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aressandro10
post Nov 3 2010, 11:24 AM

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i normally despise racism factor in everything, but can see some positive factor if MCFA also send a team. it would at least sidetrack some factor that make Chinese disinterested to join the industry :-

1. The perceived racism in team selection
2. Stadium environment that is thick of Malay testosterone tension.
3. Hesitation to support symbol of Malay sultanate states.
4. The team would be sponsor friendly to Chinese Business Assemblies that could reflect to a stable income to the players.
5. The team's progress would be highlighted in Chinese press and means information will be dispersed. Chinese then will criticizes our football with information instead of current situation of criticizing and totally abandoning our football without any information at all.
6. This team could spearhead the industry in term of competitiveness, survival instinct and profit orientiveness. Qualities that are famously attached to Malaysian Chinese. This will jolt other FAs to do better.


Added on November 3, 2010, 11:29 amwonders where is the home base for this Malay football team ?

may i take a guess that it is somewhere in Pasir Mas, Kelantan wink.gif

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post Nov 3 2010, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Nov 3 2010, 11:35 AM)
why you bring this?


because thats what i think and i would like to discuss it. I want all malaysian to join the football industry. If the Chinese refuse to join us in our group, at least they will join in their own group. Takdelah malu2 sangat.


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furthermore take a cheap shot with that Pasir Mas reference.
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that gesture is only a lighthearted joke... dont take it tooo offensively...

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post Nov 3 2010, 12:23 PM

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ironic how 1Malaysia symbol being put side-side with a Malay exclusive football association symbol tongue.gif


Added on November 3, 2010, 12:35 pm
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 3 2010, 12:14 PM)
What to your understanding is the reason behind the Chinese 'abandoning' local football, or even to a large extent, the Indians? Is it down to a perceived lack of income? Lack of talent? Lack of interest? Sports politics?


Yes. Yes. Yes and Yes. A succesful MCFA team can help to overcome this issues.

But i do think the indians participation in our football are healthy enough. They have a bukectful of talent. Just that their number are limited to reflect Malaysia race/population disposition.

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You seem to imply that it's only the Chinese who criticise the state of local football and I'm assuming you know what they are critical about?
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Malays and Indians also critical to the industry heavily. But there are also a large portion of them support it. See Malaysia Cup games from quarterfinal up...

But it is mighty hard to find chinese who would participate at all.. with a Malaycian Chinese team, they can have a bridge to do so...

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post Nov 3 2010, 01:49 PM

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hmm.. i dont know Harimaumalaya.com associate themselves with Malaysian Malay Football Association hmm.gif
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post Nov 3 2010, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(miketee @ Nov 3 2010, 04:29 PM)
I think Malaysia is one of the few countries in the world (or the only one?) that institutionalizes, and even celebrates racial divides. From political parties to football teams.

I can imagine how awful it'd sound for an "All Whites Football Club of Canada" or a "All Black Basketball Club".

On the other hand - our country's history has been shaped along racial lines for many years but it'd be good to move on from that.
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compare to education, school, newspaper, bussiness asociation, public and private sector, racism in Malaysian football is not that mainstream to be an issue. Historically our top football competition still base on geographic territory.

Beside, my suggestion for MCFA to also produce a team more of an effort to pull them to come and play together insted of us just playing with ourselves.

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post Nov 3 2010, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Nov 3 2010, 05:32 PM)
Melayu Semenanjung + MCFA + MIFA + ATM + PDRM + State FAs...
= FAM (Football Association Of Malaya)
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fixed..

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post Nov 3 2010, 05:44 PM

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Its not just one factor Duke. Its a combination of a little bit of this and a little bit of that that create this complete mess.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 3 2010, 02:03 PM)
Here's the thing though. I doubt it's because of a perceived lack of income. Why? Our national basketball team for example, comprises heavily of Chinese and I cannot imagine them getting paid more than your average footballer.


But the stigma on most parent's mind is that football is a poor people's game. They do not know that top football player's on Malaysia earn 25k a month with an education of a bricklayer or and DVD seller. THEY DO NOT KNOW. Because of that they subdue their child's development from taking that route from the early age.

They do be more permissive with basketball. I think this is just simply because you people are good at sports that values slim lightweight physique and excellent eye-hand coordination (ping-pong, badminton, basketball, kung fu). And also because, like other minority sports, basketball in Malaysia is more of a interest and hobby issue instead of a professional one. This is not good enough for football.

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Lack of talent? Perhaps but we've all kicked a ball about during our school days, so we all had the same opportunity.


i never have the pleasure to be mixed school with Chinese. But reports that i receive imply that football development in Chinese vernacular school are not that prioritized. this can be seen in inter-school match results. Since there are no push for development, we will not know if there are talent or not .

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Lack of interest? Definitely not in the sport because I know a lot of Chinese who play socially.


The interest is there. But if the target from beginning is to just be good enough socially, the improvement rate would not be enough for you to make it professionally. Even if you do, consideration from other factor would deter you from making that leap of faith.


