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Duke Red
post Nov 5 2010, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Nov 5 2010, 11:35 AM)
Haven't been reading/watching the news since, oh, the last 10~20 years?
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I guess not.

Read it. Got it. My mistake oh wise one. Time for me to descend the mountain.

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post Nov 5 2010, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 5 2010, 12:15 PM)
I guess not.

Read it. Got it. My mistake oh wise one. Time for me to descend the mountain.
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Well I was only saying that you were wrong at that point. Mostly I agree with you on the other points, thus it was just a friendly sarcasm
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Nov 5 2010, 06:58 PM)
Well I was only saying that you were wrong at that point. Mostly I agree with you on the other points, thus it was just a friendly sarcasm
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Pasukan Melayu kedah telah berjaya melangkah ke peringkat suku akhir setelah Melayu Selangor tewas 3-4 kepada pasukan tuan rumah, Melayu Perak. Dan perlawanan malam esok bertemu Melayu Perak merupakan misi untuk menjadi juara Kumpulan C


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QUOTE(tenno @ Nov 4 2010, 10:12 AM)
Why are we bringing & talking about race here ? So what ? The Malays decided to have a football association & a football team. The Chinese also have that, the Indians also have that. It's not like any of teams are dominating the sport & promoting disunity among Malaysians. There are other much bigger leagues with multiracial members. Granted that, not many Chinese wanna play football. Let them be. There must be a reason for that & it's most likely will be about money or job security rather than discrimination or whatever.

Nowadays a lot of Malays also play basketball. So what ? How many Malay players U see in the national basketball team ? How many Indians ? Even the sole Indian player also went to a Chinese school (I know him personally). Do U see UMNO or any Malay associations bringing this up ? Again, it's not about racist or discrimination or anything like that. It's just about choice. U wanna play, just play la. I've played basketball & I've played in a team where I'm the only Malay. & I've played in tournaments where we were the only all Malay team. About the salary of basketball players, U hv to understand the popularity of the sport here. How many basketball arenas that charge spectators do we have in the country ? How strong is the league ? Who is the sponsor ? Dun forget that before Air Asia came in, Petronas was the main sponsor for MABA. The MABA stadium & hostel have Petronas money all over it. It's not about discrimination. Chinese ppl dun wanna come & pay to watch a Chinese dominated sport. Do we blame UMNO for that ? 

We dun need this kinda talk here. Unless one of the MCFA or MIFA qualified on merit to play in the M-League & suddenly FAM dun allow it, which is highly unlikely to happen, then there's sumthing wrong somewhere.

I rest my case.
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i have to care when Chinese do not involve in our football. They compromise of more than 30% of the population and hold more than 50% of the nation's wealth. So if we want to have an industry that reflect's Malaysia's true pontential, we must include them in the game. Both pull and ush factor must be considered.
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wow i cannot believe what im reading. Malay want Chinese to be active in football?

I thought from all those things i read from /k they would just be happy to holocaust all of us.
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QUOTE(FLampard @ Nov 15 2010, 02:25 AM)
wow i cannot believe what im reading. Malay want Chinese to be active in football?

I thought from all those things i read from /k they would just be happy to holocaust all of us.
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/k/ is racist la brader
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QUOTE(FLampard @ Nov 15 2010, 02:25 AM)
wow i cannot believe what im reading. Malay want Chinese to be active in football?

I thought from all those things i read from /k they would just be happy to holocaust all of us.
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/k id not the best place to gauge people mindset. It is filled with with racist trolls who have attention-deficit issues..

From what i read, people have only have problem with mainland Chinese (mainly towards the bias referee then the actual Chinese team) then the Malaysian ones. Even so, there are several Malaysian Chinese troublemakers who use every opportunity to take cheap potshots. Its understandable since its /k after all..

General consensus in real Malaysia football supporting world, Malay or Indian, i cannot find anyone with the intention to holocaust the Chinese. We understand that the Chinese do that to themselves in the name of freewill. They also find it necessary to bring real world issues into football itself and equates supporting Malaysia football or Malaysian national team to suppoting the goverment of the day.

Which is a complete and utter bullshit..

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Nov 15 2010, 09:29 AM)
/k id not the best place to gauge people mindset. It is filled with with racist trolls who have attention-deficit issues..

From what i read, people have only have problem with mainland Chinese (mainly towards the bias referee then the actual Chinese team) then the Malaysian ones. Even so, there are several Malaysian Chinese troublemakers who use every opportunity to take cheap potshots. Its understandable since its /k after all..

