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post Oct 14 2010, 05:16 AM, updated 16y ago

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example of Hokkiens word compare it with current korean and japanese word

FLAG ~ Hokkien : Ki ..Korean : Ki .. Japanese : Ki
THANKS/GRATITUDE ~ Hokkien : Kam sia ..Korean : Kam Sa.. Japanese : Kansha
SUCCESS ~ Hokkien : Seng Kong.. Korea : Song Kong.. Japanese : Seikoo
PROGRESS ~ Hokkien : Chin Por.. Korean : Chin Bo ..Japanese : Shinpo
NEWS ~ Hokkien : Sin Boon ..Korean : Sin Mun ..Japanese : Shin Bun
SIMPLE ~ Hokkien : Kan Tan ..Korean : Gand Dan ..Japanese : Kan Tan
TIME ~ Hokkien : Si Kan .. Korean : Si Kan .. Japanese : Ji Kan
PREPARE ~ Hokkien : Choon Pi ..Korean : Joon Pi .. Japanese : Jun Bi

so much more to name, and usually can find so much hokkien words used in korean language

the hokkien language is very ancient, some said it derived from Tang Dynasty, the pronounciation.. i dunno, but it is true the current mandarin language have so much influence of manchu era during Qing dynasty

previously one of the founder of China today Sun Yat Sen arrived in Penang..
i think he want to study the language of ancient chinese language (since peranakan is very anti manchu, the first wave of chinese in Malaysia, they didn't even want to wear "tocang" as what u saw in Jet Li Kung Fu movie.. they said it is manchu people culture.. so anti with manchu people.. dunno why)

but then the founder of china country now choose mandarin which heavily have influence of the manchu era.. its not easy to change people culture as the manchu era is 268 years, same like us la.. so many hundred years under british influence, u think very easy to change ka? ONLY A VERY STRICT AND EVIL LEADER LIKE ADOLF HITLER (from Germany) and MEIJI EMPEROR of JAPAN can successfully changed the culture of their own in just couple of years.. others take so many years even hundred of years.

during the time of Sultan Mansor Shah of Kesultanan Melayu Melaka, when he married Puteri Hang Li Po from China (Ming Dynasty, i didn't remember the name of china that time.. as far as i know china name derived from qing/ching dynasty.. the british colonial like to make fun with qing/ching name with phrase like "hey u bloody chink" (meaning very weak), the qing/ching dynasty name is what make the china name nowaday.. as far as i know).. the followers and family of Puteri Hang Li Po look like speak in hokkien language and perform the peranakan people.. the year is above 1500.

I can't deny that hokkien culture really influenced malaysian culture today from food to bahasa melayu.. and same goes to current hokkien language.

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if study from language, then we will know that ancient Japanese language have connection with Hawaii language and also Bahasa Melayu + the influence of chinese words that look like originated from what hokkien people speak in Malaysia.. it is 1,000 years of civilization.. the British era before this implement the DIVIDE n RULE idealogy so that the new group of what some malaysian politician calls "pendatang" will not kacau their plan to rule the colonized nation.

user posted image ~ most of the people from the era of Puteri Hang Li Po look like speak in hokkien language with heavy influence of melayu n also british colonial era

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i think human is really like to race race n race! who win got medal.. LOL
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post Oct 14 2010, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(SilentSerpent @ Oct 14 2010, 05:29 AM)
siham?
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siham + chilli sauce + lime.. drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif
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nouruddines.. i remind u do not remind me of that amoi! vmad.gif

i learned some hokkien words because of she.. maybe i like that amoi so much. sad.gif
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post Oct 14 2010, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(daruma @ Oct 14 2010, 07:21 AM)
no it's hakka,hokkien perasan

FLAG ~ Hokkien : Ki ..Korean : Ki .. Japanese : Ki ,
Hakka Ki

THANKS/GRATITUDE ~ Hokkien : Kam sia ..Korean : Kam Sa.. Japanese : Kansha
Hakka kam chia

