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post Oct 9 2010, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(annariana @ Oct 9 2010, 04:41 PM)
angel,

i'd say that mind control isn't the right term. u made me think of hypnosis lol.

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hypnosis is the medical term

mind control is layman term like me tongue.gif

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i'd say.. the power to shape perception should be the 4 things u stated above. yesss those shaped people's perception, good thinking xD


the weapon for this pys warfare is infact the box that you and I are starring right now.. be it PC or TV
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post Oct 9 2010, 04:34 PM

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angel,

and books too. i find what i read shapes my thinking somehow.
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post Oct 9 2010, 05:02 PM

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I find it impressive to obtain this knowledge... I start to play little in my business marketing plan... tongue.gif
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post Oct 9 2010, 05:22 PM

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ok u hypnose people using branding~ i see i see
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post Oct 9 2010, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(annariana @ Oct 9 2010, 06:22 PM)
ok u hypnose people using branding~ i see i see
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learning... andd the branded are the masters....

I mean... a bag is just a bag.. what makes people crazy about LV, Gucci, Prada?

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post Oct 9 2010, 05:42 PM

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ahh that's something i can explain biggrin.gif

history, reputation of high quality and prestige!

well dear old louis vuitton made the first durable travelling luggage with the monogram design.. plus the favoritism from french aristocrats made his brand a $$$. thus the historical value saying that french aristocrats loved it, made the price jack higher. and now its a classic.

its not even a leather bag. the most favorite design people normally chose are those from the monogram CANVAS line LOL.

people doesnt seem to notice LV got leather bags tho sleep.gif they are more smitten towards the boring canvas line.

my customers who bought louis vuitton, bought it for the prestige. and where did prestige came from? history. and where does the good history came from? support of aristocracy. statements from upperclassmen are indeed advertising. hahaha.

well angel, what made me curious is that how normal brands who doesnt have history made it into the luxury line. such as donna karan.

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QUOTE(annariana @ Oct 9 2010, 05:42 PM)
ahh that's something i can explain biggrin.gif

history, reputation of high quality and prestige!

well dear old louis vuitton made the first durable travelling luggage with the monogram design.. plus the favoritism from french aristocrats made his brand a $$$. thus the historical value saying that french aristocrats loved it, made the price jack higher. and now its a classic.

its not even a leather bag. the most favorite design people normally chose are those from the monogram CANVAS line LOL.

people doesnt seem to notice LV got leather bags tho sleep.gif they are more smitten towards the boring canvas line.

my customers who bought louis vuitton, bought it for the prestige. and where did prestige came from? history. and where does the good history came from? support of aristocracy. statements from upperclassmen are indeed advertising. hahaha.
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to be fair a LV bag is more costly to make than say a 100 buck purse. LV is made in EU with high union laws and payment requirements, they source their designers from top schools and leather from spain which again has high union laws and payments.

to compare this with a 100 buck wallet

a 100 buck wallet is normally made in china/nam'/thailand, under lax regulations and low income benefits. the leather probably sourced from cowhides in china which also runs under the same line, designers are normally copypasta.

while the quality is debatable, where it is made is a good question on why it is costly. sure prestige adds up to it, but peopl etend to mistake an LV wallet being = in cost to make as a china made wallet.

this can be said of any luxury good

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QUOTE(annariana @ Oct 9 2010, 06:42 PM)

well angel, what made me curious is that how normal brands who doesnt have history made it into the luxury line. such as donna karan.
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POP culture...


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to be fair a LV bag is more costly to make than say a 100 buck purse. LV is made in EU with high union laws and payment requirements, they source their designers from top schools and leather from spain which again has high union laws and payments.

to compare this with a 100 buck wallet

a 100 buck wallet is normally made in china/nam'/thailand, under lax regulations and low income benefits. the leather probably sourced from cowhides in china which also runs under the same line, designers are normally copypasta.

while the quality is debatable, where it is made is a good question on why it is costly. sure prestige adds up to it, but peopl etend to mistake an LV wallet being = in cost to make as a china made wallet.

this can be said of any luxury good
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My former lecturer whom worked in branded bag factory as factory manager said the opposite

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 9 2010, 05:57 PM)
POP culture...


Added on October 9, 2010, 5:58 pm
My former lecturer whom worked in branded bag factory as factory manager said the opposite
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thats odd, care to clarify.

by my understandings of sort most eu countries do have high union laws and so on with higher pay. but again, which branded factory i might question. in kl, china? or eu?

i do know however the process of certain items that get a "brand" at the end of the flow
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QUOTE(zeitgeist @ Oct 9 2010, 02:16 PM)
u still dont get it, if everybody else agreed with u that "business is business, due you'll get "the edge" in return"

what do you think will happen when everybody else also need to 'cheat' at each other? for eg: both of us is selling apple, of course u and i need to cheat at customer saying urs is better than mine, this is oppressing situation
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oppress

tr.v., -pressed, -press·ing, -press·es.

