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post Oct 8 2010, 09:03 PM, updated 16y ago

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An exerpt from the movie "Conan" by Arnold.... A ruthless asked conan, what is the most powerful weapon in the world? Conan was unable to answer. He then reveal the answer.... It is the ability to ask someone to die for you... no questions asked. Surely, this signify the power of mind control/brainwash.

Every now and then, realise it or not, we are under control of it.

1) politica; propaganda
2) advertisement
3) religion
4) ideology
what else?

what amaze me is that the successdul inmplementation of this in marketing and branding. On how people would deem a bag that carry LV symbol to be superior than the other.
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post Oct 8 2010, 09:12 PM

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thats why i dont beleive in "brands"...
if u cant tell the difference.,, why pay the differnece.

advertisement > brainwash > sells product..
and makes u think its worth it...
or just to show off to others....

i dont respect the CAR... if the driver acts like an @$$hole.

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it is such an unfortunate world that, the society we build upon is very much on selfish, ego and competition that drives most of the people wanted to power over another.
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post Oct 8 2010, 09:53 PM


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the power isn't all that great when you realise it....
i would like to call this version of "mind control" as conditioning though.

anyway....business is business.....i would do the same for the "edge" it gives.
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QUOTE(zeitgeist @ Oct 8 2010, 10:45 PM)
it is such an unfortunate world that, the society we build upon is very much on selfish, ego and competition that drives most of the people wanted to power over another.
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I guess it matter as we as a beast that has awakened the consciousness in us. Unlike other animals that is inconscious about themselves.

This consciousness has provoked the perception and judgemental instinct
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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 8 2010, 09:53 PM)
the power isn't all that great when you realise it....
i would like to call this version of "mind control" as conditioning though.

anyway....business is business.....i would do the same for the "edge" it gives.
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before you say that, u must admit you gonna teach your own kid how to oppress others in order to success? what will happen if other people gonna do the same? u r not making the world civilized & a better place to live bro

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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 8 2010, 10:53 PM)
the power isn't all that great when you realise it....
i would like to call this version of "mind control" as conditioning though.
mind elaborate?

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anyway....business is business.....i would do the same for the "edge" it gives.
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i`m value minded person.
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 8 2010, 10:00 PM)
mind elaborate?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning
there are many similarities between advertisement and the conditioning experiments......

QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 8 2010, 10:00 PM)
i`m value minded person.
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i am talking from the side of seller when i mentioned that statement.
i too compare quality vs price of products as a consumer
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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 8 2010, 11:09 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning
there are many similarities between advertisement and the conditioning experiments......
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Will read it later on. I like to look at advertisements... it makes me wonder, by looking at LV`s ad... on how such simple picture could change the mind of people
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post Oct 8 2010, 10:35 PM

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It's the power of perception.

We value ourselves as individual, we don't want to be seen as just the worker ant in an ant colony. We look for something to set us apart, to put us on a higher level. To show to people 'Hey, I'm better than you' or 'I'm more special than you'.

Brands play on this. I perceive having an LV bag elevates my status and sets me apart from the commoners, so I buy one. Hey look, an iPhone...now I'm cool and teech savvy. It's all about perception and marketing is the art of manipulating this perception.
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the simplest example is through advertisement and if u have some understanding about magic then u should know how to control ppl's mind.i also found out from a book that actually there are ppl who really know how to control your mind by merely staring or looking into your eyes.the concept of mind control is really interesting,u guys can try to look for books which talk about mind control to discover more about this secret art.
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QUOTE(zeitgeist @ Oct 8 2010, 10:00 PM)
before you say that, u must admit you gonna teach your own kid how to oppress others in order to success? what will happen if other people gonna do the same? u r not making the world civilized & a better place to live bro
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oppress? how is that oppressing?
the consumer has the freedom of choice.....


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QUOTE(Agent 45 @ Oct 8 2010, 11:29 PM)
the simplest example is through advertisement and if u have some understanding about magic then u should know how to control ppl's mind.i also found out from a book that actually there are ppl who really know how to control your mind by merely staring or looking into your eyes.the concept of mind control is really interesting,u guys can try to look for books which talk about mind control to discover more about this secret art.
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magic.....advertisement.......mind control.......secret art.......books......
my curiosity is piqued.....mind spilling some beans?