SUCCESS ~ Hokkien : Seng Kong.. Korea : Song Kong.. Japanese : Seikoo
Hakka sin kung

PROGRESS ~ Hokkien : Chin Por.. Korean : Chin Bo ..Japanese : Shinpo
hakka chin pu

NEWS ~ Hokkien : Sin Boon ..Korean : Sin Mun ..Japanese : Shin Bun
hakka sin vun

SIMPLE ~ Hokkien : Kan Tan ..Korean : Gand Dan ..Japanese : Kan Tan
gan dan

TIME ~ Hokkien : Si Kan .. Korean : Si Kan .. Japanese : Ji Kan
si kan

PREPARE ~ Hokkien : Choon Pi ..Korean : Joon Pi .. Japanese : Jun Bi
joon pi
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good reference from Universiti Putra Malaysia (UPM)

Perubahan Leksis dalam Dialek Hokkien dan Dialek Hakka: Satu Kajian Kes
http://psasir.upm.edu.my/6828

majority of Malaysian chinese.. even in whole South East Asia people is hokkien and hakka people.

what i know, hokkien people arrived in Malaysia since year 1500++ (usually they are a very noble people or business people),
while the Hakka people arrived in Malaysia and South East Asia around year 1800++.. the record so far

during ancient days Hakka people very fierce la.. they always wanna rebel, have somekind of warrior blood in their vein..
and one of the cause why manchu era, Qing dynasty collapsed in china.
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post Oct 14 2010, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Oct 14 2010, 12:25 PM)
so selama ini orang china mengagung-agung baHASA manchu la(mandarin)..... y not hokkien as national language
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mandarin = "speech of officials", can trace back its history during the manchu era

i think this video below is very debatable

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post Oct 14 2010, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(atombom123 @ Oct 14 2010, 01:51 PM)
nono.. japanese =cantonese

yes=hai
teacher=singsang
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INSURANCE ~ Hokkien : Poh Hiam, Korean : Poh Ham
SAFETY ~ Hokkien : Aun Chuan, Korean : An Jon
RIVER ~ Hokkien : Kang, Korean : Kang

EMOTION/FEELING ~ Hokkien : kam tong, Korean : Kam Jong, Japanese : Kanjoo
MARRIAGE - Hokkien : Keat Hoon, Korean : Kyol Hon, Japanese : Kekkon

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it look like most of "f" sound in mandarin is "h" sound in hokkien, korean and japanese rclxub.gif
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post Oct 14 2010, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(mongtan @ Oct 14 2010, 02:52 PM)
huat ahh ...
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still learning.. let me guess

Ah Wang? unsure.gif
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post Oct 14 2010, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(cbsim @ Oct 14 2010, 09:13 PM)
No, it's Cantonese smile.gif

Yes ~ Cantonese: Hai - Japanese: Hai
Walk ~ Cantonese: Sanpou - Japanese: Sanpo
Simple ~ Cantonese: Kantan - Japanese: Kantan
Time ~ Cantonese: Sikan - Japanese: Jikan
Phone ~ Cantonese: Dinwa - Japanese: Denwa
Dismiss ~ Cantonese: Kaisan - Japanese: Kaisan
Question ~ Cantonese: Mantai - Japanese: Mondai
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cantonese is very near to mandarin right?

why r cantonese called others as "ghost", n the hakka people as their guest?

about japanese.. in ancient days they adopt chinese education.. so no wonder la
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before meiji emperor time, japanese admire chinese education system before they made their own japanese education system (japan+german+dutch+english+usa+chinese)
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post Oct 14 2010, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(damonlbs @ Oct 14 2010, 09:20 PM)
i love you in japanese is Ai-shi-te-ru

what is i love you in hokkien...? biggrin.gif
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i love u = wa sayang lu

laugh.gif sayang lu, sayang lu

i think in korean they said "sarang" same meaning as "sayang" laugh.gif


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