1. To keep down by severe and unjust use of force or authority: a people who were oppressed by tyranny.
2. To weigh heavily on: Poverty oppresses the spirit.
3. Obsolete. To overwhelm or crush.

oppressing situation? somehow i don't see it in the analogy. and as i posted earlier, there's negative effects of conveying false information
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 9 2010, 07:28 PM)
thats odd, care to clarify.

by my understandings of sort most eu countries do have high union laws and so on with higher pay. but again, which branded factory i might question. in kl, china? or eu?

i do know however the process of certain items that get a "brand" at the end of the flow
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What my lecturer meant was that... the cost... disrespect with the culture/brand.....

say china man LV quality is about 100USD, while made in EU is about 2-300USD(factor in currency and labour cost). the cost wont differ like 10-20 times.... In addition, the cost incurred is from sourcing an ambassador whom usually are super famous(Jackson, britney etc) inorder to get the prodcut get noticed and fit in the projected market.

Plus, nowadays many people are doing OEM with china company. whereby they preordered parts from china and simply assemble it in msia. Why? more prestige when you told people that you have another factory in china, low cost and save sales tax


Added on October 9, 2010, 8:04 pmP/S during my previous jobs as marketing engineer, branding is just a spice and add on to a product.

That product must dependents on which industry as well...

e.g fashion, no one care what tensile strength a LV bag vs china bag can with stand. as long as the leather came from cows originated from the west rather than china(even though they are the same species). in a nutshell, anything from the west if high class....

while tech, F&B, health etc does not revolve the same rule as above...


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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 9 2010, 07:33 PM)
oppress

tr.v., -pressed, -press·ing, -press·es.

  1. To keep down by severe and unjust use of force or authority: a people who were oppressed by tyranny.
  2. To weigh heavily on: Poverty oppresses the spirit.
  3. Obsolete. To overwhelm or crush.

oppressing situation? somehow i don't see it in the analogy. and as i posted earlier, there's negative effects of conveying false information
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post Oct 9 2010, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 9 2010, 07:58 PM)
What my lecturer meant was that... the cost... disrespect with the culture/brand.....

say china man LV quality is about 100USD, while made in EU is about 2-300USD(factor in currency and labour cost). the cost wont differ like 10-20 times.... In addition, the cost incurred is from sourcing an ambassador whom usually are super famous(Jackson, britney etc) inorder to get the prodcut get noticed and fit in the projected market.

Plus, nowadays many people are doing OEM with china company. whereby they preordered parts from china and simply assemble it in msia. Why? more prestige when you told people that you have another factory in china, low cost and save sales tax


Added on October 9, 2010, 8:04 pmP/S during my previous jobs as marketing engineer, branding is just a spice and add on to a product.

That product must dependents on which industry as well...

e.g fashion, no one care what tensile strength a LV bag vs china bag can with stand. as long as the leather came from cows originated from the west rather than china(even though they are the same species). in a nutshell, anything from the west if high class....

while tech, F&B, health etc does not revolve the same rule as above...
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well you mean in general or specific, i do agree on the endorsement of famous stars tho those takes up millions of bucks. there is a significant point to branding and marketin i dont deny that but when i compare of labour cost it was for LV only.

in sense a branded item of other brands might be diff, armani exchange is made in cuba i think so the business model is diff. LV also though my knowledge doesnt OEM to china.

but this depends on what product and company, for example

sennheiser maker of top grade heaphones OEM's their lower models to china. from the CXseries to IE series are made in china. the reference models are made in germany first then ireland as it phases out.

i do know RL does something like you said tho, as in they brand the t's differently at the end of the production line. but i dont know which line is this.


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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 9 2010, 09:46 PM)

in sense a branded item of other brands might be diff, armani exchange is made in cuba i think so the business model is diff. LV also though my knowledge doesnt OEM to china.


example example....

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but this depends on what product and company, for example

sennheiser maker of top grade heaphones OEM's their lower models to china. from the CXseries to IE series are made in china. the reference models are made in germany first then ireland as it phases out.

i do know RL does something like you said tho, as in they brand the t's differently at the end of the production line. but i dont know which line is this.
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Ok... lets leave hypnosis in marketing and move on to next area....

1) politics(ideology)
2) religion
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No matter whether you realise the utter control that the government and media has over its people, you cannot avoid or escape it.

Plenty of people are aware, and yet we are all subject to it. In more liberal countries we see freedom in expression, and tolerance. Otherwise, life isn't some novel where certain individuals are able to break off from controlled society.


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Liberalism is not a lack of control from the government compared to other ideologies.
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Liberalism is not a lack of control from the government compared to other ideologies.
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+ 1.. like the states... no matter how free their country is, they arestill within the box of their ideology....

the question is not what, but how
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QUOTE(dkk @ Oct 10 2010, 06:05 AM)
Liberalism is not a lack of control from the government compared to other ideologies.
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i think u r generalizing, without mention the specific things need to be change and if the change able to bring better future and freedom, u r not really backing up your statement.

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Dictatorship of the poletariat is acheived by winning the hearts of the masses. Once that is done propaganda is a breeze.

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