hi, im thinking of getting unifi soon. can anyone tell me whether is it possible to play 25man raids on unifi? hows the latency? are there any differences compared to streamyx?
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Oct 17 2010, 09:29 AM, updated 16y ago
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hi, im thinking of getting unifi soon. can anyone tell me whether is it possible to play 25man raids on unifi? hows the latency? are there any differences compared to streamyx?
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Oct 17 2010, 04:14 PM
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200-2000ms matters on your location, face, speed, and luck
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Oct 17 2010, 06:15 PM
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I bet you get the same latency that streamyx 1mbps-4mbps users have
probably 200ms lowest average 400 This post has been edited by squall0833: Oct 17 2010, 06:17 PM |
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download speed != latency.
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Oct 17 2010, 08:32 PM
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getting 200-300ms ! very good
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im getting 500~600ms for wow depending on ip and streamyx mood. i can't play 25man even with tunnelling. any 25man, wow will lag and dc. does anyone here knows how to fix my problem?
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Oct 17 2010, 11:46 PM
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do u share connection with other ppl?
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You should also clarify whether you're playing US or Taiwan servers.
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I'm also eager to know if UNIFI makes a difference in Gaming WOW.
So Gamers who are currently using UNIFI for WOW please speak up and let us know. My area is only getting UNIFI Late Next Year and i plan to get it but the 60+GB limit is kind of worrying to me. (I read it at the site) |
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there's a reason peeps like me crown UNIFI as UNIFAIL
that's 1 of the reasons |
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QUOTE(numloque @ Oct 18 2010, 01:04 AM) yup. i'm using unifi and sometimes it does get laggy (800ms) and i'm the only one using the unifi in the house. tunnelling is the only option for me to get a stable 100-200 ms latency. pingo,i don't have unifi but this is what I expected, unifi and streamyx should have same latency to overseas, even the download/upload speed are different thats our tm, only guarantee local speed |
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Oct 28 2010, 01:35 PM
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you are right. i guess i wont be getting unifi after all
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im using streamyx and im doin weekly icc 25 raid on 600-700 latency, still ok for me no prob, im not sure how much the price for unifi, if the price is good why not!!
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i cant do any 25man raids. only 10m. i will deffinitely dc if i play 25m
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got unify so far so gewd 350-420ms ping
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im using UNIFI too, sharing connection with my gf, both playing WoW-thaurissan, on average it is about 300ms latency to 450ms
i dont understand y people keep saying UNIFI and Streamyx have not much difference because based on my exp using both, UNIFI makes Streamyx looks like 56k modem! Example, i open any Youtube link with UNIFI, it loads fully in 20 seconds (3 mins clip/songs), even if i open 5-6 Youtube clips it will take 40 seconds to fully load all of it. web surfing is most of the time instant. |
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WTB mod translator for TW WoW. so i can understand what NPC is that ?
(item/quest etc) i just want to play WoW with 100ms-150ms. more than that is No-No. SEA got Starcraft2 server, why not WoW ? |
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QUOTE(thejols @ Nov 23 2010, 03:24 PM) WTB mod translator for TW WoW. so i can understand what NPC is that ? To play wowtaiwan with english client, visit the first link in my signature below.(item/quest etc) i just want to play WoW with 100ms-150ms. more than that is No-No. SEA got Starcraft2 server, why not WoW ? |
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Ok so far i think i didn see which package the reply post.
5mb,10mb or??? And thing is i am currently using 4mb streamyx and my condo will have unifi soon, all i expect from unifi is IS IT STABLE? Streamyx and unifi have the speed no doubt and is always the stability and consistency of the speed like lag? 300-400+ms as few poster mention above if thts the case i might as well stick to my 4mb connection and subscribe a tunnel provider? Unifi just provide better speed for download i believe but gaming i would like to see more reply in this thread pls. Like do i still need a tunnel service where i am using unifi atm? How u guys using unifi in raid environment in wow? |
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i live in one of the apartment in subang, im using UNIFI 5mb package, so far none lag/disconnection, most of the time perfect.