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The greatness of the brainwash technique is greatly depends on the will power of the "victim".
Therefore, we should also focus on the people who accept it
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post Oct 9 2010, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 8 2010, 09:03 PM)
An exerpt from the movie "Conan" by Arnold.... A ruthless asked conan, what is the most powerful weapon in the world? Conan was unable to answer. He then reveal the answer.... It is the ability to ask someone to die for you... no questions asked. Surely, this signify the power of mind control/brainwash.

Every now and then, realise it or not, we are under control of it.
1) politica; propaganda
2) advertisement
3) religion
4) ideology
what else?

what amaze me is that the successdul inmplementation of this in marketing and branding. On how people would deem a bag that carry LV symbol to be superior than the other.
That is not mind control. Let me give you this scenario. I'm standing at a large open area. There are some kids playing with remote control cars nearby. Every once in a while, one of these little cars will come near me. As they get in range, I kicked them away. Off they go skidding in a direction they (the person holding the remote control) did not intend.

In your examples, you can nudge people a little in certain directions, but only in a very limited topic, not to an unlimited degree, and they can resist you to a degree. Propaganda might get some people to hate immigrants, but it does not tell you whether to brush your teeth before or after you've had your breakfast.


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QUOTE(dkk @ Oct 9 2010, 08:42 AM)
That is not mind control. Let me give you this scenario. I'm standing at a large open area. There are some kids playing with remote control cars nearby. Every once in a while, one of these little cars will come near me. As they get in range, I kicked them away. Off they go skidding in a direction they (the person holding the remote control) did not intend.

In your examples, you can nudge people a little in certain directions, but only in a very limited topic, not to an unlimited degree, and they can resist you to a degree. Propaganda might get some people to hate immigrants, but it does not tell you whether to brush your teeth before or after you've had your breakfast.
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Indirectly, it is the concept of moulding one`s mental perception

people nowadays are not that stupid and not that brilliant either

not that stupid in term of wont follow with a single order. e.g. do this, kill him....

not that brilliant interms of unable to judge. e.g. you can see this in political racial slurs and how then manage to convince people to commit verbal assult and street protest that jeopardise ethnic hoarmony.

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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 9 2010, 12:08 AM)
oppress? how is that oppressing?
the consumer has the freedom of choice.....
hey bro, this product 100% guaranteed satisfaction, this is the best of the best, unbreakable, lifetime warranty, u wont regret after buying it, you'll be millionaire after buying this!, get rich and spend like theres no tommorow! come buy and you'll get a chance to win 100 million!, buy this you'll be the champion!, you are the smartest buyer!

sounds familiar?

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QUOTE(zeitgeist @ Oct 9 2010, 10:21 AM)
hey bro, this product 100% guaranteed satisfaction, this is the best of the best, unbreakable, lifetime warranty, u wont regret after buying it, you'll be millionaire after buying this!, get rich and spend like theres no tommorow! come buy and you'll get a chance to win 100 million!, buy this you'll be the champion!, you are the smartest buyer!

sounds familiar?
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of course...........but it is not oppressing. mind you, also there's reciprocation from advertising false information.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 9 2010, 12:16 PM)
of course...........but it is not oppressing. mind you, also there's reciprocation from advertising false information.
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u still dont get it, if everybody else agreed with u that "business is business, due you'll get "the edge" in return"

what do you think will happen when everybody else also need to 'cheat' at each other? for eg: both of us is selling apple, of course u and i need to cheat at customer saying urs is better than mine, this is oppressing situation
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Funny you should mention this. I have a friend in advertising. He was just telling us recently, don't believe what you read/hear. It's all just bull. It's his job to write these to sell stuff. We're already there. Has been there for a very long time.
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angel,

i'd say that mind control isn't the right term. u made me think of hypnosis lol.

i'd say.. the power to shape perception should be the 4 things u stated above. yesss those shaped people's perception, good thinking xD
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QUOTE(annariana @ Oct 9 2010, 04:41 PM)
angel,

i'd say that mind control isn't the right term. u made me think of hypnosis lol.

