This very unfair....

does this means that cheats cannot be used even when playing singles campaign?

For further detail go to http://www.cheathappens.com/article_blizzardbans.asp.

This post has been edited by AdamNg: Oct 11 2010, 07:42 AM

play dota ai

type -whosyourdaddy

WHAM!

banhammer

Blizzard is yo daddy.


OT:its the Bobby "d***" Kotick effect

it is unfair.....at least, Blizzard should re-fund the money...

if you use unofficial cheats/trainers, and gained achievements, this ban is VERY FAIR.

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Added on October 11, 2010, 9:32 amthis is not gayflier or any of your typical asian MMORPG.

go crymoar in your corner

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 11 2010, 09:32 AM

there is a line between using cheat codes in the game and hacks.

using 3rd party cheats/trainers would still allow you to get achievements. so i think its fair.

trainers are technically hacks as they manipulate the memory which is being used for the game...
wut more they are 3rd party...
imagine its possible for multiplayer as well then it'll be havoc...

lol stop QQ'ing about it, you cheat = you're at wrong, read the terms and conditions at least before registering.

>recalls LYN WoW threads
>Malaysians
>read?

lold. even i stopped reading after TBC as theres pretty much no changes lol. it took me more than half an hour to finish the whole EULA btw. lol.

SC2 one i read once and thats it. (a lot short than WoW BTW)

lol u actually read the EULA?

yeah lol.

i stopped reading EULAs when i started beta testing for games...
each and every damn patch gives u EULA lol

its the same anyways. just forces you to read. though IINM there were slight changes before/after TBC, couldnt remember now though

I kind of agreed with the article. Blizzard may just step a bit too far. Banning when used in online games, it's all fair and square but even revoking their CD key from an offline game/campaign mode? If it's so bad, just ban them from any online games. Why go so far as revoking their legally purchased CD keys?

They broke the EULA but Blizzard's response is pretty damn over the top (wtd, Activision owns them so that's expected). They should just delete all single player achievements associated with SP cheater Bnet profiles instead.

single player awards achievements, cheating to acquire said achievements means un fair advantage. unfair advantage means ban.

is it THAT hard to understand?

besides, READ the EULA, and you will have the PERFECT idea that they have ALL THEIR RIGHT to do this. and bringing the matter to court and what not will only give blizzard's ARMY of lawyers a good laugh. (provided thats the only thing they did and not counter sue your ass into oblivion)

ppl cheat games for fun not the stupid useless achivement

if you are aware of the EULA, you should see this coming. so no point crying over split milk or crying for the sake of others.

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Added on October 11, 2010, 11:44 amthen use the built in cheat codes.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 11 2010, 11:44 AM

Or if still want to use the trainer, disconnect ur PC from Internet

I totally agree...just shut down the modem. We using cheat or trainer just for fun or maybe for completing the game....nothing to do with the achievement..

Any reason why you can't use the built-in cheat code to complete the game instead?

This post has been edited by talexeh: Oct 11 2010, 12:46 PM

Cheaters never prosper .. thats why!

^
this.

HAAHAHAH poor fella

Cheating for achievement do make a difference in online multiplayer gameplay. Example :

A player are searching for league game and saw his opponent had a super cool display picture and it will cause the player to lost some of his confidence and might cause changing in strategy or army placement which might cause him lose the match.

I think the title should be Blizzard bans Single Player Cheesers! hahahaa

woohoo ~
they already build in cheats for u...y go and use 3rd party hacks? =.="
u have been pwned by kottick ~

lame..

just go download pirated SC2 game, and use trainer, 3rdparty hack whatsoever until bleed.

its soo obvious cheating gonna award u ban! so dont QQ

are you promoting piracy?

its an option!

to people who think 3rdparty/trainer is LEGAL for original SC2 games.
unless they really/purposely cheat on retail game, then nothing can be done.

I'm also on the side of the fence that thinks that complete ban for single-player trainer usage is a bit over the top. Cheating in single player = victimless crime; so my opinion would be Bliz should just reset their achievements to zero and remove all their portraits.

I think the game just detects if there are any known third party program and sends the information to Blizzard regardless whether you used it for single player or multiplayer.