no, i dont need any tunnels for 25 men raids whatsoever, as i mentioned, WE (me and my gf) shares connection everytime we raid in 25 men raids. i would say it is quite stable, the extra speed is good for patching LOL, i patched the 800mb patch in 30-40 mins. torenting is good as well, getting at least 500kb/s **please dont compare unifi with other contry's broadband, we are still FAR away** |
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QUOTE(Aexes I @ Nov 24 2010, 01:29 AM) i live in one of the apartment in subang, im using UNIFI 5mb package, so far none lag/disconnection, most of the time perfect. NICE!no, i dont need any tunnels for 25 men raids whatsoever, as i mentioned, WE (me and my gf) shares connection everytime we raid in 25 men raids. i would say it is quite stable, the extra speed is good for patching LOL, i patched the 800mb patch in 30-40 mins. torenting is good as well, getting at least 500kb/s **please dont compare unifi with other contry's broadband, we are still FAR away** Thats exactly the info i looking for. Thanks mate, btw care i ask whats ur ms in game? |
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i mentioned in 1st page i think... 350-450ms, spiked up to 500ms max in dalaran
**the 60GB limit <--- i dont know how it is implemented, but so far, i downloaded a full series of drama and anime, amount more than 50GB; ++ the patch and all i think i over use the so called "60gb" limit. however, i dont feel any difference, i do speed test everyday once i start my pc, it is average 5.3mb daily. i asked the TM Net unifi "engineer" <-- guy who installed my unifi, according to him the 60gb is only implemented on the "amount of download items, not including surfing/gaming" [i doubt his statement, sounds like a gimmick sales script to me] but so far so good, 4th month using, everything still ok... value for money anyone knows how the 60gb works? please explain =] This post has been edited by Aexes I: Nov 24 2010, 03:27 PM |
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Nov 24 2010, 08:08 PM
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Saw this page http://www.unifi.my/unifi/index.php?option...d=76&Itemid=206
Says the 60GB thing shall not be implemented immediately. I guess not yet kua, I'm staying in Cheras, no luck UniFi only comes 2nd quarter of 2011. BOO~~~ |
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just saw a advertisement of Unifi
Unifi had a spokewoman claim she a pro (girl)gamer of sudden death. named Summer (aka Ashly Khoo) minor leet speaking. unifi good for wow? or just TM propaganda? |
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Nov 25 2010, 10:38 AM
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my ping in jubei is 250-300ms with unifi..
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latency in Thaurissan is 200-300ms with Unifi + lagless proxy
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Wanted to get it too, but I read somewhere that fibre optic can actually have more packet loss.
Susah la |
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Nov 26 2010, 03:08 PM
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lol fibre optic is leeeetz! screw the packet loss part bro...
minor leet girl advertisement might be propaganda, but look at the number of positive post here, don't think every tom d*** and harry will have the time to bullsh!t coz human nature is that, we will bithc about it like ALOT if it sucks, dont see that coming... yet |
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QUOTE(Aexes I @ Nov 26 2010, 03:08 PM) lol fibre optic is leeeetz! screw the packet loss part bro... Dude, packet loss is everything in online gaming.minor leet girl advertisement might be propaganda, but look at the number of positive post here, don't think every tom d*** and harry will have the time to bullsh!t coz human nature is that, we will bithc about it like ALOT if it sucks, dont see that coming... yet Its not a big deal if its just downloading movies or surfing the web. |
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If its proven to be the most consistent QoS then I just might. But I'm not too fond of wireless.
For the time being I'll be sticking with streamyx and do more research on Unifi. The problem with fibre optic is its range. And I'm a bit skeptical that TM would spend to buy enough numbers of repeaters I don't mind the download limit at all, especially if its 60GB. I think its good if they implement it. |
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QUOTE(Aexes I @ Nov 23 2010, 11:20 AM) im using UNIFI too, sharing connection with my gf, both playing WoW-thaurissan, on average it is about 300ms latency to 450ms I agree with this.. seriously.. in the beginning there were some issues, but now its freaking nice.. 450 ping... sometimes 250. I live in sunway by the way. But usually its stable 450i dont understand y people keep saying UNIFI and Streamyx have not much difference because based on my exp using both, UNIFI makes Streamyx looks like 56k modem! Example, i open any Youtube link with UNIFI, it loads fully in 20 seconds (3 mins clip/songs), even if i open 5-6 Youtube clips it will take 40 seconds to fully load all of it. web surfing is most of the time instant. |
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Unifi and around 400ms in Jubeithos
Not much difference when i used to be using Streamyx |
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Nov 29 2010, 02:13 PM
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Latency has less to do with connection speed and more to do with routing.
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Well lets just say with the normal streamyx.. i used to get 450.. or around the same ping..but.. it was not very stable.. it would either lag or wont lag... and sometimes.. it would just reach horrid levels of latency
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OMG!!! UNIFI down at USJ19... two days already!!! omg omg omg omg!!!
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its fixed this morning... aih... after 2 days... aih....