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hypnosis is the medical term

mind control is layman term like me tongue.gif

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i'd say.. the power to shape perception should be the 4 things u stated above. yesss those shaped people's perception, good thinking xD


the weapon for this pys warfare is infact the box that you and I are starring right now.. be it PC or TV
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angel,

and books too. i find what i read shapes my thinking somehow.
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I find it impressive to obtain this knowledge... I start to play little in my business marketing plan... tongue.gif
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ok u hypnose people using branding~ i see i see
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QUOTE(annariana @ Oct 9 2010, 06:22 PM)
ok u hypnose people using branding~ i see i see
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learning... andd the branded are the masters....

I mean... a bag is just a bag.. what makes people crazy about LV, Gucci, Prada?

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ahh that's something i can explain biggrin.gif

history, reputation of high quality and prestige!

well dear old louis vuitton made the first durable travelling luggage with the monogram design.. plus the favoritism from french aristocrats made his brand a $$$. thus the historical value saying that french aristocrats loved it, made the price jack higher. and now its a classic.

its not even a leather bag. the most favorite design people normally chose are those from the monogram CANVAS line LOL.

people doesnt seem to notice LV got leather bags tho sleep.gif they are more smitten towards the boring canvas line.

my customers who bought louis vuitton, bought it for the prestige. and where did prestige came from? history. and where does the good history came from? support of aristocracy. statements from upperclassmen are indeed advertising. hahaha.

well angel, what made me curious is that how normal brands who doesnt have history made it into the luxury line. such as donna karan.

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QUOTE(annariana @ Oct 9 2010, 05:42 PM)
ahh that's something i can explain biggrin.gif

history, reputation of high quality and prestige!

well dear old louis vuitton made the first durable travelling luggage with the monogram design.. plus the favoritism from french aristocrats made his brand a $$$. thus the historical value saying that french aristocrats loved it, made the price jack higher. and now its a classic.

its not even a leather bag. the most favorite design people normally chose are those from the monogram CANVAS line LOL.

people doesnt seem to notice LV got leather bags tho sleep.gif they are more smitten towards the boring canvas line.

my customers who bought louis vuitton, bought it for the prestige. and where did prestige came from? history. and where does the good history came from? support of aristocracy. statements from upperclassmen are indeed advertising. hahaha.
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to be fair a LV bag is more costly to make than say a 100 buck purse. LV is made in EU with high union laws and payment requirements, they source their designers from top schools and leather from spain which again has high union laws and payments.

to compare this with a 100 buck wallet

a 100 buck wallet is normally made in china/nam'/thailand, under lax regulations and low income benefits. the leather probably sourced from cowhides in china which also runs under the same line, designers are normally copypasta.

while the quality is debatable, where it is made is a good question on why it is costly. sure prestige adds up to it, but peopl etend to mistake an LV wallet being = in cost to make as a china made wallet.

this can be said of any luxury good

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QUOTE(annariana @ Oct 9 2010, 06:42 PM)

well angel, what made me curious is that how normal brands who doesnt have history made it into the luxury line. such as donna karan.
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POP culture...


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to be fair a LV bag is more costly to make than say a 100 buck purse. LV is made in EU with high union laws and payment requirements, they source their designers from top schools and leather from spain which again has high union laws and payments.

to compare this with a 100 buck wallet

a 100 buck wallet is normally made in china/nam'/thailand, under lax regulations and low income benefits. the leather probably sourced from cowhides in china which also runs under the same line, designers are normally copypasta.

while the quality is debatable, where it is made is a good question on why it is costly. sure prestige adds up to it, but peopl etend to mistake an LV wallet being = in cost to make as a china made wallet.

this can be said of any luxury good
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My former lecturer whom worked in branded bag factory as factory manager said the opposite

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 9 2010, 05:57 PM)
POP culture...


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My former lecturer whom worked in branded bag factory as factory manager said the opposite
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thats odd, care to clarify.

by my understandings of sort most eu countries do have high union laws and so on with higher pay. but again, which branded factory i might question. in kl, china? or eu?

i do know however the process of certain items that get a "brand" at the end of the flow
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QUOTE(zeitgeist @ Oct 9 2010, 02:16 PM)
u still dont get it, if everybody else agreed with u that "business is business, due you'll get "the edge" in return"

what do you think will happen when everybody else also need to 'cheat' at each other? for eg: both of us is selling apple, of course u and i need to cheat at customer saying urs is better than mine, this is oppressing situation
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oppress

tr.v., -pressed, -press·ing, -press·es.