Their stance is that as long as you cheated using a program that is not endorsed by Blizzard, you're already trespassing on to God forsaken lands hence you're liable to the ban hammer. *smash*

Might be too harsh but how would they know if you used it for single or multiplayer. Might as well just ban all that uses third party programs for the game. To them it is probably one less threat to their big player base the better.

I am supposed to be banned for using hacks in single player campaign. However, still able to log in.

Probably pass my account to my cousin, don't have time to play.

Well. If you received a mail from supposedly Blizzard stating that you hacked and will be banned unless you login to a site link that they posted in the mail, then that is just a phisher mail, which you should just ignore.

programmed? After going through that email twice, I seriously doubt if he paid much attention while composing that email reply to you.

EDIT: OK, I've decided. Scorpi must be high when he wrote that.

This post has been edited by talexeh: Oct 12 2010, 01:27 PM

i would suggest mailing blizz directly.

Didn't receive any e-mails from Blizzard.

I thought they gonna banned anybody who use trainers in SP.

I'm pretty sure a "trainer" is a 3rd party program...

and reading those 2 lines made my head hurt.

it would be DAMN FUNNY if someone proceeded to hack SP and shit after getting the assurance from that idiot, and blizzard banned him, and said guy went back to said idiot for a show down.

Well, you're the lucky one that didn't get scanned.
They can't catch everyone.
Take for example fishing, there are so many fish in the sea, you can't catch all of it.

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Added on October 12, 2010, 1:44 pmIAHGames sucks basically.
Calling them at one point trying to fix my account due to region problem felt like calling TM for support...

This post has been edited by tatyinw: Oct 12 2010, 01:44 PM

Good to know.

I'll just pass it to my cousin, don't have time to play mp for Starcraft 2 or replay the campaign.

Oh busy with work or you're still more of a ssf4 series fan.

Nope, I haven't gone to SSF4 gatherings for a long time or touch SSF4 for that matter.

Perhaps 2-3 months. Clearing other games in my backlog even for that also quite rare these days.

Mainly work and trying to focus more on lifting weights and long distance jogging.

Oh nice.

That's a good route that you're taking.
Hope it works out great for you.

Why is that I buy the game already and I couldn't play it the way I like?
Even if I just trying to unlock the achievement, so what? Does that give me any advantage in multiplayer? Or Blizzard ban me because they know for sure there are many starcraft 2 player that got butthurt easily because of my achievement? Well, it seems like this is the real reason. Faggot got butthurt easily.

PS: Lucky me not rush into buying it.

Thank goodness I decided to quit WoW and not to buy Starcraft 2.

I knew Blizzard is going greedy the second they decide to split the game into 3 pieces and remove LAN play.

And pity those who butthurt with people getting achievements that means nothing in a game.

Guess someone like to show off their epeen.

Maybe for those real life loser, starcraft 2 achievement is the only thing they can boast about...
Or maybe, just maybe, penis length grew 2mm?

This post has been edited by TiF: Oct 12 2010, 03:41 PM

"why is that i buy the game but i cannot cheat and reign supreme over other players"

try to think for yourself as to why.

and if you're still going to be ignorant and argue, EULA, and like other people pointed out: theres probably no way for blizz to know if the 3rd party hack applied is for single player only, or applied to multiplayer. to be fair, upon usage and caught = ban end of story

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Added on October 12, 2010, 3:57 pmkewl, and the rest of the world would move on with their WoW or sc2. nothing of value was lost.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 12 2010, 03:57 PM

Yeah man better dun use hack, my friend got banned even b4 the new patch was implemented.

cause u accepted the EULA when u play it for the first time?
its their game, they can do wutever they like...
they allowed u guys to use the in-game cheat but those wont get ur achievements...
wut's an archived to be cheating for it LOL

considering the length of the single player and replay value of the multiplayer, blizzard would be dumb/ crazy to combine all 3 into a single release LOL...
either way, pretty clear haters gonna hate...
WoW jz reached 12M subs and sc2 is sitll the best selling RTS of its generation

and like other people pointed out: if achievement means NOTHING to you, and you just want to breeze the game or for whatever else reason anyways, there are BUILT IN CHEAT CODES which are completely legal and still gives you god mode. the only thing it does is disable achievement gains.

this

aiyo.

if wanna play their (blizzard) game (sc2) then must play by their (blizzard) rules mah. bend rules liao cannot play liao now want cry some more.

