http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS59om2wpUo
Finally iphone is dead...dun get me wrong im using ip4 myself,juz hate the way it's restrict user.
no ringtone,need to sync here n there,cant even bluetooth a photo,so dun even try to share music n video wif others.
N nao finally,wif Windows phone 7 os,n even LG can come out wif these spec,apple shuld be dead

LG optimus spec:
3.8 inch capacitive touchscreen display
1Ghz snapdragon processor
5 megapixel camera
16GB of storage built in

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 14 2010, 10:47 AM

too early to say anything la.. if i am not mistaken, first gen WIn7 phone cant even cut/copy/paste..

y ppl like iphone?
multitouch,pinch zoom

y iphone dead?
multitouch is a common feature

ip4 pawn others nt oni becos of its spec...d brand name matters too

even a humble nokia n8, samsung wave, htc hd2 already pwnd ipoo4 kao kao

last year when i see an iphone(wa iphone leh,cool man)
nao when i see an iphone(come on not another iphone...)

nice phone....

and get this , the capacitive touch screen LG used it first in the first prada phone . not apple . lol

other WP7 phones all coming end of 2010,n wif their minimum spec requested by mircosoft:
1ghz processor or more
5mp camera or more
multi contact point screen
a camera button(this 1 is important for me ,u cant really take a nice photo of urself wif ip4,becoz the camera button is ON screen...)

•HTC 7 Surround -- The 3.8-inch T8788 with slideout speaker for AT&T and Telus
•HTC HD7 -- Schubert comes of age as a 4.3-inch HD2 cousin for T-Mobile and beyond
•HTC 7 Trophy -- the 3.8-inch Spark headed to international carriers
•HTC 7 Mozart -- another heavily leaked int'l player with 3.7-inch display
•Dell Venue Pro -- 4.1-inch portrait QWERTY slider for T-Mobile we broke as Lightning
•Samsung Focus -- AT&T's 4-inch Super AMOLED slate we broke as Cetus
•Samsung Omnia 7 -- the i8700 is a 4-inch Super AMOLED jobbie for Europe
•LG Optimus 7-- the E900 is the official 3.8-inch global workhorse
•LG Quantum -- AT&T's 3.5-inch landscape slider first seen as the C900

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 14 2010, 12:37 PM

bro,do u ever use lg phone before?i am km900 arena user.i am very pity with LG because still have a screen that have a burn in display with flicker...like a very old tv display.from the spec look cool(3.0 inc capacitive display 400 x 800 reso with 16 million)..And the most funniest thing is that when i ask lg shop why my screen like that,they said "This is not a hardware problem,LG arena screen is like that".the firmware is also very2 buggy,even with V10P..so dont look at the spec bro.look at the quality

dont worry,tis is the first bang of the microsoft WP7,they wont allow LG to ruin it I think.
n u still got HTC n samsung to go
HTC HD7

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 14 2010, 12:45 PM

iphone 4 pwn W7 coz it has Angry Birds!!
end of story

WoW. thx alot for the info.

fanboy

iphone is still good,juz too bored of it...
when most of ur fren using iphone nao,nothing special about it anymore

Didn't android already pwn iphone? Latest stats show android outselling iphone worldwide. Let's see what microsoft can bring to the table to stir the competition. But I doubt the first gen of W7 can be of any impact. Probably next few improved updates.

not really, i was just joking la
in terms of hardware ofcourse many phones out there pwn iphone but when it comes to apps, who can beat iphone?
just like xbox v ps3, ps3 harware power but still lose to xbox n wii when it comes to game sales..
and as a reply to y still ip4?
coz it has apps that i need.
if i go symbian do they offer "quickreply" sms app like the one in iphone? no..


if u think that way later when all ur friends use W7 u'll say the same thing then u gonna switch to what?

actually its bcoz their successful marketing plans.

everyone loves apple. juz like u buy sporting brand u go for nike.

