With li-ion or li-poly, you shouldn't let your battery run-down, always charge it; It doesn't matter if you keep charging it, there is power cut off; For my N900, when the power level above 85%, it won't charge if I plug in the charger, it will display, "battery full".
What you need to worry is if you let the battery run-down. It won't empty as it will still keep a little bit of charge, that's why you can still try to on it, but doing that you're just going to damage the battery.
I experience once my battery died in just 6 Months (just nice the warranty ends), that's when Li-Ion took over period, I have no idea and learned my lesson badly.

To top it off, if you charge it more frequently, the battery lifespan and usage actually improves and performs better than those that keep let it run low then only charge. There is an article which does test on N95.

Another thing to take note is the car charger. It's advice that do NOT plug in the car charger, when you TURN ON and TURN OFF your car. It was said that there could be current spike or something during this time and could damage your phone battery. Not sure how true, but it's not a hard thing to do and won't hurt if you practice it. I found this AFTER I face a problem with my N81 previously.

Just my 2 battery bar.


It's wierd because previously I tested, it seems the shutter speed did not lower/reduce. It resulted in dark picture, so I set back the ISO to auto. Not sure what's the slowest shutter speed N8 will use; Even most phone camera or even digital camera, it will limit the shutter speed under auto shutter speed mode unless you use manual shutter speed. For N900, when use FCam, the slowest shutter speed we can set manually is 1 second; I don't think the auto mode will use this speed at all.

Yes, I believe there is a max low limit for automatic shutter speed mode. For example, with Panasonic Lumix series with manual controls, you can set the shutter speed as low as 4 seconds, but in auto mode, there is a limit of the lowest shutter speed.

Normally we would one to set low ISO to lower the noise; Unless we have a bigger sensor that can capture more light and reduce noise at higher ISO; For example, APS-C size sensor on DSLR usually the noise become apparent at around 800 ISO, but a Full Frame DSLR, can shoot up to 6400 ISO with little or no noise!
It also depends on the aperture, the aperture for N8 is f2.8, so there's only so much aperture to gather lights; but on DSLR you can mount lens with f1.4 to gather even more lights (at the expense of DOF) so you can use faster shutter speed.

For me, I shoot in dark areas most of the time, and if the object is moving, the aperture and ISO plays an important role. For stationary objects, it's very easy, we count use tripods or put the camera is steady position, even in VERY DARK area, shooting with 4 seconds shutter speed, it'll look like in bright room, thus you can use the lowest ISO settings.

Its software limitation, can be fixed, jus a matter of whether Nokia wants to provide this feature?

They could include Aperture Priority Mode, Shutter Priority Mode, and even better, Manual mode. Would be good if have manual focus and also touch focus. At least should provide touch focus, when taking close up shot, if we want to capture something close up but don't want it to be at the middle, we need to apply 'focus lock' technique which is quite troublesome and might slightly get out of the focus range when move to the desired spot.

If you want to compare, compare under low light condition; That's where usually the weakness comes in, how the camera handle the noise at certain ISO, what's the available shutter speed, aperture, etc. The MP will determine the detail, but also affect the light. More MP gives more detail but sacrificing light gathering. AFAIK, changing the MP won't effect this, it depends on the camera initial design.

Anyway, for daylight picture, usually, most cameras will perform competitively; For DSLR, you may find an entry-level perform as good as a higher end DSLR, or even comparable to the professional DSLR. The difference comes when dealing with different situation in photography, example, wedding day, where you need fast, sharp and good fps to capture those moments, etc.
Then the big drama begins when you try to shoot in wedding reception, because the lightings are poor and you need to use fast shutter speed, etc.
Of course, above are example of how different level of DSLR performs; But digital camera and phone camera, it depends on how you compare and under what conditions. Under normal condition, it's hard to compare which is better because maybe both are equally good or comparable.


What browser are you using? Google Chrome have this problem. Try using Internet Explorer.
Not sure about Firefox.

Which one has correct lightings, it's the lighting there yellow? Maybe need to adjust the White Balance.

Yup, it's very good already it can replace the DC in many situations/conditions; no need to bring extra things.
For more serious photography, can straight bring DSLR, if one has it.

I guess the N8 just lack of more controls, especially touch focus which is really nice to have and already available on other camera phones. I'm not sure if other camera phones have those controls like Aperture Priority mode, Shutter Priority Mode, etc. If none have, maybe Nokia do it again by providing these features FIRST; If not, then also another reason why they should have it.

You can use Nokia Software Updater or Nokia OVI Suite.
Both also can use. Nokia OVI Suite more resource consuming.

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This problem I face before since long ago, N81; I forgot how I manage to remove it already.
N900 seems also have this problem; When the message didn't send successfully, there will be the outbox icon at the bottom right of the message; When you open the sms/message, it will show "PENDING" and no way to re-send it, or clear the icon.

It's already V10...

Yup, long story short, they claim it's normal, it's the picture problem.

Not sure if it's really normal, if it is then no choice already; just wondering is it the AMOLED problem (but I compared with Samsung Wave Super AMOLED, it's showing perfectly fine regardless of brightness).
Possibly it's the brightness/contrast parameters defined in firmware? If it is, then it could be fix through firmware updates, or if there is an app that allow us to change it; If got such app, then will be more easy to diagnose or test.

Sorry, what I meant was it's already V10, hardly got any chance to be the 1st

The lifespan on number of charges is on FULL CYCLE charge; It doesn't matter if you charge at 80% to full, it didn't mean 1 cycle. So, you can charge it often, just don't let it drain till empty. Although it won't empty, it will still keep some amount of charge, that's why you still can turn on the phone but you should avoid doing that. Frequent discharge will reduce the battery lifespan, so does heat.

