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 2012: Year of the Wii U, NewBox & PS4 at E3 '12? Cross gen games?

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post Nov 5 2010, 11:10 PM, updated 14y ago

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Im opening this thread to discuss the future gaming consoles.
Multiple sources had predicted that next gen console will be coming in 2012.

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Yerli again affirmed he believed a new console cycle would arrive sometime around 2012.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/101/1014376p1.html

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Two to three years, I reckon so. I don't have any inside information. All the first-parties have got to be working on something. The tricky thing is when do you put a stake in the ground on technology? That's the problem. You can be waiting a few extra months to implement something, but you've got to set a date to go with a certain chip at a certain point otherwise you're going to miss the key milestones.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/games...es-in-two-years

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Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot admitted that "we have now enough to help us to grow the company for not only next year but to get ready for the coming of the next generation consoles" which he predicts is "going to happen 2011, 2012."

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/01/23/ubisoft-...rdware-in-2012/

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Although they are still quite some time away, it looks like the consoles of tomorrow might get some serious tessellation support. This is not so surprising knowing that the console refresh comes in 2012, at least according to our well informed industry sources.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/2074...et-tessellation

Im predicting PS4 will be announced in Q4 2011 together with the release of PSP2 nod.gif
Its still far away, but as David Reeves said, they need to prepare for this and set a date, and 2012 seems like the most probable year
3D enabled, native tessalation, dx11/dx12 API, dynamic physics, multiple monitor supports, even APU like the Llano is possible.
Nintendo is still enigmatic, will they release a powerful console to match the graphical prowess of its competitor, or will they settle with "last gen graphics" as they did with the wii.


And then theres the question, whether m$ and sony will incorporate and integrate their new controllers into their new systems.

My biggest hope ever is Nintendo will match the two giants in terms of graphic, and its next console iteration wont be left behind.
I mean, I wish that the only thing that separates the 3 consoles are exclusive games, cos wii is currently left behind cos it cant handle the graphic for games like Enslaved, for example.

The best thing about the next console cycle is, split screen games will rise again. thumbup.gif
Not lame split screen like RE5 where the screen got resized cos hardware limitations, but full split screen and still maintaining the hd.

This post has been edited by nightshade_nova: Jan 6 2012, 09:26 PM
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post Nov 7 2010, 05:20 AM

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sony and microsot has no reason to release a new console anytime soon. they already released move/kinects, so there is no reason to release a newer console. the industry has learnt that releasing an upgrade of the previous console version won't work anymore. . when consoles are released, there must be some radical change in the way we game. nintendo knows this very well, and have already mentioned wii 2 won't be like the wii. sony and microsoft is taking that hint very seriously too.
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QUOTE(ramz @ Nov 7 2010, 05:20 AM)
sony and microsot has no reason to release a new console anytime soon. they already released move/kinects, so there is no reason to release a newer console. the industry has learnt that releasing an upgrade of the previous console version won't work anymore. . when consoles are released, there must be some radical change in the way we game. nintendo knows this very well, and have already mentioned wii 2 won't be like the wii. sony and microsoft is taking that hint very seriously too.
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if you read from the David Reeves interview quoted in the 1st post, the console refresh should come in 5 years, but both m$ and sony stopped that from happening with their new controllers,
which should add about 1-2 years to the consoles lifespan

its not that they wont release new consoles cos they got new controllers,
they made the new controllers so they have more time to prepare their new consoles
sony especially have no problems introducing a new console.
just look at ps2 now, its a great budget console with lots of great games.
ps3 will also slowly make its transition and take ps2's place when ps4 come out.

new technology means they wanted to test the market, gauge it,
just like how pspgo was, a meter for interest for psp phone, how many ppl would want their game as download only.

move and kinect imo, they wanted to know how well it would work, if its successful, they will integrate them to their new systems
if its below expectations, they might make it as just add ons as they are now

fyi, wii is also extending its lifespan with its wii motion plus, they wanted to test whether ppl are as interested in their brand of motion controller if it were more accurate.

from what I read, when interviewed, Iwata implied that wii cant just match its competitor's specs, ie, hd.

from m$ and sony pov, they need to steal the casual gamer market with move and kinect.
while from nintendo pov, they wanted to appeal to hardcore gamers with their next console

this is just a wild guess, but I think next wii will cater to fps gamers, the largest player base for online gaming.
it will probably be a new controller, or maybe old technology...say...a keyboard+mouse enabled gaming console! perfect for fps...haha
theres also a high chance they will make an exclusive mmorpg, Im thinking maybe a pokemon mmorpg brows.gif
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from MS or Sony maybe not...but from nintendo, probably. The only thing that can make MS n Sony more restless is if nintendo suddenly came up with a Wii HD update.

If they can rake up more developer after their recent announcement of the 3DS, just imagine if the next one will be the Wii HD. Most ppl have been saying Wii is for kids based on their graphics n simplistic games library but face it, this very same ppl are waggling their tounge out for games similar to what the wii hv been offering when the move n kinect came out.
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QUOTE(ramz @ Nov 7 2010, 05:20 AM)
sony and microsot has no reason to release a new console anytime soon.
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The next wii is most likely released in 2012. That's how I see it.
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i have met uncle ben. its all about money that i don't think sony/ms will release a new console soon. u don't want to confuse the market after a move/kinect release. don't think like a malaysian for awhile. getting a new console for better graphics and better processing power doesn't work anymore! in malaysia yes it works, but we talking about worldwide maarket.

p.s. my prediction wii 2 will release fall 2011. kyo, let's bet who wins. winner get to keep his pants.