1. To keep down by severe and unjust use of force or authority: a people who were oppressed by tyranny.
2. To weigh heavily on: Poverty oppresses the spirit.
3. Obsolete. To overwhelm or crush.

oppressing situation? somehow i don't see it in the analogy. and as i posted earlier, there's negative effects of conveying false information
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 9 2010, 07:28 PM)
thats odd, care to clarify.

by my understandings of sort most eu countries do have high union laws and so on with higher pay. but again, which branded factory i might question. in kl, china? or eu?

i do know however the process of certain items that get a "brand" at the end of the flow
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What my lecturer meant was that... the cost... disrespect with the culture/brand.....

say china man LV quality is about 100USD, while made in EU is about 2-300USD(factor in currency and labour cost). the cost wont differ like 10-20 times.... In addition, the cost incurred is from sourcing an ambassador whom usually are super famous(Jackson, britney etc) inorder to get the prodcut get noticed and fit in the projected market.

Plus, nowadays many people are doing OEM with china company. whereby they preordered parts from china and simply assemble it in msia. Why? more prestige when you told people that you have another factory in china, low cost and save sales tax


Added on October 9, 2010, 8:04 pmP/S during my previous jobs as marketing engineer, branding is just a spice and add on to a product.

That product must dependents on which industry as well...

e.g fashion, no one care what tensile strength a LV bag vs china bag can with stand. as long as the leather came from cows originated from the west rather than china(even though they are the same species). in a nutshell, anything from the west if high class....

while tech, F&B, health etc does not revolve the same rule as above...


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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 9 2010, 07:33 PM)
oppress

tr.v., -pressed, -press·ing, -press·es.

  1. To keep down by severe and unjust use of force or authority: a people who were oppressed by tyranny.
  2. To weigh heavily on: Poverty oppresses the spirit.
  3. Obsolete. To overwhelm or crush.

oppressing situation? somehow i don't see it in the analogy. and as i posted earlier, there's negative effects of conveying false information
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 9 2010, 07:58 PM)
What my lecturer meant was that... the cost... disrespect with the culture/brand.....

say china man LV quality is about 100USD, while made in EU is about 2-300USD(factor in currency and labour cost). the cost wont differ like 10-20 times.... In addition, the cost incurred is from sourcing an ambassador whom usually are super famous(Jackson, britney etc) inorder to get the prodcut get noticed and fit in the projected market.

Plus, nowadays many people are doing OEM with china company. whereby they preordered parts from china and simply assemble it in msia. Why? more prestige when you told people that you have another factory in china, low cost and save sales tax


Added on October 9, 2010, 8:04 pmP/S during my previous jobs as marketing engineer, branding is just a spice and add on to a product.

That product must dependents on which industry as well...

e.g fashion, no one care what tensile strength a LV bag vs china bag can with stand. as long as the leather came from cows originated from the west rather than china(even though they are the same species). in a nutshell, anything from the west if high class....

while tech, F&B, health etc does not revolve the same rule as above...
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well you mean in general or specific, i do agree on the endorsement of famous stars tho those takes up millions of bucks. there is a significant point to branding and marketin i dont deny that but when i compare of labour cost it was for LV only.

in sense a branded item of other brands might be diff, armani exchange is made in cuba i think so the business model is diff. LV also though my knowledge doesnt OEM to china.

but this depends on what product and company, for example

sennheiser maker of top grade heaphones OEM's their lower models to china. from the CXseries to IE series are made in china. the reference models are made in germany first then ireland as it phases out.

i do know RL does something like you said tho, as in they brand the t's differently at the end of the production line. but i dont know which line is this.


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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 9 2010, 09:46 PM)

in sense a branded item of other brands might be diff, armani exchange is made in cuba i think so the business model is diff. LV also though my knowledge doesnt OEM to china.


example example....