It won't overcharge because there is cut-off, it won't reduce the lifespan. For the N900, it will cut off when it's fully charge and won't re-charge until the battery drops below 85%. If you try to charge it when the battery is above 85%, it will show you message "Battery Full".

It could be due to other reason. My notebook > 5 years still on original battery, just that it can hold the charge long anymore. My Nokia 6600 until today still on original battery, it's also > 5 years.

My Motorola original battery died because of frequent discharge (battery finish, phone off). In just about 6 month, the battery totally 'kong', cannot use anymore, and just nice warranty is 6 month, when I go claim time just past 6 month

You can read more about Li-Ion and Li-Poly; There's also an article which compare 2 types of charging, one is only charge when battery low, and another is charge it frequently; The one that charge frequently resulted into better battery performance. The same happen to my PSP, my friend which always play till his PSP battery low only charge compared to mine which charge often. We went out for multi-play, both charged fully; When his PSP battery runs low, mine still have 2 bar, and his PSP is newer than mine.

AFAIK, it won't reach fully 100%. Not sure about N8, but for N900, they're using current mah /maximum mah. It won't reach 100%, the highest I experience is 98%, then it will cut off from charging. If you remove the charger straight away the moment it's fully charge, this maximum charge will not drop fast. If you leave it the charger on, there's actually cut off. So when you remove the charger off later, altough you may see 97% or 98%, you will notice this % drops very fast until around 80%++ which will drop as normal.
These are what I've monitored from the N900.


Erm, Within 5 working days? Mine isn't hardware failure, just ask them to check the display problem I highlighted. Actually this problem if they really check it, I think can be done few hours. Just need to compare 2 device, if theirs is the demo unit and it's showing properly, then means my unit have some problem; If the demo unit can be dismantle, probably they can switch the AMOLED display to test, etc?
But then, not sure if they have any procedure to follow, etc. which will take longer time, or the technician has restriction to do this or that unless given approval, etc.

Yup, but I also didn't do enough preparation for them to compare as I formatted the device when I send in, those picture I took under low light is not there. Those picture show up perfectly FINE in PC or the N900, but on N8, it looks bad.

Anyway, here's a sample, although quite hard to capture and see it when capture from camera, hard to get the what you see is what you get result on camera.



When taken with lower EV or Exposure, will see this problem...

I think usually they can get it done within 5 working days, unless there is other circumstances like they need to verify the problem, go through some procedures, approvals, etc.
Last time, I don't remember there is NCC, I can walk in Nokia Shop, they have service centre behind it, just pass to them and they will fix it usually on the same day if they have the parts, etc. The process was much quicker and I don't remember having to take numbers, etc.
Seems now like being more professional but more levels and steps for customers, most probably for working procedure as well, more procedures, more levels need to pass through, approvals, etc? Not sure, but for office working, usually this is what happens, more levels, more restrictions, more reports, the same job will become totally different.

Actually I have visited them 2nd time. The 1st time, they change the OLED-1. Cut things short, 2nd time is when they blame the picture and if I insist, they need to send to HQ, which when I collect, still says it's the picture. So, I think no point wasting time and waiting to get back the phone.
I'm thinking to test other N8 in Nokia Shop or anybody I know who have it; If the AMOLED is like this, then I think nothing can be done, only can notify Nokia, so their next display they need to source another supplier? Or check for this problem.
But if it's the brightness/contrast parameters set in the firmware, then I suppose it could be fixed in firmware updates, or any app that can adjust it. Why I say this is because the display is perfectly FINE in daylight condition (outdoor daytime), but when go indoor lowlighting, it become like this. Or maybe it was the light sensor?

Another reason I suspect it's the brightness issue is because I test on the N900, if I set the brightness to MAXIMUM, I can see some of these problem. So I suppose the brightness is too much on the N8? Btw, I set to lowest brightness (light sensor settings) on the N8 already.

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Added on November 3, 2010, 12:16 amTrue, it should be very fast; Previously, I change the 6260 display within few hours; That time it's under Nokia Shop, behind is the service centre; No need to take number or wait long, the procedure and step is very simple.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 3 2010, 12:16 AM

I have no idea; I know some forumer might be having similar problem, so maybe the AMOLED is really like this, or my unit is more obvious. I need to test out other units when I visit any Nokia Shop, hope they don't ban me, LoL....
Last time I test and compare, both unit set to maximum brightness, it's very clear that mine is different, even capture on camera, still can see the difference. Seeing LIVE is more obvious.
Then at NCC, 1st time send in, they don't have the demo unit, but luckily one customer send in the N8, and we compare side by side, cleary can see the difference.
2nd time send in, they have a demo unit already, so compare again, still can see difference, although their demo unit also can see a little bit.

You should see my phone when playing dark videos, it's crazy awful; Imagine those people wearing like MIB, their black pants and coats will see all these problems.

Check out this TRON video I captured, this is what I'm talking about, having "layers", the light and dark like have separate layer, it didn't blend smoothly. If got smokes/clouds, you'll see multiple layers from black to gray to lighter colour.

Sorry for not following the thread:
Have you tried holding the power button for > 8 secs?

I'm not sure the phone is really off OFF. Usually, if it won't turn on, we remove the battery for a while, then put back the battery, but for N8, it'll be hard. Removing the battery and put it back on is different from removing it for a certain period. If you remove it and put it back straight, the phone still have some power to it.

The weird thing is... it's working perfectly FINE under daylight condition (or proper lightings?). This is what I'm curious about.

When we go in room/lowlight, the display supposedly will brighten up right? I think this is when the problem become obvious. I'm not sure what's wrong really, but suspecting the brightness.


I don't think that will be a good idea. Nokia knows about this issue as I've informed them about it. Let them check on it first. I'm also trying to find out more information and samples/comparisons/etc to show to them hopefully.