http://www.kitguru.net/software/gaming/jul...i-for-xbox-720/

More hints pointed towards 2012 release window for next gen consoles.

If you follow pc graphic cards, Krishna hits the sweet spot, and will raise the mainstream bar a little closer to high end. it'd be interesting if it enters both pc and console gaming,
your laptops/desktop will be have same graphical and computational prowess as your consoles.
Meaning, now ppl can buy pc without worrying about upgrading, cos the gpu and cpu are the same, multiplatform games should look better/as good as the console counterpart.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display...ence_to_PC.html

Krishna and Sandy Bridge would make pc more console-like experience,
but they'd also make consoles more pc-like.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/portal-2...tiplayer-and-a/

Portal 2 would be the first game cross-platform gaming(pc and ps3), and Im sure more games will come.

This is so true the reasons y there is no keyboard and mouse support for consoles.It defeats the purpose to play using keyboard and mouse when u can do that with your pc.When u think of consoles,u think of controllers

Hmm...i still hope that Sony dont release Ps4 so early..i juz plan to buy Ps3 next month...later they make Final Fantasy XV for Ps4,then i cannot play adi

But i do believe they wont release any new consoles this year,for both Sony and Microsoft.Their Ps3 and Xbox 360 is doing fine now and now developers r trying to make more games for the consoles.They wanted to squeeze more profit from their most popular console before moving on.Plus,to make a new console,it must be better and different than the current one.For that,i think they might need more time to develop it and therefore they released Kinect and etc.

Both ps3 and xbox360 still have much to catch up on it's platform. Many classic games are still in the process of remade to work on ps3 and xbox360. Wii will probably come up with something new due to it's incapability to cope with high end graphics and also piracy.

PS3 for sure wont be moving on to 4 in this year or even next year. They might announced 4 next year but it'll be 2-3yrs time to develope after announcement. They have been hammering on alot of firmware updates to deal with jailbreaks recently. If they wants to upgrade to 4, they might just stop dealing with jailbreak totally and leave it as it is like ps2.

Actually nowadays , most company wont take the initiative to release their product first. What they did is wait for the other side to release first and review heavily on their opponent's product. After that just provide a few features that other opponent doesnt have and release it . The rest will leave to their loyal fans to spread words for them and advertise their product. It's free , effortless and best of all save them money to advertise lol..

Lol...Wii U will release April 2012.
Already told you, wii motion plus adds to the lifespan abit.
Someone bet their pants, no?

It looking more likely that m$ and sony will release their next gen console sometime around q1 2013, announcement will likely be end of this year/next year E3.

the train of process is sandy bridge/ivy bridge + Llano/Krishna/Trinity adoption makes PC graphics = console graphics, then cross platform gaming should be the new fad.
word has it from the rumormill that Razer and Valve is in it together with sony for more cross platforming, with Steam+Razer Hydra.
we'll just wait and see.

Im still holding on to these, though.
http://www.imgtec.com/corporate/newsdetail.asp?NewsID=602

theres 50% chance its PC only, 50% chance its PC AND console.I dont mind waiting.Ray tracing console FTW
But the news translate to: 2012, they sell the SDK to develop softwares/games, 2013 their hardware is on the market.

theres also one more possibility,
but Id die if ray tracing wont be use in games but for simulations and high end research purposes only T_T
heres hoping mainstream = us gamers in the news.

Seriously, i think M$ and Sony wont be releasing next gen console so soon..
M$ just recently release Kinect and Xbox 360 S... And it is using HD DVD format for game... Almost same quality as Blueray disc...It will take billions of dollars for R&D a console... Why release new console when the existing one can still gives best graphic quality and gaming experiences?
Like Windows 7, it only came out when Vista failed to meet the expectation.
And MS Vista only came out after 6-7 years of XP life span... And now world wide still using Windows XP till now.. Same goes to PS1 & PS2 console. And Xboxs console.

Mang how old are you?

You guess?

err... dude MS didn't use HD DVD for games, they use standard DVD9 la..
or not they won't be any playbox games for Xbox 360 if they release it with HD DVD

fan of playbox?

wtv dude
but I'm not the one that bought RM80 for video game insurance
paid extra RM80 just for insurance for 1 game

i thought HD DVD is dead already? cant fight with bluray

Quality almost the same... But BR still wins...

Latest news on console wars.

