BattleChest since Steam sales have been making me enjoy a very very wide variety of games while you are stuck with either trying to spend as much time as possible on SC2 with the same old boring shit every night or your SC2 is installed on your PC but left to rot burning your early purchase value if you do what I do which is buying a variety of original games at low low prices and playing all of them.

I do not deny the potential but it is looking to take too damn long and my money and time looks to be better spent elsewhere while I wait for the successor of Brood War to arrive whether in one special patch or expansion or in another game.

TL;DR It is still not the best time for outsiders to jump in unless you have money to burn. You won't be enjoying it enough for the price you paid. Don't be afraid to voice out even the most minor annoyances. How can Blizzard be good if they don't hear about what is good for you?

PS. Meanwhile, please check out Steam during the Xmas period. I own 100+ original games on Steam(PM me for proof) and I still pirate. I don't pirate SC2 to own it for free. Only third world mentality people think like that ...which is most of Malaysia ...which is why I do not bother to reply to them because talking to stubborn donkeys is a waste of energy.

PPS. Free weekend came too late. I guess my target now is wait Heart Of The Swarm unless there is a special patch happens before that.
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QUOTE(JackAlvins @ Nov 18 2010, 06:02 PM)
Not that many know Moon or Grubby... 
And how many people know of anyone in DOW....
while StarCraft BroodWar too many people know of Boxer, Yellow, NalRa, Reach, iloveOOv, JulyZerg, Nada, Savior, Bisu, Stork, Jaedong, Flash.... etc

SC2 is nothing compared to BW at the moment. A lot of the hype and excitement has to be fabricated for the moment which Brood War never needed. Look at your game now, what happened? Where are your chat channels? Wasn't it supposed to come by now? What about the marketplace? For mapmakers to sell their maps.... it's been pushed back to Heart Of The Swarm(Maybe I'll get it by then because selling maps means there'll be quality maps and campaigns). Where are the clans and groups facilities? Why are you taking the extra charges(USD75) for your SC2 from Blizz(or IAH) lying down like a coward? Clan channels? You foolhardily defend Blizz due to your reckless purchase thinking this game is the best thing ever but you still don't complain to demand the best value for the price you paid to Blizzard. You're being ignorant if you think I have been against Blizz with all my rants all this while.

I am still not gonna make the purchase. I probably have enough patience to eventually wait for the BattleChest since Steam sales have been making me enjoy a very very wide variety of games while you are stuck with either trying to spend as much time as possible on SC2 with the same old boring shit every night or your SC2 is installed on your PC but left to rot burning your early purchase value if you do what I do which is buying a variety of original games at low low prices and playing all of them.

I do not deny the potential but it is looking to take too damn long and my money and time looks to be better spent elsewhere while I wait for the successor of Brood War to arrive whether in one special patch or expansion or in another game.

TL;DR It is still not the best time for outsiders to jump in unless you have money to burn. You won't be enjoying it enough for the price you paid. Don't be afraid to voice out even the most minor annoyances. How can Blizzard be good if they don't hear about what is good for you?

PS. Meanwhile, please check out Steam during the Xmas period. I own 100+ original games on Steam(PM me for proof) and I still pirate. I don't pirate SC2 to own it for free. Only third world mentality people think like that ...which is most of Malaysia ...which is why I do not bother to reply to them because talking to stubborn donkeys is a waste of energy.

PPS. Free weekend came too late. I guess my target now is wait Heart Of The Swarm unless there is a special patch happens before that.
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Seriously, for RTS fans out there, who don't find SC2 is like the best out of all? And ya, am not defending Blizz or what, a lack of some features still need to be improved by them in Bnet. And by the way, who don't know about the cheap sales from Steam? Again, most of them are FPS and still there's some people out there find that RTS suit them more and they go for that.

Still, I think SC2 hold the largest pool of prize among all at the time, simply look at how many tourneys going on.
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honestly i think the price is justified...
RM220 for 2 both SEA + NA...
the multiplayer is where i spent (i think close to 200hrs ++ on) already....
if u have frens to play with, sc2 is a gem imho...
me n my friends kept playing together up to the point i barely have time for 1v1s

i bought l4d2 on steam and i only spent like 10-20 hrs on it before stopping it for good...

for some1 who have bought ps3 games, WoW etc, i think u can blame our weak currency for the high price of games...


