Hey guys, lately there seems to be this new MLM, focusing on health products named Agape.

I have a couple of friends keep asking me to join, trying to convince me their strategy is totally different from other MLM.

Anybody heard of this before?

Please share your thought. thanks.

http://www.agapeatp.com/index.php?option=c...ntpage&Itemid=1

All MLM is the same. To make money, you have to recruit people.

and they all use fake science to con-vince you that their products are out of this world! (and thus no medical/science reports of it)

MLM = Multi Level Marketing = Recruit people. There is no such thing as DIFFERENT MLM.

There is only DIFFERENT Commission, DIFFERENT Products, etc.

Thoughts from MLM thread.

For once, did their seminars doesnt involve belittling "lowly" wage earners and say these people 100 years also cannot retire rich ?

Typical MLM brain wash tactic.

thanks for sharing some inputs.

attended their "talk" last week, sounds like thier product is damn good, is like saving the world...hahahha...damn impressed by thier talk cock skill

So have you join them after their talk cock talk TS?

Please share

haha, all MLM product are 'super' good. once my friend told me, his organic product is 5 star organic level, certified from USA. BUT there is no such thing as star rating for organic, and.. the product don't even have certification from USDA's organic certification. Their is company not even in the list of certified organic supplier in USA.

but still selling like hot cake...

Beware of scam..

I think this agape has been around for quite some time...

some are scams and some are for real .... MLM is just a business tools if u guys don't understand .... just that most company in Malaysia had misused it .... then only make people think that recruit and recruit ... do nothing ... when they're desperate .... they simply promise something that they couldn't give to u ...

ask urself .... at that point of time ... u get conned .... why ?? ... stupid ?? ... greedy ?? ... or really think MLM can work ???

i personally had funded my family's financial for months ... thanks to MLM ...if im still working ... my debt literally getting higher and higher ... a good company where u're mentioning .... if u ever meet our boss ... dato dr how kok choong (justice of peace a.k.a Jaksa) then u question him if u dare ....

i have just heard this from my colleagues..actually they do not intend to tell me cause they scare that it will scare me off.. but i say never mind.. just share with me what u guys are doing... so this agape is what he told me.. i think the system is more the less the same like any other MLM but the way that u earn profits is difference...maybe the margin profit of this system is higher or lower.. as their products, i do not really know much, but it seems that there are few books mentioning about them.. and some are famous and top guys from the health world.. y did i know that? because i myself is very health conscious person.. and for these ppl to mention about these products it should be their own benefits... but of course i would not say their products are 100% damn good.. cause me myself still doing some research on it..... i think money won't come down from the sky... even MLM is very difficult for u to be rich from that... i think its good to take this opportunities to earn some extra cash in, just like part time...and their CEO is a very well recognized person in the Chinese Community...yes i meantioned chinese not because i'm racism, its because the big country China also recognizes him. its up to you to trust or not... but to me.. its not bad thing if u can earn money from it... hehe.. =))

Not everyone suits MLM la. That why some who don't work it out in MLM, says MLM in negative ways. Although some MLM do intend to con people.

Its starting back....... recruiting is starting back......... scarry...........

yea it's coming back

What kind of story they gave u this time?
Apparently they claim that big boss have some share to give to the downline... ( Given to relative and no black n white)
Need to invest 28k ( 18k product + 10k Investment)
Then will be qualify for distributor. and need to continue to look for downline..
also the 18k product will be given either in lump sum or can be distribute in 10 month period.
There is also 1 trip within SEA country.

The 10k Investment deal sound like this... u can sell your share back to upline (relative) if u want to withdraw...

1. 10k use to purchase 10,000 unit of share in OTC.
(0.20USD pershare - Est total 2,000 USD)

2. By Jan 2018 expected the share will rise to 0.80 USD per share after listed in stock exchange.( from Insider)
(your money will grow up to RM36k)

3. By April 2019 will be listed in Nasdaq. Share will jump to 4.00 USD each.
( your money will grow more up to RM200k)

For me, Its too good to be true, but sad things is that alot of my relative , especially old one kena temp by this.
will popcorn soon on next Jan...