PS4 is set to be revealed together with NewBox this coming June at E3 later this year.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-...-e3-2012-reveal

Also, ray tracing is expected to finally and formally break through the mainstream market this year.
Its interesting considering PowerVR is unrivaled in the ultra portable market, but they have yet to enter the fray against ATi and Nvidia.
Though they DID have their console debut iirc with the defunct Sega Dreamcast.
Ppl have been speculating that ATi or Nvidia is gonna buy them out, but we'll see soon enough.


http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/show...ad.php?t=159528

Going through these latest facts, ray tracing is still at a more earlier stage than previously speculated.
Though I doubt that ray tracing is gonna make it in time for consoles, this is just a heads up for console gamers, what graphical prowess could you drool over the next time around.

Theres a few things to note too.This is just pure speculation on my side, but bear with me.
The Last of Us, the latest recently announced exclusive from Sony, although set to be a PS3 release, could be a cross gen game.

What I mean is the game could be playable on the PS3 AND the future PS4, with the game being able to scale better graphically when played on the PS4.
This wont be all too surprising considering pc utilized even more scaleable graphics since forever, a measly 2 levels of scaleable graphics arent so far fetched.
If Sony ever use this cross gen strategy, they could further expand the longevity of ps3, and have considerably strong launch titles.

I also happen to have a reliable source that God of War 4 would see a March 2013 release, and this could add to the cross gen possibility even more.

Think about it.You have some strong titles coming out on ps3, and you want to have strong launch titles for ps4 too.Having these strong titles to be cross gen would kill two birds with one stone.

Nice update. We all know about Wii U and now this speculation for PS4. If the cross gen is true, then Sony may still satisfy old gamers but whats to give them the impetus to get new sales for the new console. Are we hitting a brick wall where its gonna be like the PC market where same thing just more powerful? What's next after motion sensing?

How bout the other consoles? Though am a Sony fan, still like to keep up to date with the Wiis & Xers

Agreed. I doubt the cross gen concept will be for long term. Either way SONY has to cannibalize PS3 with PS4, just like any other company.

From what I understood, when PS2 first released, backward compatibility was achievable, that meant that games could be released on PS2 and have it play better on PS3. Just like the nightshade_nova suggested, this time with greater scaled graphics.

Game developers however, denied SONY of it's plans to have this backward compatibility run on long term. Whilst some still develop games for PS2, most moved on to PS3 as they understand that when PS3 blooms, their revenue and R&D will be recovered much faster than sticking with PS2. Bluray technology that guaranteed* anti-piracy was also a major factor. With PS2 game prices crashing down (and piracy digging a hole for the already falling meteor), PS3 that is constantly being developed and guaranteed* no piracy became legit. Also, don't forget the fact that PS3 has better online features that opens up a fresh new market.

With the history of PS3's launch, the idea that kept SONY running (latest technology hardware style), the recent launch of PS Vita that promises cross platform gaming with PS3, and the fact that PS3 just reached maturity in it's life cycle. (Plus the fact that sales of PS Vita being trashed by 3DS during Christmas week) I highly doubt that PS4 will be out anytime soon. IMHO, 1.5 years later.

However, do take note that PS4 release is highly affected by M$ as SONY has already learnt it's lesson. They won't dare to play the "I release late with better technology" card anymore. A next gen console is still a next gen console, plus you release PS3 so late, how to expect ppl tahan gatal looking at 360's next gen graphics?

Better technology yes, but not later or anything far behind XBOX64012802560512010240

Regarding the technology, the idea behind PC's upgrading trend (slightly powerful but it's the same technology) is due to the fact that their R&D and the actual technology is advancing much faster than the current product life cycles. Meaning to say, I have product ABC in the market, but XYZ is already developed. I know for the fact that if I release XYZ, ABC will be cannibalized. But ABC can still earn me loads of money and the R&D for ABC ain't recovered fully yet. So what I do is, hold the production of XYZ, innovate ABC and prolong the life cycle.