Eventually. alot developers develope games/apps for apple

WP7 got lot of potential:
1)Microsoft,u dun need to read times magazine to know how rich is this kingdom
2)Y worry about it's app,when HTC,Samsung,LG n Dell all using tis OS on their new highend phone
3)Games....Xbox~
4)at older android os,multitouch still not supported...but WP7 1st os version already have multitouch feature
5)Microsoft r simply 10 times richer n stronger than apple n google combined

WP7 r all not same...
i means their all running same OS,but their design r all different

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 14 2010, 03:25 PM

Wrong la, ppl like iphone is cause brand, games, high class...

Iphone dead is due to home button spoil,

lol? multi touch ?
eh wait ,
now only out with multi task is slowpoke liaw

from what i read devs also say it's easier to develope iphone apps than symbian. more profitable for them too when they can put ads on their free version

better late than never. tats all i can say.

For those who compare other phones' hardware to iphone's than it's a fail.

It's obvious that iphone won the hearts of many because of it's apps store and seamless touch.

Nowadays, it's all about networking and customization!
Windows and Symbian are miles behind, that is why android can come close to rival iphone.

android or WP7 both of them r qualified to overcome apple

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 14 2010, 03:42 PM

to be honest.. theres tons of phone which hardware specs defeat the iphone 4.. But what makes iphone can compete with others is because of the apps..

yup.. u can brag all u like about how amazing the hardware specs of other phone which clearly beats iphone 4.. but its all about entertainment..

you probably got bored by your phone seeing the same dull thing everyday.. not when u can get new apps everyday that can keep u entertain..

its also comes to the user personal taste.. some of em wants entertainment thus getting an iphone..

while some of em just want to do business related stuff or being professional like getting a Blackberry

every phone got their pros and cons.. so there is no such thing as the most powerful phone on the planet because personal preferences can differ among each other..

clearly WP7 will have more games
WP7=XBOX professional games devs n outside devs=Games
Apple=outside devs onli=half good games
android=internet flash mini games?

n if apple din come out wif tis soon,it wont be on top anymore.
http://www.yankodesign.com/2010/10/07/talking-with-a-palm/

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 14 2010, 06:43 PM

Microsoft already mentioned that the Xbox live feature is just like a messenger for the Xbox live and keeping you up online with the server and your gaming community on the go. There are no plans to bring the console games with 1 to 1 experience in the device as you will need more processing power to run those processing intensive games. Only those mini games will be included when you've purchased an original Xbox games, or download from their server. And please, Big gaming company would shine on those graphical intensive, rpg, FPS, strategy etc console games. That does not mean on standard puzzle genre, they can do well to. Can they come up games as good as angry bird, mini squadron or even those popcap games? They are just simple games but, giving endless hours of enjoyment and fun. Lastly, before you mock andriod, look closer, andriod can play full flash games. Can windows 7? no, Windows have no plans on incorporate full flash feature, they will only do it later. And when they say later, it will be another wave of upgrade which users will have to wait. No hard feelings, just telling the truth which most users choose to ignore. Its too early to call wm7 winning the battle when there is no production models available in the market. All for now the KIN system (father of windows 7) is promising as it has shown on Kin one and Kin two.

sry,WP7 can pawn iphone??did you real all the features from WP7??
even the bold statement doesn't exist on WP7
WP7 is like a reborn of 1st generation iOS/iphone OS

have a look:
Key features:

* Premium mobile OS (high minimum hardware requirements)
* Clean, uncluttered interface with distinctive design language
* Easy and thumbable user interface
* Smooth operation with cool animations and transition effects
* A fresh start with no legacy support needed
* Backed up and developed by one of the largest software companies in the world
* Excellent MS Office mobile implementation
* Top-notch social integration
* Excellent cloud services integration (SkyDrive, Windows Live, Xbox Live)
* Wireless syncing of multimedia content

Main disadvantages:

* No system-wide file manager
* No videocalling
* Limited third-party apps availability
* No Bluetooth file transfers
* No USB mass storage mode
* No multitasking
* No copy/paste
* Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing
* No music player equalisers
* No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser
* No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far
* No DivX/XviD video support
* No internet tethering support
* Memory cards are not natively supported by the OS
* New ringtones available only through the Marketplace

i will go for iphone rather than WP7 at least FOR NOW...