What is the story from your end ...?? can share???

Might as well say that the share will go up to 200USD since they are not accountable if whatever they say is not accurate.

Now the economics are bad, scammers tend to use "greed" as bait

more or less the same story, but not so extreme as yours

my side only offer to join with 18k then find 14 people to become ruby, then train 4 of the 14 to become another rubys, then I'll become diamond.
diamond within this year is offered 280k ipo share on otc

How is this product different from Cellfood?

I have friends that tried to recruit me as well by saying the same thing.
They dont stress on the health products but pitch you on the IPO plan.
But I'm not sure about the black & white though.
To me, it is too good to be true as well. They say the dato sri is too rich so now he wants to use this way to give back to the society.
And I don't who is this dato sri. Having a JP doesn't mean whatever he says is solid or genuine right?
Too many scams around nowadays so it makes all these biz opportunities seem fake.

January is just around the corner.... i going to see alot millionaires relatives ....

Don't get it. Mind to elaborate?

2. By Jan 2018 expected the share will rise to 0.80 USD per share after listed in stock exchange.( from Insider)
(your money will grow up to RM36k)

Wahahahahaaaa

Not sure they projecting or speculating

It's MLM for sure, just hope it's not some ponzi or scam scheme

By Jan 18 your money sure will grow until 36k but you wont stop at this moment because is really happen. When come to April 19 than you will heard some diff story.....

You will never know is ponzi or not until its happen. Look at what happen with jjptr ???

1st of all, their product is a really healthy or not is very questionable..as all of their members claimed they feel good and feel better after took their product merely after few months...is it because of some "substances" in the product that make you feel good? Rather that really healthy in the long term?

Secondly, their big boss, Dato How claimed that the share price will have no problem to increase from USD1 to USD10 at all. And the reason he is offering this IPO to members only, is because he want to reward his members that fight alongside with him, and he want to give back to society. What a bullshit?

USD1 to USD10 is 10 times of capital appreciation, sound too good to be true??!?!?!

Whoever that have more information, pls. come forward to unmask this, before it done more damages to the old folks that are majority of the victims.

If their products are really as miraculous as what they claimed, how come they weren't recommended by doctors? I heard from the agents it could be used for menstruation, pimples, fitness and other issues. Sounds too good to be true.

Now they are saying the company has been listed. Not sure listed at where though...

Soon to be listed. Somewhere early next year. Let's wait and see..

no leh.. that day my friend called me.. said listed dy.. duno which company under them listed though...

Really? I remember my friend mentioned end of the year or something. The stock code will be AAGP

You check with your source and see. They posted facebook lol.

To be listed on US OTC in Jan-2018, and soon to be listed on NASDAQ in Dec-2019...

Checked that OTC is very loose in control and regulation...

I din invest... . Lol wahaha

sounds dubious, think twice

When your 'experts' cannot tell the difference between mitochondria and mitochondrial, Biomedicine and Biomedical, I assure you - you better find new friends lest you become as stupid as they are.

Basically, not a single piece of reliable information from the website. Every paragraph is bullshit with no actual fact or content to determine what exactly they are claiming for their product or service. Please la - this is zaman apa sudah? Even a non-medicine grad can tell its BS.

Just for the laughs - this is their research lab:
AGAPE SUPERIOR LIVING SDN BHD
No. 17, 17-1,17-2 & 17-3,
Wisma Laxton, Jalan Desa,
Taman Desa,
Off Jalan Klang Lama,
58100 Kuala Lumpur,
MALAYSIA.

A couple of office lots in some Taman. "inside" and "outside" cell health my ass. Even I can still come up with better BS than that if I wanted to cheat some uneducated aunties.

Wait wait wait... this one tops it all:
Why ATP Zeta Super Duper Health Dominate the World Screw Trump Program?
"A complete prevention nutrition program to achieve vitality, beauty and healthy"

Can we hire Agent 47 please? I think these guys are achieving too much healthy I kenot tahan dy.