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but this depends on what product and company, for example

sennheiser maker of top grade heaphones OEM's their lower models to china. from the CXseries to IE series are made in china. the reference models are made in germany first then ireland as it phases out.

i do know RL does something like you said tho, as in they brand the t's differently at the end of the production line. but i dont know which line is this.
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Ok... lets leave hypnosis in marketing and move on to next area....

1) politics(ideology)
2) religion
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No matter whether you realise the utter control that the government and media has over its people, you cannot avoid or escape it.

Plenty of people are aware, and yet we are all subject to it. In more liberal countries we see freedom in expression, and tolerance. Otherwise, life isn't some novel where certain individuals are able to break off from controlled society.


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Liberalism is not a lack of control from the government compared to other ideologies.
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QUOTE(dkk @ Oct 10 2010, 07:05 AM)
Liberalism is not a lack of control from the government compared to other ideologies.
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+ 1.. like the states... no matter how free their country is, they arestill within the box of their ideology....

the question is not what, but how
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QUOTE(dkk @ Oct 10 2010, 06:05 AM)
Liberalism is not a lack of control from the government compared to other ideologies.
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i think u r generalizing, without mention the specific things need to be change and if the change able to bring better future and freedom, u r not really backing up your statement.

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Dictatorship of the poletariat is acheived by winning the hearts of the masses. Once that is done propaganda is a breeze.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Oct 11 2010, 11:19 AM)
Dictatorship of the poletariat is acheived by winning the hearts of the masses. Once that is done propaganda is a breeze.
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I think the US are winning the war of pys warfare...

All around the world, we are more UStenized rather than modernised
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Is being Americanised good or bad? It all depand on the the world power at that time. Prior to tha people were "Britianised" and before that the Ducth and Potoguise.

As I see it, the next world power is either China or India. Then there is a new waves of brian washing to gear up for the new lifestyle.
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i agree with u....mind is all over matter.....Even to be a true warrior, one need to be brave, once u fear, u lose already.....n fear is actually a product of what we think
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Fear is good. So long as it is not incapacitating.
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Luke, fear, anger, agression .... the dark side. I get the feeling this is beinging to sound like some Jedi trainning.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 8 2010, 10:35 PM)
It's the power of perception.

We value ourselves as individual, we don't want to be seen as just the worker ant in an ant colony. We look for something to set us apart, to put us on a higher level. To show to people 'Hey, I'm better than you' or 'I'm more special than you'.

Brands play on this. I perceive having an LV bag elevates my status and sets me apart from the commoners, so I buy one. Hey look, an iPhone...now I'm cool and teech savvy. It's all about perception and marketing is the art of manipulating this perception.
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That's just a 'marketing strategy', in my opinion. What you own or achieve materially does not concern me as an individual. An LV bag is just an LV bag, an iPhone is just an iPhone. They are just 'names' that are waiting to have you labelled, to suck your hard-earn cash dry because they do not come cheap at all. I don't perceive that somebody who has a Chanel bag swinging on her pretty shoulder to be better than me.
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There types of parasite that can control other animal behavior, i remember there's 1 type of worm that infect snail and totally control the snail to climb to the most top of bush branches, so it can easily seen and eaten by bird, so the birds can spread the parasite else where via it's feces,.. i dunno what it call already...


anyway i found below on parasite that can control the host mind:

Body-Snatching Barnacles and Zombie Crabs

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Written by Alan Bellows on 27 September 2005

BarnacleThere is no small number of unsettling parasites crawling, flying, and swimming about the Earth, the lucky ones hitching rides on hapless host organisms. And while many parasites are harmless, or even beneficial in their way, others can wreak havoc with their hosts’ existence. The worst of these offenders can actually force their host to do their will.

A tiny barnacle called Sacculina is one such parasite. Upon finding a host crab, a female Sacculina will crawl over the crab’s surface until she finds a chink in the armor: a joint. She then ejects her protective shell, reducing herself to a gelatinous blob, and invades.

Inside the host, the parasite grows long, root-like tendrils throughout the crab’s body, eventually emerging as a bump on the its underside. During this process she renders the crab infertile, and creates a small opening in the crab’s back that will allow a male Sacculina to make residence there. Soon the crab is filled with millions of Sacculina eggs and larvae, and like a zombie, the crab cares for these eggs and larvae as though they were its own, losing all interest in mating. When a male crab is infected, the parasite alters its physiology and behavior to be female, to better care for the Sacculina’s young.