XBOX games in WP7?you gotta be kidding..
with the gpu from old snapdragon, it's kinda hard to have a nice graphics for game(but the sims3 looks sleep in demo though)

of coz not xbox360 game straightly port to phone la =.="
dun u c xbox devs n microsoft r somehow partner?
n y not good graphic game in phone,at least my iphone 4 r smoother than my psp.

android is on 2.1 nao,while apple on ios4?
how long did android take to grow from 1.6 to 2.1?fast enuff?
n WP7 is juz 1st gen,but did it miss out anything?
multitask?srsly do i need multitask when app load in a sec?
facetime?
copy n paste?major programming needed to add tis feature?
apple isnt bad,it's at least 3 years advance than others,maybe iphone 5 realli come out wif projector,tat gonna change everything again.but it's juz aint ip4.
wat did ip4 have but ip2 din have?
multitask?
facetime?
gayscope?
flash?opps sry camera flash:p
mute ur phone when ur ears go near the screen?


This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 15 2010, 12:39 PM

oh wait,i am confused with your post

please re-read my previous post that the snapdragon chip in most WP7 phones is not on par with iphone 4...
i believe it using Adreno 200 instead of Adreno 205 from new snapdragon chip in Desire HD and Desire Z..that means it using the same processor and gpu with Nexus One and Desire..you can look for the "graphic" benchmark at youtube by both phones..
thats why i said it's kinda hard to get good graphic game for Wp7 phones..(that's my opinion)

and about the rest of your statement,im not sure u 'bashing" WP7 or android or iphone

and 1 more: more features(like multitask,copy and paste,etc) are better than nothing dude...

iPhone 4 got face time.
Yes, apple invented their own video calls. Kudos.

Main disadvantages:

* No videocalling
* Limited third-party apps availability
* No multitasking
* No copy/paste

enough reason to buy iphone4..

no matter how supreme ANY phone is. it will boil down to user exprient. now that i am an ip4 user. i get ig why its too darn popular. ip4 is all about apps. those spec just make all the eyecandy sweeter! i think im getting eye diabetic XD

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Added on October 15, 2010, 7:15 pmi never even try it once. unless can do via 3g its preety much useless to me

This post has been edited by Revamperz: Oct 15 2010, 07:15 PM

r u pro enuff to tell which chip r more superior?
im not pro in chip,but i onli know even 3gs wif 667mhz is smooth enuff for good graphic game,n realli i din notice any faster in my ip4 srsly,maybe load app 0.3 sec faster?
how slow r those snapdragon chip run?1ghz?

wow,bravo,finally afta 4 years time iphone4 r capable to do:
retarded videocall,
the almighty new technology multitask,which make me need to close apps regularly,
n hey the copy n paste,lol

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 15 2010, 07:38 PM

TS, you could have read more on WP7 OS, to me it has even greater limitation than iOS which had started the war. I would say they are following iOS path, slowly allowing more features over time. For me, MS team works a lot like Apple last time, tight control on hardware and closed platform.
Open source? Only Android speaks.

At this infant stage, getting manufacturers to comply with hardware spec helps maintain the standard experience on the same OS. This move clearly is targeting Android which grows wilder on entry to hi-end devices, causing mix of experience on apps supported. Great move in keeping premium standard but low budget users will be omitted.

Software wise, like Apple iTunes, you can only sync with Zune. If you bash Apple for limitation, then MS has nowhere to hide in the same limitation. Android is much more customizable in this aspect.

Gaming wise, Apple has hands down win. Their device is meant for game especially with established support from big names, EA, Gameloft etc

However, they are very late, not only to iOS, but to Android and RIM BB. Despite hardware, I would rather ask, what aspect you are most impressed from MS WP7?

This post has been edited by catsper: Oct 15 2010, 08:01 PM

im not bashing apple entirely,im onli bashing ip4.
coz ip4 reach msia a lil bit late,where other phones tat on par or even more superior n even cheaper had be released,galaxy s,htc desire n the coming WP7s.
n i can onli say the ip4 itself is quite buggy.

n this explained my post,y still ip4 when there r cheaper,faster n less common choices out there.
everybody like special.
im quite regret myself for signing for ip4 coz it's buggy,thus sharing my idea here.y cant i bash my phone?

n the new UI of WP7 alone already attracted me deep enuff~
n it's potential is very very great?too.
u dun have to worry about the apps of WP7

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 15 2010, 08:37 PM

Agreed. In US, Android now has become the main challenge for the iOS.