General consensus in real Malaysia football supporting world, Malay or Indian, i cannot find anyone with the intention to holocaust the Chinese. We understand that the Chinese do that to themselves in the name of freewill. They also find it necessary to bring real world issues into football itself and equates supporting Malaysia football or Malaysian national team to suppoting the goverment of the day.

Which is a complete and utter bullshit..
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post Nov 15 2010, 12:15 PM

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and your point is?
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im Malay, but TBH i cant see why this sort of association /competition (Piala Emas) /club relevant these days..

for sentimental /historical reason maybe.. play at weekend, match for the elders, kampong level competition for fun and recreational etc. but i think government /YB or any sensible corporate body should stop helping and give financial support, sponsorship to them.

the most aspect i love about sports /football coz it should be tools to unite people beyond boundaries of religion, races, colour, nation etc.

its irrelevant nowadays and honestly its kindda stupid for me.. 1Malaysia? boleh bla..

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Kelantan kecewa, PBSMM Adabi kejutkan KWSP



Kelantan gagal layak ke pusingan akhir apabila sekadar seri 3-3 menentang Selangor dalam aksi terakhir Kumpulan A Lelaki yang berakhir semalam di Kompleks Sukan Triways, Shah Alam. Walaupun berkongsi 14 mata dengan pasukan lain, Kelantan terpaksa akur apabila kelebihan jaringan tidak memihak kepada mereka. Pasukan lain yang layak dari Kumpulan A adalah Felda United selaku juara kumpulan, Pulau Pinang, Selangor PKNS dan Selangor.

Kumpulan B pula menyaksikan Pahang mencatat kemenangan ke atas T-Team dan melayakkan mereka menjadi juara kumpulan. Turut mengiringi Pahang adalah Johor FC dan Selangor MPSJ yang turut mencatat kemenangan ke atas lawan masing-masing. PBSMM Adabi yang dibarisi pasukan muda pula mengejutkan pasukan pilihan, Kuala Lumpur KWSP seterusnya layak ke pusingan akhir nanti.

Bagi Kategori Wanita, Kumpulan A diungguli Selangor yang tidak pernah tewas dan diiringi oleh pasukan Selangor PKNS, Felda United dan Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (ATM)

Kumpulan B pula menyaksikan pasukan Selangor MPSJ, Sabah UMS, PDRM dan Selangor MBPJ turut layak ke pusingan akhir.

Pusingan Akhir Liga Futsal Kebangsaan Felda FAM 2010 akan diadakan di Kompleks Sukan Negara, Seksyen 20, Shah Alam pada 26, 27 dan 28 November dengan 4 pasukan teratas setiap kumpulan layak ke Pusingan Akhir.


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im a bit curious, this PBSMM only allow 'Malay' to be their members?

what about Piala Emas Raja Raja? only 'Malay' can be registered and play?
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This is really something we don't need... Sports, has the ability to unite people, regardless of skin colour, religion or race so why has the FAM allow it to come to this?

As it is, we are already seeing a racial divide among the amateur ranks. Just go to any futsal or football tournament in Malaysia, and I guarantee you that 98% of the teams are NOT multi-racial. Heck, you don't even need a tournament to see that. You can see it happening everyday at any futsal centre in and around town, where the Malays play with the Malays, the Chinese with the Chinese and the Indians with the Indians.

I remember about 10 years ago when I was bumming around after SPM and decided to join the young 12-13 year olds for a kickabout. Horror of horrors, the teams were Malays vs Chinese/Indians!! I remember giving them a good lecture about it and from then onwards they never divided the teams that way again.

The point I'm trying to make is, is that outside of sport, the kids already have enough negative influences about race or rather the superiority of any particular race. What kind of message are we sending out to the kids if 'professional' footballers also play for their teams based on race?


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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Nov 15 2010, 12:59 PM)
im a bit curious, this PBSMM only allow 'Malay' to be their members?

what about Piala Emas Raja Raja? only 'Malay' can be registered and play?
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i also wondering about that too..

if i am not mistake, there are Indians playing in PDRM team...

and i am sure team PBSMM will hire foreign imports once they are allowed again...


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QUOTE(Zan81 @ Nov 15 2010, 01:29 PM)
This is really something we don't need... Sports, has the ability to unite people, regardless of skin colour, religion or race so why has the FAM allow it to come to this?

As it is, we are already seeing a racial divide among the amateur ranks. Just go to any futsal or football tournament in Malaysia, and I guarantee you that 98% of the teams are NOT multi-racial. Heck, you don't even need a tournament to see that. You can see it happening everyday at any futsal centre in and around town, where the Malays play with the Malays, the Chinese with the Chinese and the Indians with the Indians.