The parasite basically rewires the crab for its own ends, and the crab becomes a helpless vehicle, expending its energy caring for the young organisms that will move on to inflict themselves upon other crabs.

Article on the University of Hong Kong website

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post Oct 14 2010, 04:17 AM

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The cuckoo also gets others to cares for it's young, but doesn't do any rewiring. Merely exploiting the inability of the victim to tell its own offspring from that of the cuckoo's.
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Try to read more at http://www.livescience.com/health/050317_b..._interface.html

A person moving mouse cursor on a computer screen is an insignificant accomplishment. Heck, even a monkey can do it.

But if the person is a quadriplegic controlling the cursor with nothing but brainwaves, now that would be interesting. And it's been done.

Brain-computer interface systems, although still in developmental and experimental stages, are becoming increasingly more powerful and applicable. Advancements in neural signaling research make it one of the hottest fields in biomedical engineering.

Earlier this year, researchers indeed trained four people suffering epilepsy to move a computer cursor with the power of thought. The patients, who were waiting to have brain surgery, were already fitted with small sheets of signal-detecting electrodes on the surfaces of their brains.

The patients were asked to perform certain tasks - such as opening and closing their hands and sticking out their tongue - while scientists determined what brain signals were associated with these movements.

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Next, the signals from these movements were matched up with movements of the cursor on the screen. For example, the thought of opening of the right hand might move the cursor to the right. The subjects were then asked to move the cursor from one spot to another on the screen by thinking about making the movements.

The patients had some difficulty at first, but each was able to control the cursor with their thoughts and with over 70 percent accuracy after a few minutes. One patient was operating at 100 percent accuracy by the end of the trial.

"All our subjects were able to control the computer cursor using imagined representations of motor movements," said Daniel Moran of Washington University.

This study was the first to prove that sensors placed on the surface of the brain are preferable to the standard forms of sensors - either embedded deep in the brain tissue or worn as a cap. They are less intrusive than an embedded variety and potentially more stable and powerful than the cap, which receives weak brain signals that have passed through the skull.

The BrainGate

Only a handful of clinical studies include quadriplegics as participants. One at Brown University and Cyberkinetics Neurotechnology Systems, Inc., is working to develop a system called BrainGate.

In this-one patient pilot study, a sensor is implanted on the surface of the primary motor cortex, the area of the brain responsible for movement. The sensor, smaller than a penny, has hair-thin electrode probes that penetrate about a millimeter into the brain and are designed to pick up electrical impulses from the motor neurons.

About twice a week the participant performs cursor-moving tasks with his thoughts that are meant to demonstrate proof of principle of the technology and to evaluate the quality, type, and usefulness of neural output control that patients can achieve.

BrainGate offers several advantages over other systems, its creators say.

"First, BrainGate provides an interface with a computer that works immediately, without weeks or months of training," John Donoghue, director of Brown's Brain Science Program and a co-founder of Cyberkinetics Neurotechnology Systems Inc., told LiveScience. "Secondly, a user can operate the device without requiring great concentration.

Cursor control is "about as natural as using one's own arm," Donoghue said. The patient can, for example, carry on a conversation while moving the cursor.

"And, thirdly, because BrainGate connects directly to the part of the brain that ordinarily controls hand movement and gestures, it provides significantly more utility than devices that rely on 'substitutes' for the brain's own arm movement signal, such as eye movements. Using eye movements, for example, to control a computer prevents one from looking elsewhere during use -- something that is very unnatural and cumbersome."

The goal of Donoghue's study and its follow-ups is to develop a safe, effective, and unobtrusive universal system for physically disabled people to control a wide array of devices, such as computers and wheelchairs, with their thoughts.

"Moving a wheelchair with BrainGate is beyond the scope of this study," said Donoghue. "Although, our first trial participant has used his thoughts to control a TV and move a robotic hand and arm."

Monkey see, monkey do

Since it can difficult to get government permission to run human clinical trial of this kind, the bulk of the research for brain/machine interfaces has been done with monkeys.