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QUOTE(smartleader @ Nov 18 2010, 06:25 PM)
Seriously, for RTS fans out there, who don't find SC2 is like the best out of all? And ya, am not defending Blizz or what, a lack of some features still need to be improved by them in Bnet. And by the way, who don't know about the cheap sales from Steam? Again, most of them are FPS and still there's some people out there find that RTS suit them more and they go for that.

Still, I think SC2 hold the largest pool of prize among all at the time, simply look at how many tourneys going on.
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most games on steam doesnt really interest me...
l4d only had me playing for 10-20 hrs as i've said...

sc2's best part is the number of players playing it (l4d is close to dying imho)...
most of my frens got sc2 ori due to the multiplayer...
even the pirates when to buy the ori after saving since the multiplayer with friends is what making this game so great...

the campaign is well polished even if i dun really liked the story...
besides the original dark reign, this is by far the most played RTS in my life (and its just few months back)

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 18 2010, 06:29 PM)
honestly i think the price is justified...
RM220 for 2 both SEA + NA...
the multiplayer is where i spent (i think close to 200hrs ++ on) already....
if u have frens to play with, sc2 is a gem imho...
me n my friends kept playing together up to the point i barely have time for 1v1s
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Exactly. Totally worth it rclxm9.gif



@someone else for creating tons of reason for not buying SC2,
Do you think blizzard don't have to maintain their server across the whole world to keep millions of people happy all the time. Can you imagine those hard work? They basically have to work continuously; to patch the game, maintaining server; expanding server, lalala. This game is make so playable even for low-spec computer (4 years ago computer) while the graphic is totally amazing. Tell Crysis to do that!

If someone is gonna give excuse for waiting (wait forever la) for LAN to come b4 buy it... Pls, when LAN come (which I highly doubt it), you will just pirated it anyway. Cut the bull sht

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I really hope NK and SK go war and destroy themself in the end.
No more Kespa, no more Korean, no more arguments.

(joke la tongue.gif ) laugh.gif
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I really hope NK and SK go war and destroy themself in the end.
No more Kespa, no more Korean, no more arguments.

(joke la tongue.gif ) laugh.gif
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u do realize that all SK are capable enuff to take on NK consider they play sc rite? =p
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 24 2010, 10:36 AM)
u do realize that all SK are capable enuff to take on NK consider they play sc rite? =p
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NK knows of ZERG RUSH. tongue.gif
Anyway, back to the topic, I don't really care much about international stuffs.
Heck even if Kespa manage to restrict their players from playing SC2, it doesn't really affect us much in Malaysia.

I'm not sure whether Blizzard will care about them or not, but whether it happens or not, I won't affect us at all. LOL
SC2 will be there, Bnet will be there.
So buy the game if u want, then play, whether there's korean or not. tongue.gif

Oh, and about the LAN stuffs, I support they remove the LAN function. No more "Gay-Arena" telling bullshit that they supporting original, while their 90% of their users are using pirated copy. Funny, haha... doh.gif
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Fark Blizzard and their excuses.

First they killed of LAN capabilities

Then they segmented SC2 into 3 CDs eventhough they are the same game.

It all goes down to money. Starcraft owed much of their success to KeSPA and now Blizzard wants to financially milk them off. Starcraft is a good game but without the oversensationalized hype in South Korea they would not be able to achieve the lsame evel of success as what they are now. Talk about gratitude. BOLLOCKS!

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Nov 24 2010, 10:45 AM)
Fark Blizzard and their excuses.

First they killed of LAN capabilities

Then they segmented SC2 into 3 CDs eventhough they are the same game.

It all goes down to money. Starcraft owed much of their success to KeSPA and now Blizzard wants to financially milk them off. Starcraft is a good game but without the oversensationalized hype in South Korea they would not be able to achieve the lsame evel of success as what they are now. Talk about gratitude. BOLLOCKS!
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IF you read carefully and understand about the EULA, you should have know that Kespa is actually on the fault, I mean LEGAL FAULT.

The LAN capabilities? I support all the way up, to all the games. Seriously, giving you guys a LAN will only give excuses for you to pirate it out and play as a Gay-ers. *Note : I do not mean to point at your personally. I'm pointing at those who does.

About the segmented, well who cares. All the games does that todays. As long as they don't release all 3 chapter together and asking end users to pay RM600-700 in one shot. I know RM200+ games is a bit expensive, but given time, 6 months to 1 year after the release and Blizzard release the 2nd chapter, you could able to save up your pocket money for the game. Yes? No? RM1 per day and half year you get yourself around there.

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