Lol, someone sounds like there's an option to reject the EULA and be able to play the game after that.

So I bought the game, then go home happily, install the game, suddenly see the EULA, what should I do? Convert the game into decoration?

This rules is just pure stupid.

I agree if they banned multiplayer cheat, but single player? huh?


PS: My argument is not about those got caught shouldn't be banned (after all, is in EULA, and if I don't agree I could always convert the game into room decoration, pretty expensive, but it stopped people from getting butthurt, so is a good deed), but is more to why has this rules at the first place?

This post has been edited by TiF: Oct 12 2010, 04:13 PM

For me simple, trainer is faster than typing cheat codes and I don't need to remember them and I can enjoy the full story as quickly as possible.

Oh....
So it is now a room decoration for you?
Don't like the decoration?

You can always go here.
http://forum.lowyat.net/Games
Other people would gladly buy it from you.

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Added on October 12, 2010, 4:24 pmIt is still your own choice to break the rules.
Whether they saman you or not is their choice as well.

You can always write a letter and feign ignorance or inconvenience as your defence to Blizzard if they do ban you for using 3rd party software.

But sometimes I wonder...
Using trainers which could even contain trojans and viruses is harder than typing terribleterribledamage or whysoserious for 26 times at the beginning of the game...


This post has been edited by tatyinw: Oct 12 2010, 04:24 PM

WoW is now populated completely by people that with mental capacity of a goldfish.

All the good and loyal players has left long ago, in order to get more people into the game, they design the content to be so easy that it can be completed by a goldfish in a bowl.

Tell me how the achievements affect the game besides making your epeen looks bigger and allow you to stroke your epeen in front of others?

Also, as mentioned by someone before me, show me how I can decline a contract that is not being negotiated with me before it was applied to the game and still play the game.

Trivia: Starcraft was actually created based on Warhammer 40k.

Nah, I can't be bothered with it. Haven't touch Starcraft 2 since I finished single player campaign, kinda waste of money plus I can't sell it away since I have to sell it with my account.

Gonna just pass it to my cousins or friends for them to play

can. dont play the game.

and you may request for refund if you do not agree with the EULA. while i doubt IAH/local retailer would bother with you, you may try your luck with blizzard USA directly. with that said, i am quite certain should you stay in USA you may get that refund pretty damn easily. after all their consumer rights is very much different than ours, to the point its commonly abused.

=edit=
also, your argument is invalid (which is what myself, and a huge majority of people that have common sense within this thread pointed out) as it would be 1) extra work for blizzard to specifically weed out SP cheater/hackers 2) there may not be a method for blizzard to seperate SP/MP cheater/hackers 3) SP cheaters gaining achievements (please, for the love of god, read up the definition on WHAT is an achievement) when they SHOULD NOT be gaining. blizzard stance is firm: any illegal/unauthorized methods to gain ANY advantage (gaining achievements where you shouldn't, for example) in ANY of their game = ban end of story.

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Added on October 12, 2010, 4:40 pmcasual mode is as retarded as it is, and typing a god mode cheat code shouldnt be too hard in casual mode.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 12 2010, 04:43 PM

Can't be bothered to.

then dont. its your call. if you're ban, just dont cry for it. if you're not, then good for you.

Not banned and not gonna replay the game.

Gonna just pass it to my cousins and friends.

so whats your armory prior to quiting? what is your highest achievements? if you're never at the highest possible state in the game, you do NOT have any say in this at all. regardless of how casual and brain dead the game may be.

and as for epeen, its only there if you bother about it. (eg: you harping non stop about something that you supposedly do not bother) and based on your logic: one should never bother to win games right? because achievements and epeen is nothing, amirite?

easy. you do not play the game. thus you declined the contract. simple as that. and get your refund.

trivia: blizzard originally wanted to team up with them for the original warcraft (rather, warhammer), they got rejected, and thus they created their own warcraft franchise. see where they are now?

kianweic,

Then please also choose to can't be bothered to response to this thread.
You are already typing more than the cheat code to tell us that you can't be bothered.
It is getting really ironic that you're still posting here...
Go do your workouts or your work instead...

hmm, high on drug, aren't you?