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QUOTE(ramz @ Nov 8 2010, 03:11 PM)
i have met uncle ben. its all about money that i don't think sony/ms will release a new console soon. u don't want to confuse the market after a move/kinect release. don't think like a malaysian for awhile. getting a new console for better graphics and better processing power doesn't work anymore! in malaysia yes it works, but we talking about worldwide maarket.

p.s. my prediction wii 2 will release fall 2011. kyo, let's bet who wins. winner get to keep his pants.
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It doesn't work like that anymore. It's all about how hardcore you are, the more hardcore the more graphic b****ing you are.
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Nov 8 2010, 12:51 AM)
The next wii is most likely released in 2012. That's how I see  it.
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2012 end of the world already..... whistling.gif
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Fall 2011 eh ramz? Ok, mari kita lihat. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nwk @ Nov 8 2010, 03:19 PM)
2012 end of the world already..... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Nov 7 2010, 11:00 PM)
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This is exactly the reason why they will not be releasing a new console.
Developing the technology needed for a new console takes up a lot of money compared to giving it extra upgrades like kinect and move. More often than not, more money is loss because they're releasing a new console immaturely.
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personally for me, I am not ready for a new console. PSP and DS have aged gracefully, so the red carpet goes to them. But not the current gen consoles. Why did 360 released so early? Yeah, bigger chunk of market share. And its us who suffered, YLOD, 3ROD .. you name it. all the product of immature engineering AND failed QC. I wish, the companies will at least, extend the ccurrent console life to at least seven to eight years more. But that only happens in My Little Pony land. Not here. They are here to make money.
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I am hoping PS3 could last longer, at least before the hype of newer generation
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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Nov 8 2010, 03:17 PM)
It doesn't work like that anymore. It's all about how hardcore you are, the more hardcore the more graphic b****ing you are.
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malaysia knows hardcore more then anyone. that is y sony sells very well here. sony=hardcore=malaysia. the rest of the world know nothing about hardcore. that is y the rest of the world buys wii.
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Nov 8 2010, 12:51 AM)
The next wii is most likely released in 2012. That's how I see  it.
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yup
its going to be console wars all over again come q4 2011, where m$ sony and nintendo will announce their new consoles,
so the release window is likely in q3 2012

QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 8 2010, 06:37 PM)
This is exactly the reason why they will not be releasing a new console.
Developing the technology needed for a new console takes up a lot of money compared to giving it extra upgrades like kinect and move. More often than not, more money is loss because they're releasing a new console immaturely.
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wrong...
just see how hasty m$ is, cos they are the most greedy bastards out of the three,
cos they know, early birds get the worms.
they lost quite a lot early, but it was worth long term wise cos they got the headstart and hence, larger user base.

developers are spending a lot of money to be the first
this time around, I bet sony is going to be first.

and dont worry about consoles dying ever again, with industry's newest 28nm processing techs thumbup.gif

QUOTE(ajis @ Nov 8 2010, 09:18 PM)
I am hoping PS3 could last longer, at least before the hype of newer generation
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dont worry la...see how sony still support ps2 after a long time, ps3 also will get the same treatment.
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I'm expecting Nintendo to announce something year end of 2011. The console (revised date) will then be released in 2013.

The reason why end of 2011 is because 3DS just got off hot of the heels. They need a new tech to show something really good coming from Nintendo again. We've got Motion Controllers. Heck, the best they could do now, bundle in Wiinect. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ramz @ Nov 8 2010, 03:11 PM)
p.s. my prediction wii 2 will release fall 2011. kyo, let's bet who wins. winner get to keep his pants.
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you might lose your pants dude...
with wii remote plus, that itself adds 1-2years to wii lifespan.
the remote is slated for release November 11 for japan
being pessimistic and all, that the remote plus only extends the wii for a year, that would already make winter 2011 to be earliest

but enough predictions about dates la...and more about our hopes for next gen.
my top 3:

1.wii for the hardcore, so I can play my mario AND the next COD on the same console
2.more split screen games
3.mouse+kb with my consoles!
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QUOTE(nightshade_nova @ Nov 10 2010, 04:09 PM)
3.mouse+kb with my consoles!
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actually i'm kind of surprise why there's no real kb n mouse support for console games until now

yeah motion control can be fun but for fps, nothing beats the traditional mouse n kb...motion control can really leave ur arm and shoulder sore and it's not really that easy to aim after a while.
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QUOTE(PhoenixByte @ Nov 10 2010, 08:23 PM)
actually i'm kind of surprise why there's no real kb n mouse support for console games until now

yeah motion control can be fun but for fps, nothing beats the traditional mouse n kb...motion control can really leave ur arm and shoulder sore and it's not really that easy to aim after a while.
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actually there is
unreal tournament 3 can use kb+mouse on console, but thats on game developers side
console companies frown on m+kb

reasons:
1.if consumers are given kb+m, later they want more, and theyd have to please the consumers demand.next gen console is pretty much a pc with custom os.
and later will give room to hackers, etc.then ppl will question, if console can act like a pc, why make console at all?pc cant handle console games?
then pc market will increase, and console will die.

2.they think mouse and kb will impede their joypad sales, in a sense that if mouse is useable on console,
theyd be indirectly helping mouse manufacturer, and they dont have any share on that.


what I think would happen in the future is m$, sony and nintendo WILL implement a mouse+navi controller, like the fragfx and fragnstein.
nintendo, especially, wanted to expand their market to mmo and fps players (hardcore gamers market), so I guess they would jump the gun first
that way, ppl would forget about keyboard (and hopefully about how a console is actually a pc) and still get their share on the fps controller market.



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