In 2003, researchers at Duke University taught rhesus monkeys to consciously control the movement of a real time robotic arm using only feedback from a video screen and their thoughts. The monkeys appeared to operate the robotic arm as if it were their own limb.

A team led by neurobiologist Miguel Nicolelis implanted a tiny array of brain-signal-detecting microelectrodes in the monkey's brain. They trained the monkey with a joystick that moved a cursor on a screen, and, once the monkey had mastered that task, the robotic limb was added to the feedback loop. After a few days, the monkey realized the connection between moving the cursor and moving the arm.

Once that connection was established, the researchers removed the joystick. The monkey slowly figured out that it could still move the cursor and robotic arm by moving its own arm. After a few days without the joystick, the monkey realized that it could move the robotic arm without moving its own.

It had mastered a neuroprosthetic limb.

"[The monkey's] arm muscles went completely quiet, she kept the arm at her side and she controlled the robot arm using only her brain and visual feedback," said Nicolelis. "Our analyses of the brain signals showed that the animal learned to assimilate the robot arm into her brain as if it was her own arm."

The brain circuitry had actively reorganized itself to incorporate an external device.

"Actually, we see this every day, when we use any tool, from a pencil to a car," said Nicolelis. "As we learn to use that tool, we incorporate the properties of that tool into our brain, which makes us proficient in using it."

Andrew Schwartz, a neurobiologist at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, has taken the progress made at Duke to another level. Schwartz has trained monkeys to feed themselves pieces of fruit using just their brainwaves and a robotic arm.

Unlike the experiment at Duke, where the robotic arm wasn't in close proximity to the monkey, Schwartz has restrained the monkey's arm and placed the robotic limb as close to the monkey as possible.

The robotic arm moves like a normal arm - it has fully mobile shoulder and elbow joints. The "hand" is a simple gripper that allows the monkey to grab its food.

"The robotic limb takes the desired hand position as input and has on-board hardware that controls the torque motors to move the limb to the desired decoded position, Moran explained. "This is really no different than sending a desired cursor position to a computer."

Schwartz has recently made improvements to the computer algorithms that will make it easier for the monkeys to learn to operate the robotic arm. The improvements will also help Schwartz and his team to develop brain devices with smoother, more responsive, and precise movements.

Looking to the future

Commercial application of brain-computer interface systems is still years away, and developers have set the bar high.

Moran would like to return movement to the body, saying his "overall research goal is to transmit cortical signals over a break in a spinal cord." He would also like to see the development of better neuroprosthetic limbs.

Donoghue has similar goals for the near-term usage of the BrainGate. In addition to developing a smaller, wireless device for the patient to wear, he is demonstrating that human brain waves could be used to control neuroprosthetic limbs.

"The ultimate goal of the neuromotor prosthesis is to use physical systems - smart sensors and implantable electronics - to restore a considerable degree of function to paralyzed limbs," Donoghue said. A neural sensing system with adequate processing of signals could potentially drive muscles through implanted stimulators."


"[For the] long term, we want to develop a system that allows humans with paralysis to move their limbs in a way that they can carry out useful movements and lead independent lives. And we want to develop a new class of neurotechnologies that can diagnose and treat disease and restore lost functions in humans," said Donoghue. "These are ambitious goals, but we believe they are realizable."

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 9 2010, 08:46 PM)
well you mean in general or specific, i do agree on the endorsement of famous stars tho those takes up millions of bucks. there is a significant point to branding and marketin i dont deny that but when i compare of labour cost it was for LV only.

in sense a branded item of other brands might be diff, armani exchange is made in cuba i think so the business model is diff. LV also though my knowledge doesnt OEM to china.

but this depends on what product and company, for example

sennheiser maker of top grade heaphones OEM's their lower models to china. from the CXseries to IE series are made in china. the reference models are made in germany first then ireland as it phases out.

i do know RL does something like you said tho, as in they brand the t's differently at the end of the production line. but i dont know which line is this.
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bags dont have those oem whatever thingy u said.

braun buffel is a brand i admire, of the not-so-high price for a leather bag made in germany.