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2 weeks??? omg...!
i kept calling them u know... i called them 5 times in two days |
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Feb 22 2011, 12:17 AM
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Got unifi today
In wow now and seems fluctuate green and yellow WITH TUNNEL. Any tweaks should i do after install unifi? |
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Would like to know too if there is any tricks or tweak to improve unifi for gaming. Getting my unifi nx week.. Anybody using unifi in puchong area?
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just back home now without tunnel
Did a wsg seems smooth Latency shows HOME 280 WORLD 340 |
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I am using Streamyx 1.5mbps line, unplayable without tunnel (can't even log in if character is at Orgrimmar).
From what I hear from my friends using Unifi, they can play 300ms-500ms without tunnel. Apparently (not sure true or not), Unifi has its own bandwidth allocation and not throttled/package-shaping like Streamyx. So although operated by same ISP and supposedly go through the same undersea cables to the US, Unifi has 'higher quality'. Will get my Unifi next month and post here again then. |
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I am using Unifi to play on Thaurissan server, averagely bout 200-300ms latency, this is under 20mbps package, with 3 other computers running, streaming movies and downloads.
I only had problem with unifi at the early stage, their hardware seem to break down easily, otherwise I have been a happy customer till now. |
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QUOTE(tan5317 @ Feb 28 2011, 06:24 AM) I am using Unifi to play on Thaurissan server, averagely bout 200-300ms latency, this is under 20mbps package, with 3 other computers running, streaming movies and downloads. this post is supposedly mine, i dont know who signed in on my laptop, and didn't log out lolI only had problem with unifi at the early stage, their hardware seem to break down easily, otherwise I have been a happy customer till now. |
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For me, playing WoW using Unifi seems to gotten better recently
The result i get from using tunneling is the same when i'm not using tunneling with Unifi. I'm in Jubeithos btw |
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QUOTE(ChcGamer @ Feb 28 2011, 11:57 AM) For me, playing WoW using Unifi seems to gotten better recently u Ngau? the shaman?The result i get from using tunneling is the same when i'm not using tunneling with Unifi. I'm in Jubeithos btw I am an old fren in jubei mate Oh yea my experience with unifi now is smooth stable "with tunnel" green ping. Sometimes got spike but still ok most of time smooth! |
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Without tunnel
IP:175 (500-2000ms) IP:110 (300-700ms) With tunnel IP:175 (200-300ms) IP:110 (115-300ms) EDIT: Server US-Nagrand This post has been edited by Spearall_1031: Mar 15 2011, 11:36 AM |
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UNIFI is the best thing you can get for online games because it is the fastest connection you can get in Malaysia at the moment.
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i get abt 300-400ms on a 1mb line with tunneling, so yeah :S
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true, probably it's more to locality, i live somewhere near the industrial area in Melaka, and the latency is about there. I have friends using the same line in kl but lagging all day long lol
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normal streamyx + proxy . cheaper than unifi lol. why go unifi ? i dont understand .
i pay 512kb . rm66 + rm12 proxy sercies . rm 78 latency in wow 200-300 ms unifi rm 149 atleast per month . . latency fro 200-600 deepnd ur location and luck . This post has been edited by nagflar: Mar 20 2011, 10:07 AM |
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QUOTE(nagflar @ Mar 20 2011, 10:05 AM) normal streamyx + proxy . cheaper than unifi lol. why go unifi ? i dont understand . DL Speed+other stuffs such as free calls to all landed lines?i pay 512kb . rm66 + rm12 proxy sercies . rm 78 latency in wow 200-300 ms unifi rm 149 atleast per month . . latency fro 200-600 deepnd ur location and luck . We know Unifi doesnt make a difference in playing WoW but hey at least we get to update faster lol |
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QUOTE(nagflar @ Mar 20 2011, 10:05 AM) normal streamyx + proxy . cheaper than unifi lol. why go unifi ? i dont understand . I would prefer better line to allow gameplay + streaming + whatever.i pay 512kb . rm66 + rm12 proxy sercies . rm 78 latency in wow 200-300 ms unifi rm 149 atleast per month . . latency fro 200-600 deepnd ur location and luck . So UNifi is indeed the best, we have in Malaysia, but as usual, im not those early adopters, so,i will let u ppl to test it first. Another reason why i will hold on to upgrade to unifi is: If there's no problem with my current line, then im not gonna touch it. |
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Puchong here, using unifi, 200ms-350ms, quite good.
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cyber not so bejaya here using unifi and dling and streaming live music with 295ms, w/o internet usage 210-250ms
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Been playing wow on unifi for over a mth, used to use shitmyx
Unifi FTW, no lag, smooth in 25man raid while using xunlei downloading at +\-200kbps, latency was 200-400ms. gf using youtube on ipad also. My unifi is 5mb. Go subsribe unifi, u will not regret |
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I using unifi 1 month plus.