Same goes with cars. Do you see solar powered cars or totally emission free and totally non-petrol cars around? The technology is already there, but all you see is hybrid cars that was founded more than half a decade ago. (And the same old Vios for close to a decade now, even the face lift was 5 years ago)

SONY and M$ will utilize whatever they have upon first sight, due to the fact that they are in a different battlefield, where timing and season plays a major role. You're talking about customers with heart of youth and curiosity that killed billions of cats. Example, we heard nothing about bluray till PS3 come about, M$ is willing to release faulty buggy systems and have updates to fix it, Wii made motion sensors and everyone tries to take a stand coming out with motion sensors to infiltrate the market, even Bethesda gave a buggy Skyrim and patch it up later just to release in November (although you can't blame Bethesda as sandbox games bugs are really hard to be discovered for a team less than 40)

All in my humble opinion. Just sharing my thoughts Do correct me if I'm wrong

This post has been edited by qisahn: Jan 11 2012, 08:24 AM

Nice piece of info. We're all entitled to our opinions, so I don't think anything you state can be necessarily wrong. I'm sure Sony doesn't want to be late to catch up (1 year after X360 launch before the PS3 came out though they catched up very very fast).

Console life is around 10 year cycle according to them with a new console every 6 - 7 years which means the existing console will last around 3-4 years before the developers stop producing for it. Like you said, the business will actually see them hold back their best technology for the consumer and just milk existing ones as much as they can. Why sell something thats 20% better now where you can sell something 10% better and consumers still pay for it (hence probably why new phones are released every 3-6 months and getting consumers caught up with the endless upgrade cycle or carry more phones in their bags).

I concur that Sony as a business unit will want to ensure they are within MS pace should they make announcement on their next console in the coming trade shows. Both companies probably don't see Wii U as much of a threat now (though Nintendo may surprise us in since I believe they would have done their consumer research homework) and will rely on hardcore gamers to fuel their growth with the advantage that PS systems tend to better integrate media services / entertainment. MS still have the advantage of better network capabilities and not sure how many of their Xbox units sold are akin to pirated products especially in the Asian markets.

Honestly, I don't know what's next for the consoles so am curious to see what what they plan to showcase. Wii U is nothing more than a semi-portable gaming console within the household in my opinion. Plus of course the upgraded specs. Will Sony & MS just push for better tech in their consoles? (bearing in mind 4K tvs are not out yet even though Sony plans to start selling them based on the recent CES) Or is it just another Playstation 3.1 and MS Xbox 480 instead of a full gen upgrade?

sorry kids, spend yer daddy's monies on smartphones instead

Its normal to deny something that might affect the investors, especially some things that the investors themselves wasn't formally informed yet.
Remember the boomerang dual shock? Its design was vehemently denied to be changed by Sony, only to be officially scrapped 6 months after that.

CVG is a very reliable source, and I dont think a senior editor would want to lay down their site's credibility that easily without concrete proof, so I strongly think that PS4 still will be unveiled this year, at E3.
From previous interview by Eurogamer, a Sony head stated that it would be "undesirable" for Sony to start late, and not announcing ps4 together with Newbox is the opposite of doing that.(remember, its just unveiling, not launching)
Looking back at E3 '05, Sony's unveiling looks "unprepared" compared to m$, but I doubt this would be the case this time around.

In short, for the PS4 unveiling at E3 this year, it will depend on m$, whether or not they reveal Newbox.
Its less likely for Sony to not unveil PS4 if m$ revealed Newbox at E3, as the next biggest gaming expo would be Gamescom which dont have as much coverage.

A few points about how I come about the speculation of crossgen gaming.
Its different than backward compatibility in a way that in actuality, they are primarily next gen games, but are also enabled to be played on a previous generation of console.

The transition of a new console has been painful for developers because every time, the developing environment are completely changed, mainly due to security causes.
But this time around, I think that Sony has been more flexible, and has been building PS4 based on current PS3, and the transition would be smoother and would be more of a evolution rather than revolution.We could see this through the developing environment of Vita, which the Unreal team took only 3 weeks to put up their demo on it.The crossplay nature of gaming between Vita and PS3 also strongly suggest the plausibility of a cross gen gaming for PS4.

The idea of crossgen gaming crossed my mind after looking at the possibilities that the date of great ps3 titles that are still coming out might coincide with the launch of PS4.Still pure speculation, though.

Lets just say that a new add-on hardware is introduced as the last resort to extend a console's lifespan.
If the Wii is any indication (barring any "milking theories"), Wii MotionPlus was released on June 2009, and the Wii U was announced June 2011, slated for release this year.
So, theres about 3 years of add-on hardware assisted longevity of a console, with 2 years for any announcement for a new console to come.
Since Move and Kinect is introduced on 2010, new console announcement around this year should be just about right.

new play station 4 will get quad-core as PS Vita?

This post has been edited by leoyew: Jan 13 2012, 11:11 AM

wii U is a good concept

ps4 n new xbox not confirmed yet, dat mean we can expect leaked pic this year