This post has been edited by Dezs: Dec 5 2017, 03:58 PM

But this agape have 13 years in Malaysia already since 2004.... if got problem why agape still in Malaysia market today???


Someone compare with agape with Moonspace, both also get OTC & will listed in Nasaq US .....omg...

Your parents also survived for 60 years believing whatever crap they got from their superstitious beliefs. So did we get to the modern age today once believing that stones have ghosts in them.

If you want to waste your own money on falsely advertised products, be my guest. Else don't you dare sell a lie to take advantage of the less educated. We shall see their listings. As my checks go, nowhere found. Journals and proof of research, zilch.

You also survived till whatever age you are today without being 100% honest to yourself or people around you la wei.

If you want to counter an argument please provide facts and not just because of the duration of the company.

Not yet listed right? Don't say it too soon.

I found this

Pls help to take a look and comment, thanks

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/171...agape_s1reg.htm

what does this mean? that is just a private placement only? not open to public?
any idea?




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don't be too happy too if it is labelled as "listed" or "open to public"....
ex....the stock may be labelled as "listed in the Bursa and open to trade by the public"...but does it has the daily trading volume?
Don't be "fooled" by the word "listed in the open market"........previously there is this M'sia 2nd board.......
many companies are listed there (open to public to trade).......have you noticed how many of them has trading volume that can generate interest?.......
unless they are "manipulated" with a purpose in mind...

Par Value 0.00001, and selling for $1, ROFL




Name: How Kok Choong Signature: /s/ How Kok Choong Title: CEO, President, Secretary, Treasurer, Director (Principal Executive Officer; Principal Financial Officer; Principal Accounting Officer)

Date: August 24, 2017


1 man show company? Who dare to invest? Laughing my ass off!

Wah, you means agape cheat people on this??

I think they use this as "black & white" to ask ppl use 20k to join as member & use anorther usd 5k to buy thier OTC...... Total need invest rm40k

you are actually buying the shares from the previous shareholders, check and see the list of current shareholders benefiting from ur investment.

but who cares, high risk high rewards right?

who cares, high risk high rewards right?
.......there is a very thin line between suckers and those that do calculated high risk investment....

i attended one of the these meeting back in june. i was told that this deal was ending soon but in fact they are still offering you that?
well, now i am feeling doubtful of that

Offering this OTC shd end in this 30th Dec 17.

The product has been in the market for more than 10++ years. ANy idea why only now they decided to apply for IPO?

possibility of trying to do the money game bandwagon?
"IPO" is a new word they try to use to manipulate the minds? NOT ALL IPO are the same.....just read few posts back regarding that IPO.....

just a thought of mine without proof wan-lah....

Monspace also using same way, IPO. Now monspace already black listed by Bank Negara. How about this Agape??

I think monspace overkilled it by "mimic/advertise" it monspace airline promo....thus fell into the eye of the BNM....others....maybe soon or never for the food is still enough to spread around for now...

On another side, it could be sth legit like amway? Health, mlm..

yes,....except the current promo is the "IPO" and the 40k investment...(per post# 49)

This post has been edited by MUM: Dec 26 2017, 12:23 AM

please take note that the shares u're buying are not tradable in the stock exchange yet.

not tradeable yet after buying??
as per below post,...then it is sort of paying RM40 000 for a product that worth only RM 4.....and yet one cannot resell it....
(hope/assuming my calculation of 40k = 4 is correct)
still got people buying that

I tot you can trade anytime you want?? No?? Omg...

U go in pay 20k buy 6 set of agape than become thier distributor, this 20k confrim not refund lor. How about the usd 5k leh?? Can not trade meh if need money ar??

see post # 60?

So, now is Feb 2018, what is the status? I saw the share still pending in US stock market. Pending for approval?

Yes, from what I heard they are applying and have high confidence to be listed on NYSE

Any latest update??