1) extra work for blizzard to specifically weed out SP cheater/hackers
>> they want to ban, it is their responsibility to be able to specify the SP hackers (for me, cheaters are those who use the built in cheats).
from your point of view, if someone get caught killing another whether self-defense or not, then can straight sentence to death? coz go to court is well, extra work.

2) there may not be a method for blizzard to seperate SP/MP cheater/hackers
>> they can keep track on all your HOLY ACHIEVEMENTS and not able to seperate SP hackers from MP's?

3) SP cheaters gaining achievements (please, for the love of god, read up the definition on WHAT is an achievement)
>> seriously, now I understand how almighty is the achievement for you. I apologize if I somehow look down at those achievements. Hail achievement. May achievements continue to blessed me with all the intelligence and strength to keep pawning noobs. Amen.

I am just replying Quaz since he replied mine.

Fine. I'll just leave it be, enjoy.

my fren bought the NA version (which is cheaper than SEA as he is in canada)...
then he jz moved back to msia for 1 year, gave blizz a call and blizz gave him SEA version as well...

seriously, i dun get why are ppl making blizz sound like some $.$ hogger when they could have jz charge for the sea lol...

1) it is not their responsibility AT ALL considering violation of the EULA allows them to revoke your rights to their game at their free will. and nope, that is entirely different because there was no EULA over your life, for example.

2) because achievements is within their game design while 3rd party hacks and cheats are clearly not.

3) averting the topic at hand when you have nothing intelligent for a rebuttal?

ps: you said to you cheaters are those who use built in cheats, yes? if you use built in cheats, you are PERFECTLY safe from being banned.

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Added on October 12, 2010, 4:58 pmaww snaps. maybe i should try my luck wwww

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 12 2010, 04:58 PM

So nice of you to pass it and share it with your cousins and friends..... Oh wai.... its against Battle.Net's term and conditons to share account.

Yup and I can't give it away either.

I am starting to believe that you are high on drugs...

1. They don't need to weed out. A rule is broken by using third party software. That's it basically. Your point on death sentence is irrelevant as it is a totally different law, which is out of topic here. Overruled.

2. Same as point 1. As for keeping track of achievements, it was built into the game. Why is that even difficult. It is working as intended.

3. I'm not sure why is achievements so important or why is it even debated in the first place, whether you gain something or not from using the third party program, you still broke a rule for using third party software.

Basically, all my points still points to the very same rule in the EULA. And to back up Quazacolt on the refund thingy.
Took this from WoW EULA.

THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. BY INSTALLING, COPYING OR OTHERWISE USING THE GAME (DEFINED BELOW), YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME. IF YOU REJECT THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER YOUR PURCHASE, YOU MAY CALL (800)757-7707 TO REQUEST A FULL REFUND OF THE PURCHASE PRICE.


You're all just arguing that I should be able to break a rule because it is not severe.
If you're not happy go start a lawsuit against Blizzard or a protest against Blizzard for it.
If not you could always choose the simplest answer. Just don't play. It is that simple....

ok assuming blizz allow 3rd party, we'll see more threads coming up about maphacks, warping in immortals with warptech etc...

get over it, those paying customers/ who bought the game are happy 3rd party software to be banned...
we dun wanna see retards cheating on multiplayer...

ps: if u knw coding etc (or basic computing), its much better n easier to detect 3rd party as a whole which alter the game parameters via memory rather than identifying if its for SP or MP...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 12 2010, 05:05 PM

Like I said.
Break it at your own risk.
Not like they are going to find out about you sharing.
You already got away with using trainers, maybe you'll continue to be lucky.

And certainly we can't be bothered to report as well.
Just do what you want. But I do implore you that if you do get banned, just don't cry like the topic starter.

I am not gonna cry like topic starter.

I just move on to other games, things and etc.

I don't know why it is a big deal, ok fine I didn't get caught using a trainer, it's not like I am going to use again since I am very unlikely to replay the game.

2ndly, I can't share which is ok since it's in the EULA but I am not even sharing. I am more or less giving it away anyway. Not selling, not sharing, not anything.