I remember about 10 years ago when I was bumming around after SPM and decided to join the young 12-13 year olds for a kickabout. Horror of horrors, the teams were Malays vs Chinese/Indians!! I remember giving them a good lecture about it and from then onwards they never divided the teams that way again.

The point I'm trying to make is, is that outside of sport, the kids already have enough negative influences about race or rather the superiority of any particular race. What kind of message are we sending out to the kids if 'professional' footballers also play for their teams based on race?
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i would rather have Malays vs Chinese/Indians then Malays vs Malays only.. at least this way you can leacture them to play together...

How would you promote national unity when you come to the field and find there are only Malays there?


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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Nov 15 2010, 12:33 PM)
im Malay, but TBH i cant see why this sort of association /competition (Piala Emas) /club relevant these days..

for sentimental /historical reason maybe.. play at weekend, match for the elders, kampong level competition for fun and recreational etc. but i think government /YB or any sensible corporate body should stop helping and give financial support, sponsorship to them.

the most aspect i love about sports /football coz it should be tools to unite people beyond boundaries of religion, races, colour, nation etc.

its irrelevant nowadays and honestly its kindda stupid for me.. 1Malaysia? boleh bla..
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i dont find it relevant for Malays and Indians to create a team as these guys already actively involved. But i do support a Chinese team. Penang use to win the Malaysia Cup with a team that have many Chinse players... i miss those days..

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Guys..This is turning into a racing thread.. doh.gif
If you guys want to race please proceed to Sportschannel/k/RWI/
Please do not bring racing into football lounge.
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Sports and race/religion/politics DO NOT mix. Propagating/promoting stuff like 'Melayu' Malaysia is unwise and unnecessary in our current climate of racial tension. If anything 'race exclusiveness' should be discouraged. I miss my school days back in Sabah when we would be cheering on our classmates of all races (I was always sadly kaki bangku) when we took on all comers in our little padang. We weren't exactly great, but it was one of the few times when everyone (rich, poor, smart, less smart, chinese, malay, kadazan, dusun, bajau and the few Indians sweat.gif) were true equals!

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On another note,

its a good job by Astro Arena to air live matches of Piala Emas Raja-Raja...

giving any underground tournament some mainstream exposure will create awareness to the public on our football scene..

hope they continue to do so with Bardhan Cup, MCFA Cup, University League, FAM Cup and MSSM Finals..


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Guys..This is turning into a racing thread.. doh.gif
If you guys want to race please proceed to Sportschannel/k/RWI/
Please do not bring racing into football lounge.
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i do not thinks our discussion have reached an unhealthy level. Up until now, all opinion has been given with utmost respect to one another..

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Nov 15 2010, 01:35 PM)
i dont find it relevant for Malays and Indians to create a team as these guys already actively involved. But i do support a Chinese team. Penang use to win the Malaysia Cup with a team that have many Chinse players... i miss those days..
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i used to heard ping pong /basketball competition for non Chinese. or non Malay Sepaktakraw.

maybe the intention are good, to promote those sports to non <certain ethnic>. to give certain ethnics different category so they can compete among themselves.

but ill never agree with it. sports are the perfect tools to unite people. let be color blind on this matter. who care if u are <certain ethnic>, if u are good enough to compete, u are in.

if this kind culture /practice encourage by the authority, 1Malaysia are just rhetoric..

for amateur /lowly level competition, if suitable, apply regulation to encourage multiracial team (eg every entry must consists at least 2 ethnics)

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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Nov 15 2010, 03:22 PM)
i used to heard ping pong /basketball competition for non Chinese. or non Malay Sepaktakraw.

maybe the intention are good, to promote those sports to non <certain ethnic>. to give certain ethnics different category so they can compete among themselves.

but ill never agree with it. sports are the perfect tools to unite people. let be color blind on this matter. who care if u are <certain ethnic>, if u are good enough to compete, u are in.

if this kind culture /practice encourage by the authority, 1Malaysia are just rhetoric..

for amateur /lowly level competition, apply regulation to encourage multiracial team (eg every entry must consists at least 2 ethnics)
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to be fair, the authorities (FAM) never force any association members to only include specific race in their team. What do they enforce is, each member association must send a team to compete in the M-League.... and FAM's member associations that never send a team before are PBSMM. MCFA and MIFA..

FAM couldn't care less if PBSMM's team consist of Malay, Iban , Bidayuh , Indian or Chinese as long as they send one to compete....

This will work well for grass root development as these race base football association has a better managed amateur level competition compare to state FAs, and talents from these competition can be upgraded to professional level through their association teams.

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