Well i attended one of their presentation on Sunday at Aloft Hotel KL (Just 2 days ago) and here is what I managed to remember or write down or from google research info

1) They had an elaborate timeline on when they plan this and that. Sounds good on paper but then murphy's law comes to the picture. Dr How even came and talk in chinese but I don''t understand it. Some people even gave a standing ovation, mostly are the people up in front with special tables.

2) They had photographers.. previously my friend claimed they were media. But no logo on their camera indicating they were from any media. I am thinking more like freelance photographers

3) They claim 2017 they had USD 2 mil net profit and project in 2018 to have USD 5 mil net profit. Following 5 years project to have USD 100 mil (can't remember if this is net profit or revenue)

4) Current independent valuation of USD 400 mil but when I ask one of their agents in a closed room, 1 to 1 briefing. He doesn't know. Sounds fishy there

5) Mr How serves multiple key roles in the organization. I am worried there is no segregation of duties or good corporate governance. One man controlling all the key position in the company.
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/p...capId=317643712

6) Underwriter of the share issuance is Network 1 financials. The speaker was a westerner Mr Adam Pasholk. I can't find any picture of him to validate if it is really him or not
https://network1.com/
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/p...0Systems,%20Inc.

Underwriters are just there to help make sure all shares are taken up at the right pricing during IPO. Doesn't give a guarantee that this investment is the real or not

7) During my one to one meeting with one of their senior agents he showed me one of their package. Invest RM 19K get 2000 shares and returns are from 70% to 130%. That's red flag no 1. No investment can give that much return. So i asked if i can take a picture of that package flatly denied the opportunity. If the investment is real, why can't i take a picture of it.

8) Noticed the words they used when assuring shares can hit USD 4 during listing is 'we believe'. I asked what happens if cannot achieve. Is there any black and white. Agent during 1 to 1 briefing didn't answer it. Instead used Dr How's name claiming he is rich, awarded by so many awards and recognized everywhere. Takkan he want cheat money and spoil his good name bcuz of this..

9) Lastly saw briefly on their slide, something looks lie FINRA. Google it and this is what i came up with

http://www.finra.org/

I am not sure if Agape is registered and planning to register with them but a search on their website yields no result on agape

informative compilation.....

My friend in Agape told me the price of the share is confirmed more than 10USD or more. I don't know how he confirmed it and I didn't ask much. And he asked to read any English newspaper regarding Agape/ Dato Sri acquire Unreserved Media 20% share lol. Anyone saw the news yet? I certainly have not read any newspaper yet today.

There is no way one can confirmed share price before listing. Sure you may set a high price, but market forces will adjust it once you go listing. The minimum price for trading on NYSE is USD 4 per share.. maybe that's where Agape get their target from.

We all know Avon products right. According to NYSE, their share price is only at USD 2.84 at time of posting.
https://www.nyse.com/quote/XNYS:AVP

I do not know so much about share price so Avon price might be low due to trading size

I don't see how Agape who is new compared to Avon can simply overtake Avon in an instant provided their trading size is the same unit


The common story is that Dr How wanted to help us Malaysians.. that's what i heard from my friend. Not sure about others. But if his intent is really to help, why limit investment to a minimum of RM 19K. Not everyone has the fund to just burn like that. Why not give ppl the opportunity to invest in smaller lot ?

This post has been edited by jarodlim: Mar 27 2018, 05:53 PM

Ya that's what I meant. Nobody can confirm the share price that's why I think it's fishy.
Also I dont see any news on this dato sri acquire anything. lol.
The health product might be true but the whole biz plan to me it's a joke. 19k really not a small amount.

I attended one of their sessions and noticed the same thing.

1) The whole session was conducted in Chinese. If you're going international, then do it the international way. What is with having the entire thing in Chinese?

2) It's more like selling and promoting the Datuk rather than the products. Agree it's like a 1-man show. Yes, the Datuk might have this achievement and that credentials, but what happen to the company when he is no longer there. Sustainability, eh?