WP7 is really late in its release, costing Steve Ballmer half of his bonus. Pity him.

I see your point. You could sell yours and get something else than just mumbling. Android or BB could be best bet with established community here.

I would advise not jumping straight into MS stuff at least this year, They failed Kin project still haunts me. To me, the UI is the most attractive at first, but could get boring as I do not see it customizable. Still not sure if Samsung or HTC could skin it with TouchWiz or Sense. I like Sense very much.

WP7 certainly has potential but immediate impact is hardly felt. Like Zune player, very good hardware but I do not see it getting much popularity, even in US itself. Hate to tie to the Zune software for media transfer, but that is me though.

Side note, iPhones are best pair with iTunes for best experience, buying and renting contents are seamless and fuss-free. I guess you are not into Apple ecosystem, just pass and get something else. Good luck.

ok look,im not pro regarding of which chip is better or worst..but hey,there are many reviews about it and discuss deep inside the specs(with pictures,video,etc)
and ya,3gs has good graphic for the game and using the same as the gpu found in iphone 4..they both powered by PowerVR SGX535 which can handle better quality game..
and ask u,how fast you want your iphone 4 perform? 0.3sec not fast enough for u? or u want within or even below 0.0 second? talk with my hand then...


current iphone 4 specs is already better and can say as up-to-date specs..in the end, it's all up to OS
try look at galaxy s,monster specs but rubbish software and laggy from Samsung..so whats the point having better spec with laggy phone??

i tried WP7 1 month ago for just around 15minutes and i only know the animation(fade in and out) and the calendar looks better for me..that's it...

@catsper
might do tat,when the WP7s released in msia

@hihihehe
r ur ip4 problem free at all?
for myself,so far afta using handphone for almost 10 years,
i can say ip4 r the buggiest phone i ever had,n hey it's aint cheap at all...
fast or not it's simply buggy.
i din expect to pay 2k+ to get tis kind of product.

i had tried galaxy s too,n it aint laggy at all lo.
if i din already get the ip4 im probably using it nao~
juz waiting for WP7 nao


This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 16 2010, 08:49 AM

i nvr owned any iphone 4 because i already have SGS..
not sure what bug are you mentioning but i don't see any complain from my frens..
so it's either your unit is faulty or your expectation is very high..

about the galaxy s,you will know it once u owned it..try head to galaxy s thread and u will see tons of people looking for lagfix..

Curious to know what kind of bug?

reception issue? antenna gate?

1)the proximity? sensor problem,u will mute ur phone sometime during call.
2)the dust problem,the dust is hiding somewhere inside the phone i think.n will come out afta a week or two on the camera lens.
3)when u charge,the phone will hang/freeze.
4)yellow spot on the screen.
5)antenna band,but i can live wif tat since im using casing.
these r the problems i encounter myself.

if u wan more bug,juz google those fussy US customer feedback.
n u will find out only msia buyer admire ip4 like god,those western country fellow r bashing it everyday.

probably or phone faulty.. maybe u r just unlucky..

1. yeah i heard that before.but i thought new update already fixed it?
2. first time hear about it
3. also first time
4. maybe because the screen is just fresh "open" and u need time to get it back to normal
5. i tested 2 iphone 4 with full signal bar and nvr have the problem at all..no matter how hard i grip,etc it still full bar

and not only malaysia like iphone, even majority of Australia here using iphone and 1 of the best selling country

well u neva heard of it,probably becoz u din owned 1 urself.
juz visit apple subforum iphone in lowyat forum and it's all there.
well i dun like follow blindly,i look for the best bang of my money. 2k+ is not lil in msia,n i do think i deserve better.
if i had known of these problem b4,i wont be regret nao.