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Sports politics? I think this is a no brainer. It is ingrained in the very fabric of our society and it isn't just the Chinese and Indians that suffer.


This is why we must create a team specifically for the Chinese and the Indians. So that they can play and grow in comfortable area, safe from this perceived sports politics.

But i do think racism in Malaysian football is exaggerated. Every team would not have an Indian and Chow Chee Weng, Joseph Kallang Tie and Malaysian Cup finalist Ching Hong Aik would not played a key role in respective teams if racism is truly widespread.


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On the other hand it could be unhealthy because it further divides the races. Imagine an all-Chinese team going up against an all-Malay team especially in our current political climate. I shudder to think of the repercussions. Chinese participation has to begin higher up, in the ranks of the FAM or the individual state FAs. Maybe even in at Youth and Sports Ministry level where Chinese talent can be cultivated at primary or early secondary level. Interest has to be generated at a young age.
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Yes the idea has their repercussions. But i truly frustrated with this dragging status quo and want something done differently for a change. Even though we will not be playing together in a same team, at least we will playing together in a same field. Compare to the current environment where we shield each others away and live in separate worlds, thats good enough as a start is it not?

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post Nov 3 2010, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(miketee @ Nov 3 2010, 06:01 PM)
True, but it isn't "officially" recognized to the point that a "Black Brazilian Footballers Club" is formed, and then approved by the Brazilian FA!
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Atheletic Bilbao only took basque spain players.. its their right as a assoication to do so..
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post Nov 4 2010, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(AKace @ Nov 4 2010, 02:27 AM)
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i never blame MALAYSIAN chinese. yeah, it's true that our M-League won't ensure them a bright future. every season, must got 2-3 teams pull out, have financial problems, unsettled EPF etc.

but i hate SINGAPOREAN chinese. they are the majority race. i hate to admit this but frankly (uurrgghhh) Singapore's S-League are ranked as one of the top 10 leagues in Asia which means the salary cap is quite high but still they don't want to play football. shame on them really
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Singapore's league attendance and overall interest are not much better than M-League. But their admistration are top notch as expected. And although the marketing do not bringing the result, you cannot blame them for the effort to at least do it properly..
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post Nov 4 2010, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(xgineer @ Nov 4 2010, 08:22 AM)
During my schooling days, we were looking for donations to buy land and build more classrooms. A football field seems like a luxury item. Basketball court and pingpong table seems to be much cheaper and lower maintenance cost. This is just one of the reason why only few Chinese plays football?

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Yes. I think so too. One of the many reasons as i list out in earlier post. The question is, how do we move on even with that handicap still cannot be resolve?

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post Nov 7 2010, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(tenno @ Nov 4 2010, 10:12 AM)
Why are we bringing & talking about race here ? So what ? The Malays decided to have a football association & a football team. The Chinese also have that, the Indians also have that. It's not like any of teams are dominating the sport & promoting disunity among Malaysians. There are other much bigger leagues with multiracial members. Granted that, not many Chinese wanna play football. Let them be. There must be a reason for that & it's most likely will be about money or job security rather than discrimination or whatever.

Nowadays a lot of Malays also play basketball. So what ? How many Malay players U see in the national basketball team ? How many Indians ? Even the sole Indian player also went to a Chinese school (I know him personally). Do U see UMNO or any Malay associations bringing this up ? Again, it's not about racist or discrimination or anything like that. It's just about choice. U wanna play, just play la. I've played basketball & I've played in a team where I'm the only Malay. & I've played in tournaments where we were the only all Malay team. About the salary of basketball players, U hv to understand the popularity of the sport here. How many basketball arenas that charge spectators do we have in the country ? How strong is the league ? Who is the sponsor ? Dun forget that before Air Asia came in, Petronas was the main sponsor for MABA. The MABA stadium & hostel have Petronas money all over it. It's not about discrimination. Chinese ppl dun wanna come & pay to watch a Chinese dominated sport. Do we blame UMNO for that ? 

We dun need this kinda talk here. Unless one of the MCFA or MIFA qualified on merit to play in the M-League & suddenly FAM dun allow it, which is highly unlikely to happen, then there's sumthing wrong somewhere.

I rest my case.
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i have to care when Chinese do not involve in our football. They compromise of more than 30% of the population and hold more than 50% of the nation's wealth. So if we want to have an industry that reflect's Malaysia's true pontential, we must include them in the game. Both pull and ush factor must be considered.
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post Nov 15 2010, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Nov 15 2010, 02:25 AM)
wow i cannot believe what im reading. Malay want Chinese to be active in football?

I thought from all those things i read from /k they would just be happy to holocaust all of us.
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/k id not the best place to gauge people mindset. It is filled with with racist trolls who have attention-deficit issues..

From what i read, people have only have problem with mainland Chinese (mainly towards the bias referee then the actual Chinese team) then the Malaysian ones. Even so, there are several Malaysian Chinese troublemakers who use every opportunity to take cheap potshots. Its understandable since its /k after all..