No tunnel 300+ ms. With tunnel 200+ms. But lately night time only night time spike quite bad. Wan know other unifi user gave similiar problem? |
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QUOTE(fjoru103 @ Mar 30 2011, 10:32 PM) I using unifi 1 month plus. yes, it getting worstNo tunnel 300+ ms. With tunnel 200+ms. But lately night time only night time spike quite bad. Wan know other unifi user gave similiar problem? if play at morn/noon, its good starting from evening, lag like hell tunnelling with hpb also no good obviously, unifi is flooded with users+usage. i bet streamyx is probably better than unifi now. |
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QUOTE(Kravo @ Jul 3 2011, 12:56 AM) yes, it getting worst normal , too many car in road will cause traffic jamif play at morn/noon, its good starting from evening, lag like hell tunnelling with hpb also no good obviously, unifi is flooded with users+usage. i bet streamyx is probably better than unifi now. This post has been edited by nagflar: Jul 3 2011, 03:33 PM |
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600-1k ping with unifi 5mbps. a waste of money to subscribe, betcha screamyx is better at the moment
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yeah it is funny how fiber optic doesn't improves latency over copper. well i guess it is a hit and miss thing with TMNUT running it.
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Jul 3 2011, 09:52 PM
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19 posts Joined: Sep 2009 |
4mbps normal streamyx oso sux..cant pvp or raid when that huge lagspike coming
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Jul 4 2011, 10:35 AM
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77 posts Joined: Nov 2004 From: in the comfort of my mothers womb |
applied for tunneling over the weekend.
much better now. 230-250 ms |
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Jul 5 2011, 02:46 PM
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440 posts Joined: May 2010 |
walao im already filling up the form for 5mb unifi now read all these..mati.
if unifi 5mb + tunnel = ok ma? now i use 1mb streamyx + tunnel = 200-400ms..never joined any 25men yet coz im still new, but so far, the rest have been fine. duno if full raid how -.- full AV bg like ok saja...duno if got difference between raid or bg raid. |
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Jul 5 2011, 02:58 PM
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1,813 posts Joined: Apr 2007 From: Lower Perak |
QUOTE(volrath @ Jul 5 2011, 02:46 PM) walao im already filling up the form for 5mb unifi now read all these..mati. interm of playing wow . no much diffrence with streamyx + tunnelif unifi 5mb + tunnel = ok ma? now i use 1mb streamyx + tunnel = 200-400ms..never joined any 25men yet coz im still new, but so far, the rest have been fine. duno if full raid how -.- full AV bg like ok saja...duno if got difference between raid or bg raid. |
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Jul 5 2011, 03:02 PM
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440 posts Joined: May 2010 |
dayum -.-
i'll cancel then. |
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Jul 5 2011, 06:57 PM
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387 posts Joined: Nov 2005 |
you still need tunnel and vpn to avoid sudden packet loss. even with unifi working at full spectrum you are still going to experience a lossy moment of which is normal in this part of the region. Tunneling avoid too much packet loss over the spectrum.
either its screamyx or unifail around my area, i still need tunnel to avoid sudden spike and packet loss. |
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Jul 5 2011, 07:12 PM
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11 posts Joined: Mar 2010 |
I have not played WoW for a year now but I've been using unifi 20mps for a while now and I hardly lag for any game I play.
There are going to be times when unifi is shit slow but I gotta say, it's worth it. |
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Jul 12 2011, 12:14 AM
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152 posts Joined: Mar 2006 |
from what i heard, unifi is still using dynamic IP, if thats so, you should try to check whats IP range that gives you lowest latency. i give my example, i only use 1mbps streamy package, with Lowerping, i manage to get as low as 250ms using 175.xxx ip range. on the other hand, i can only get 360ms lowest if im using 60.xxx ip range. and of course, in general latency improves as your connection speed increases. ive tried playing with lowerping in nearby Orange CC, that definitely uses faster internet connection than mine, i managed to get 191ms constant and when i checked the ip address, it was 175.xxx. so my simple conclusion is that 175.xxx works better in my area. i hope you guys get the idea. cheers.
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Jul 12 2011, 11:36 AM
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1,813 posts Joined: Apr 2007 From: Lower Perak |
http://www.ultima.com.my/knowledgebase.php
ip range is important when playing wow US. that is vital info that all wow newbie must know . read here if u using streamyx or even unfi This post has been edited by nagflar: Jul 12 2011, 11:41 AM |
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