3) They're convincing people to pay RM18k for the product to be entitled for the pre-IPO share. If the company really has potential, why the rush? I can still buy the shares later on and still make gains if the company is really making money

Not to say this is a scam or money-game scheme, but somehow I could not find much information of the company besides some SEC stuff online

When I turned down my friend, he said it's ok because he will be making lots of money in upcoming years.
Then he said if need health products can find him
I think they got brain washed big time!

Unlike other MLMs like NuSkin, MLM or Elken, I could not find much information about Agape on the web. Did you friend tell you whether it is a US or Malaysia company?

What I remember is the company is Malaysia and the products are from US.

They are not focus on thier product. Thier focus is how to make big money after listed in US


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What I remember is the company is Malaysia and the products are from US.

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They are not focus on thier product. Thier focus is how to make big money after listed in US
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What I remember is the company is Malaysia and the products are from US.

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Are you one of their members? How is it going?

You can read this latest news regarding Unreserved and Dato Sri How.

https://www.star2.com/entertainment/2018/04...malaysia-visit/

This is about idris alba

Any update about this listed topic??

They don't really focus on the products. More on stocks and IPO

Interesting, Malaysian company want to get listed in US.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/171...agape_s1reg.htm

https://www.last10k.com/sec-filings/aac

This post has been edited by alexei: Jun 25 2018, 10:50 AM

read from post 44 page 3.....already being unmasked by many, many months back....

Ok, the SEC filing was long ago.
What about the 10-K filing in March 2018? What does it mean? Genuinely asking here.

Results ofOperation
For the three months endedMarch 31, 2018 and2017
Revenues
For three months ended March 31, 2018 and 2017, the Company has generated no revenue.
Net Loss
Our net loss for three months ended March 31, 2018were $28,856, while for three months ended March 31, 2017were $Nil.
For the nine months endedMarch 31, 2018 and2017
Revenues
For nine months ended March 31, 2018, we realized revenue in the amount of $487,626, which is greater than $Nil for nine months ended March 31, 2017. The revenue
is derived fromthe sale of our healthy food products. Our gross profits for the nine months ended March 31, 2018 were $45,654, which is greater than $Nil for nine
months ended March 31, 2017. We attribute the increase in revenue and gross profit to increase of market exposure and the introduction of newproducts in 2017. We
believe that in order to retain and maintain more customers in the future we must increase ourmarketing efforts and or develop newproducts.
https://www.last10k.com/sec-filings/1713210...2-18-006857.htm

Any update for agape listing in US? Now almost end of july 2018, still cannot find any news about agape listed in OTC US.

this is like moonspace?

I saw the update of listed had change from Nasdaq to NYSE by Mar 2019.
Doubts they looking for more “investor” and “$”???

Interesting, some more it is a MLM company.
I have someone’s become Diamond within few months, doubts how much $ needed to invest?

You have someone? You mean you're also part of it?

what is the listing requirement for Nasdaq? got so easy to get listed one meh?

their revenue is little only

This post has been edited by labtec: Aug 1 2018, 07:44 PM

I mean my relatives / friends. I am not part of them lah.
I also being mocked by them after I not believe and support and rejected to know more. They just keep showing off how good of their lifestyle after joined.

Actually I not listen and interest the full and actual MLM plan and IPO. My opinion that if they had so good and effective of products, then focus on products. That it.
Why must pay 18K and looking a lot of 18K from others for recognition or pay more for IPO? This so called “help people”. Nowadays it look like 18K is so easily to get. Haha.

Haha, anyway I will have a lot of millionaires relatives / friends in future.

No ideas. I had rejected to know more from them.
They updated to listing in NYSE instead of NASDAQ.
Revenue also no ideas ~ haha. You read post #86, May ask MUM to give more info.

I just know quite a numbers of my relatives / friends joined. RM18K with products and a short SEA trip. Then IPO, not sure how much they invest. Those youngster looking for parents and senior relatives to join or they so called “help” people to “earn” USD.