General consensus in real Malaysia football supporting world, Malay or Indian, i cannot find anyone with the intention to holocaust the Chinese. We understand that the Chinese do that to themselves in the name of freewill. They also find it necessary to bring real world issues into football itself and equates supporting Malaysia football or Malaysian national team to suppoting the goverment of the day.

Which is a complete and utter bullshit..

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post Nov 15 2010, 12:15 PM

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and your point is?
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post Nov 15 2010, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Nov 15 2010, 12:59 PM)
im a bit curious, this PBSMM only allow 'Malay' to be their members?

what about Piala Emas Raja Raja? only 'Malay' can be registered and play?
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i also wondering about that too..

if i am not mistake, there are Indians playing in PDRM team...

and i am sure team PBSMM will hire foreign imports once they are allowed again...


Added on November 15, 2010, 1:38 pm
QUOTE(Zan81 @ Nov 15 2010, 01:29 PM)
This is really something we don't need... Sports, has the ability to unite people, regardless of skin colour, religion or race so why has the FAM allow it to come to this?

As it is, we are already seeing a racial divide among the amateur ranks. Just go to any futsal or football tournament in Malaysia, and I guarantee you that 98% of the teams are NOT multi-racial. Heck, you don't even need a tournament to see that. You can see it happening everyday at any futsal centre in and around town, where the Malays play with the Malays, the Chinese with the Chinese and the Indians with the Indians.

I remember about 10 years ago when I was bumming around after SPM and decided to join the young 12-13 year olds for a kickabout. Horror of horrors, the teams were Malays vs Chinese/Indians!! I remember giving them a good lecture about it and from then onwards they never divided the teams that way again.

The point I'm trying to make is, is that outside of sport, the kids already have enough negative influences about race or rather the superiority of any particular race. What kind of message are we sending out to the kids if 'professional' footballers also play for their teams based on race?
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i would rather have Malays vs Chinese/Indians then Malays vs Malays only.. at least this way you can leacture them to play together...

How would you promote national unity when you come to the field and find there are only Malays there?


Added on November 15, 2010, 1:41 pm
QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Nov 15 2010, 12:33 PM)
im Malay, but TBH i cant see why this sort of association /competition (Piala Emas) /club relevant these days..

for sentimental /historical reason maybe.. play at weekend, match for the elders, kampong level competition for fun and recreational etc. but i think government /YB or any sensible corporate body should stop helping and give financial support, sponsorship to them.

the most aspect i love about sports /football coz it should be tools to unite people beyond boundaries of religion, races, colour, nation etc.

its irrelevant nowadays and honestly its kindda stupid for me.. 1Malaysia? boleh bla..
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i dont find it relevant for Malays and Indians to create a team as these guys already actively involved. But i do support a Chinese team. Penang use to win the Malaysia Cup with a team that have many Chinse players... i miss those days..

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post Nov 15 2010, 01:55 PM

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On another note,

its a good job by Astro Arena to air live matches of Piala Emas Raja-Raja...

giving any underground tournament some mainstream exposure will create awareness to the public on our football scene..

hope they continue to do so with Bardhan Cup, MCFA Cup, University League, FAM Cup and MSSM Finals..


Added on November 15, 2010, 1:59 pm
QUOTE(myhotgary2 @ Nov 15 2010, 01:43 PM)
Guys..This is turning into a racing thread.. doh.gif
If you guys want to race please proceed to Sportschannel/k/RWI/
Please do not bring racing into football lounge.
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i do not thinks our discussion have reached an unhealthy level. Up until now, all opinion has been given with utmost respect to one another..

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post Nov 15 2010, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Nov 15 2010, 03:22 PM)
i used to heard ping pong /basketball competition for non Chinese. or non Malay Sepaktakraw.

maybe the intention are good, to promote those sports to non <certain ethnic>. to give certain ethnics different category so they can compete among themselves.

but ill never agree with it. sports are the perfect tools to unite people. let be color blind on this matter. who care if u are <certain ethnic>, if u are good enough to compete, u are in.

if this kind culture /practice encourage by the authority, 1Malaysia are just rhetoric..

for amateur /lowly level competition, apply regulation to encourage multiracial team (eg every entry must consists at least 2 ethnics)
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to be fair, the authorities (FAM) never force any association members to only include specific race in their team. What do they enforce is, each member association must send a team to compete in the M-League.... and FAM's member associations that never send a team before are PBSMM. MCFA and MIFA..

FAM couldn't care less if PBSMM's team consist of Malay, Iban , Bidayuh , Indian or Chinese as long as they send one to compete....

This will work well for grass root development as these race base football association has a better managed amateur level competition compare to state FAs, and talents from these competition can be upgraded to professional level through their association teams.

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post Dec 1 2010, 12:35 AM

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There are misconception that Piala Emas Raja2 only allows Malay participants.

PBSMM is only the event organizer. There are no such rule to limit the players to any particular race.

But i am quite confused about the professional level of the participant. Some are full Super League players and some are President Cuppers. Formers players..

what are the rule actually about that? And how to decide which player eligible to play for which state?

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