LV is made of canvas. designs like speedys, neverfulls and tivolis are there for ages and ages.. no designer cost wink.gif but the bag is only canvas. the price is 8-10 times the price of a braun buffel.

isn't that a result of branding?
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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Oct 13 2010, 09:50 AM)
i agree with u....mind is all over matter.....Even to be a true warrior, one need to be brave, once u fear, u lose already.....n fear is actually a product of what we think
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Friend... let me share a personal experience of mine...

I visited this place(P&C) laa... a rich tycoon`s mansion... there`s this gigantic oil painting of scenary... i accidentally bump into it and caused it to fall from its hanging place. i was like.. Ohh Sh1t... it it breaks, I will have to pay 100k for it...

Then suddenly, time stops, my body feels like a tonne... as real as it can gets... I cant stand up.. my legs were numb, my body is too heavy for my leg to support....


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QUOTE(randyhow @ Oct 13 2010, 06:13 PM)
There types of parasite that can control other animal behavior, i remember there's 1 type of worm that infect snail and totally control the snail to climb to the most top of bush branches, so it can easily seen and eaten by bird, so the birds can spread the parasite else where via it's feces,.. i dunno what it call already...
anyway i found below on parasite that can control the host mind:

Body-Snatching Barnacles and Zombie Crabs

user posted image

Written by Alan Bellows on 27 September 2005

BarnacleThere is no small number of unsettling parasites crawling, flying, and swimming about the Earth, the lucky ones hitching rides on hapless host organisms. And while many parasites are harmless, or even beneficial in their way, others can wreak havoc with their hosts’ existence. The worst of these offenders can actually force their host to do their will.

A tiny barnacle called Sacculina is one such parasite. Upon finding a host crab, a female Sacculina will crawl over the crab’s surface until she finds a chink in the armor: a joint. She then ejects her protective shell, reducing herself to a gelatinous blob, and invades.

Inside the host, the parasite grows long, root-like tendrils throughout the crab’s body, eventually emerging as a bump on the its underside. During this process she renders the crab infertile, and creates a small opening in the crab’s back that will allow a male Sacculina to make residence there. Soon the crab is filled with millions of Sacculina eggs and larvae, and like a zombie, the crab cares for these eggs and larvae as though they were its own, losing all interest in mating. When a male crab is infected, the parasite alters its physiology and behavior to be female, to better care for the Sacculina’s young.

The parasite basically rewires the crab for its own ends, and the crab becomes a helpless vehicle, expending its energy caring for the young organisms that will move on to inflict themselves upon other crabs.

Article on the University of Hong Kong website

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 16 2010, 05:50 PM)
Friend... let me share a personal experience of mine...

I visited this place(P&C) laa... a rich tycoon`s mansion... there`s this gigantic oil painting of scenary... i accidentally bump into it and caused it to fall from its hanging place. i was like.. Ohh Sh1t... it it breaks, I will have to pay 100k for it...

Then suddenly, time stops, my body feels like a tonne... as real as it can gets... I cant stand up.. my legs were numb, my body is too heavy for my leg to support....


Added on October 16, 2010, 5:54 pm

Politicians might consider to popularise this as food... so that all people eat
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Actually politicians are like that lol smile.gif

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What if you could help people to create positive and lasting change in them, as well as feelings of faith, hope and love? ...
And, what if you could hurt people to induce amnesia, fear, insecurity and doubt in destructive habit control?
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Perhaps, the closest thing to manipulating Mind Control ability is the use of Linguistic Patterns, which are the spoken phrases that can act as triggers to some people who hear them. Simply put, these language patterns persuade covertly and control how they respond and cause them to be influenced to do things without their knowing.

In connection with the type of Mind Control that used in many ads and sales copywriting is the Embedded Commands. Although learning embedded commands is not difficult, but applying them requires some practice. And gratefully, only a few dedicate enough time to learn to utilize or listen for embedded commands.

Embedded Commands are indirect suggestions that are hidden within sentences. When used effectively with a subtle shift in voice tonality or non-verbal cue, the listener easily feel this click and the command delivers suggestion to show the unconscious mind without the conscious mind being aware of it, and the listening person will unconsciously follow the spoiler of commands.

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Sometime it is so true that most of the people will change their eyes on you when you are driving bigger car. Er. I'm not one of them owning/driving it. smile.gif but for sure if we think we have stable financial status, earning extra , we will change our mindset too.

 

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