Don't worry, you're not

I think it's around the same, except the GTX460 will be better if the tessellation is on extreme level. Just look at HAWX2's performance..

I beg to differ. If the review version is 1120 shaders, then naturally it would perform better than the cards for the mass market. That'd be cheating, no?

Oops! Must have read wrongly your post. What do you mean then?

It's okay for companies to release different spec hardware for reviews and mass market?

Haha you wish! The one in the market is 960 shaders only. Here's hoping that they could be modded to 1120 shaders and overclocked to 900MHz

IMO, wait for better custom cooler. Some more the price will go down

I think GTX470 @ 800MHz will beat HD6870 @ 1000 MHz in games (from Tweaktown benchmarks).

I think can, as long as it's under warranty. RMA'ing will take a long time though (1 month+).

If already got HD5870, then no need to change (not even an upgrade)... Performance about the same, even for Tessellation..

I think HD6970 performs better than GTX480 by 10%, consuming less power, and then GTX580 performs better than HD6970 by 10%, consuming a lot more power, as always.

Besides, Metro 2033 is more optimized on NVIDIA's shader configuration. It's not just tessellation. It scales well with NVIDIA SP, not core clock. e.g. GTX480 will be faster than GTX460 by 40% on the same clock due to 40% more SP.

It's simply because HD6870 and HD6850 is using the same exact chip, albeit different BIOS. The OC'abilty of the chip is the same. Both can reach ~930MHz, but since HD6870 is already clocked at 900MHz, the gain is not that much. To distinguish HD6850 and HD6870, they purposely clock the HD6850 at 775MHz. It's purely a marketing decision -- to release 2 SKUs to counter GTX460's 2 SKUs.

AMD could've released HD6850 at 900MHz SKU, but chooses not to, as it will kill HD6870. Just as NVIDIA, they could easily release 800MHz GTX460, but that will kill off GTX465 and GTX470.

No game supports it atm.

@areszues92: I think you can turn it off at the control panel.

Get the 10.10d:- https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/20307/1m/ww...x_win7_nov1.exe

OC'ed HD5870 can't beat GTX580 stock.

What do you mean your HD4670 can't load? Black screen and no video output? If you think it's faulty, then sure can RMA. 3 years warranty is 3 years from the date of manufacturing (d.o.m). Usually there's a serial sticker on your card to identify the d.o.m.

There's a reason why AMD released the HD6870... to cater mainstream...

HD6970 is for high-end, and I doubt enthusiasts worry about price and TDP. If the 1920 SP is true, it's definitely faster than GTX580!

Not really. Cayman's (HD6900) architecture and Bart's (HD6800) architecture is different.

It'd be hilarious if Cayman's tessellation performance ends up faster than GTX580, since NVIDIA has already marketed on that feature so heavily.

This post has been edited by Demonic Wrath: Nov 12 2010, 02:31 PM

As the chip goes bigger, there will be more transistor leakage (IINM it rises exponentially). Which means AMD will have to run the GPU at higher voltage.

Very likely to happen if it doesn't beat GTX580's performance (RM 1500?). If it does beat, then I'd expect around RM 1600 for HD6970 and RM 1200 for HD6950. RM 2000 for HD6990. Don't forget the markup price in Malaysia

This post has been edited by Demonic Wrath: Nov 14 2010, 03:33 PM

Of course... HD5870 is a great card, even now..

Definitely worth it (90% improvement on average). And yes, you can max out Crysis, depending on the resolution. With a HD4870, Dead Space 2 and Crysis 2 shouldn't have any problem though since Crysis 2 is playable even on console.