I don't get it, if I buy the game I decide not to play why can't I just give it to my cousin or friend.

its only a big deal if you make it as so. if you dont make it as a big deal, its not then

as for account sharing, if you look back in WoW, that can mean a lot of unfair advantage by taking turns to farm/grind etc. then there is also the issue of account tradings, and even fraud amongst account trading (such as reporting to blizz to reclaim the account etc). the easiest way out is to say that its illegal to all of that.

then again, like everyone's been pointing out: if your cousin (or whoever) isn't going to report you, or vandalize or cheat with your account, i doubt blizzard will find and ban you.

1. It is not a big deal to me.

2. Fair enough.

3. Well, it's up to him. Worst case scenario, I'll have to re-buy the game, registered another account if I get banned because of him or I could just leave it be.

So by your logic, unless I earned every bloody achievements available, highest possible equipment, highest PvP rating and maxed my gold, I am not qualified to complain?

I cleared the highest available content (4/4 ICC) before I quit because its so easy that its a joke, Blizzard was slow in releasing new content, I got bored and I choose to leave instead of keep paying monthly subscription. I do keep up with the update from time to time and found that there is nothing interesting anymore. In my opinion, I do win the game because I did take down the toughest possible boss before I leave, so I am satisfied with what I have achieved.
Remember as well that before Wotlk, there is no such thing as in game achievement and yet I enjoy the game even more.

So I decided to not buy Starcraft 2, if they continue this trend down to Diablo 3, I too will refuse to purchase Diablo 3.

In my opinion, Warhammer 40K is doing perfectly fine.

so personal achievement/goal is ok, but when the game set the achievement/goal, then its suddenly "overrated, show off"?

and following the EULA is absurd, now i wonder whoever said this would consider following other rules(let say the law)is absurd?

indirectly, yes. because blizzard intended ALL their content to be accessible by ANYONE. and what separates the casual than the hardcore/dedicated guilds/players are hard modes. there was no point creating content where only less than 5%-10% of the entire world's WoW population can access. (naxxramass pre TBC if you didn't realize)

and so you cleared 4/4 ICC, was it 4/4 LK hardmode? if no then i rest my case. if yes, then yes you are entitled to complain about how slow blizzard releases contents and/or how easy they were.

of course, you are entitled of your own opinions of what to buy and what to not buy. however you are aware on what forum you are in, and needless to say the majority (if not everyone) bought sc2, and trying to force your opinions/reasons on to the rest would be very unwise.

and yes, warhammer and warhammer 40k is doing pretty fine and dandy. though if you compared them against warcraft franchise and starcraft franchise, lets just say, not really. who knows what will happen if blizz did not create their own franchises and stuck with the warhammer ones. maybe it'll be greater, maybe it wont ever be good, not like we can all turn back time anyways. what we know now, warhammer/warhammer40k is pretty non-factor compared to the likes of what blizzard has.

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Added on October 12, 2010, 6:09 pmyeah all of a sudden doing something in a game earning game (or achievement lol) points is bad. haha. sure as hell did not know that

ps: speeding laws in malaysia is absurd. LAWL

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 12 2010, 06:09 PM

no offense but 4/4 back then was ez...
my guild cleared it on the first raid week...
the hard part comes for prof, sindra and LK...
heroic mode was a different story with a super steep learning for some bosses (saurfang, prof, lady, sindra and LK)...
even top guilds had problem killing LK lol...
wut blizz did was low end ez raids for casuals and heroic/ hardmode for the hardcores...
even as a hardcore back then (top mana unbuffed on server), i am fine wit such changes...
though i am nt bothered wit achievements LOL (though it gives free mount >.<)...

as for the warhammer series, i am a big fan...
i totally loved WAR though sadly it died due to the lack of content...
wutever warhammer MMO, i'll get it on release...
sure sc is inspired by war40k but nt everything is the same...
lots of fantasy games are inspired by lotr, does that make them bad?

^
wut a way to derail eh...


as for the banning of 3rd party, unless blizz allows addon 3rd party are a nono for SC2...
if u allow 3rd party, u allow openings for hacks during multiplayer...
even if u use it for SP only, how can blizz know?
if they went for more implicit method, ppl will say its nt respecting privacy...