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 16 2010, 06:53 PM

sell ur phone and look for something u like.. easy.. hehe

ya,juz waiting for WP7s,i do think still can sell quite high tat time

The reason why android wants to promote itself to other brands is to not leave out anyone. Not just for sales figure. If everyone is under the same app market unlike Apple which is being stingy..

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Added on October 16, 2010, 10:25 pmIts not how hard you grip it. Its in what position and what way u grip it. Who cares if you press a lighter on the side with the force of 10 kg? Just lightly close the top part and it won't light.

This post has been edited by xDarkKn1ghtx: Oct 16 2010, 10:25 PM

nah,no matter how i grip still the same..position and the way i grip is correct and therefore,i try grip it harder...

When i actually grip my Nokia 5800 at all sides COMPLETELY, the 3.5G dropped significantly.

But it does not completely cut off from the network.

1. already fixed with 4.1. mine sometimes still have this issue. maybe 1 out of 100
2. no problem
3. nvr have this problem
4. mine ok
5. no problem except in kota damansara coz maxis line there sucks.

The only reason why ppl like iphone is because of the apps and games offered.
Once these stuff is no longer available for apple then apple will lose .
p.s : impossible

Iphone 4 won't die so easily because of the apps, iTunes consist of 250,000 apps and still growing, the apps can benefits from age of 0-100, seriously, if you found a good apps, it really easy your life a lot :-)

Android OS just consist of 80,000apps but not for all platform of phone.

Iphone have standard platform, therefore this is the win win for apple :-)

Andoid is gaining ground in the US market and its application is growing as well.

aiming ---> HTC HD7

haha this thread for butthurt ppl.....
go buy w7 or android phone..and duduk diam2...
u get HTC HD7 and shout da world ur phone da best in da world///

sure,when i sold off my ip4 n get a new phone
u juz duduk diam2 and enjoy ur buggy ip4 la (the thing i dun wan to keep) cheers

This post has been edited by nujo87: Oct 21 2010, 07:43 PM

cool then.. this thread? what is ur point? can close already

ip4 laggy?

dia bodoh abaikan...

You use ip4 right?

How was the performance?

great...

Although Android apps is growing but it's not for all platform, because android OS running is many different screen size, processor, the apps might just suit in certain phone model only.

there is nothing to worry about performance in iphone 4...

esp after jb, i have access to my phone completely. just like android, need to rooted b4 having access to the device totally.

including the antenna issue?

Mind explain?

Antenna issue is not apparent in our country. AT&T's poor network is the cause of the drop off calls etc. Wait till verizon users use their Iphone and let them speak and see if the same situations occurs in their network. I have a few friends using it and so far it's fine and no drop in calls.

it's just like switching user account in your windows from guest to admin. In linux, they call it root or super user. These are the only account which gives you full authority to make changes and play around the config system. Jailbreak has been around where by people jailbreak to get full control. Tweak and pimp up the phone with their likings without being capped by apple. Why they do it? cause the OS is capable of doing so. Why apple cap the feature? So that users will not make mess out of the phone if they have no idea on what their doing. Plus its a way of assuring the phone runs natively without any problem.

Dun worry about antenna prob. Used switcheasy nude case. Prob solve

Thank You very much for your explanation. i appreciate it.

I see. Thanks for your advice.

While quantity does have it's own quality, sifting through 250,000 apps to find a decent one isn't my idea of a good phone experience. Same goes with the Android platform, too much fragmentation makes it hard for developers to satisfy the many segments of Android users. Apps are not the solve all of smartphones. What is needed is a "developer friendly" OS that allows to devs to concentrate on developing quality apps.

Angry Bird may be fun for 2 days, but it gets old fast (unless you're a simpleton who enjoys simple games). Bejeweled 2 is a lot more fun. And what about quality GPS apps?

Iphone? High class?

Where is the ROFLMAO smiley when you need it.

Iphone is just a current trend for now. High Class? Maybe.

antenna issue is a stone age problem. this problem solve longtime ago d. dun worried about it, let the cavemen worry.

I never heard there is any antenna issue in SG and M'sia yet...

It reminds me when i see the youtube video when they try to prove other handset also facing the similar problem, it is connected to AT&T network as well.

Looks like Apple "kena buta" about the antenna issue.