Hey guys.. have you ever skipped lets say from gold league to diamond league? i was playing last nite and i suddenly found myself in diamond skipping plat.. i thought we need to go through plat first to climb up the ladder.. @@

tat means u pawn alot favored or slightly favored players. i got difficulties to climb up diamond league that time.

yeah.. i usually play with my friends.. its quite suffering to climb up the ladder.. since 1 month ago.. climbing from gold to plat.. its taking a very long time.. not to say climbing from plat to diamond.. >_<

leagues are NOT ladder and therefore it is no surprise to skip leaguges. you may get promoted from bronze to diamond if you're good, but you did horrible (intentional or not) in the placements. and likewise, if you did damn well in placement, earned plat, but played so damn horribly, you may get demoted all the way down bronze the same way as well.

you may also refer here (in the future, please use forum search function): http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1523097

holy damn a diamond..u must be good

Getting diamond is like getting a black belt in taekwondo, which means absolutely nothing until you start getting into 1k-1.4k range.

how i wish my losses would promote me to diamond...

u mean 1-1.4k points range?

Like LY members like RotiJohn and Scrubie, they probably played against 1.5k diamond players or better ones. These are the diamond players that know a lot about the game.

yeah, some of the high points player very good, but there are also alot low point and 70% winning rate crazy players

http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/12284...45#current-rank

http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/10551...51#current-rank

i see both are SEA Diamond league, but the 100 list of players are different. how does the DIVISION work?

im not sure if you realized this, but the point itself stays when you transfer league and with that said, a person can be 2k points in bronze, and if he suddenly gets promoted to diamond, he would still retain that 2k points. the only thing changed is the league rankings, and league itself. and said person would also be appropriately placed in an old league where majority of players are having similar points to have the rankings reflected properly instead of a new league and instantly gets rank 1.

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Added on October 4, 2010, 4:52 pmhigher points just means said player plays a lot with decent to good WLR

like wise a player can have same point but less games by just having higher WLR (lose less, win more per say. and in diamond league it actually matters unlike bronze almost 50point gain and almost 0 point losses)

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Added on October 4, 2010, 4:55 pmthink of bnet has MULTIPLE ladders with 100 player capacity. the reason for this is that EVERYONE gets a sense of progression since they are ONLY competing with people amongst their own division/league.

imagine if the ladder is say, 1k player and bnet ONLY has 1k player. you can GRIND for weeks and so forth, and you may NEVER progress in your standings because some other guy just either grinds more, or he played earlier than you are. now, imagine a player that just started half a year later. he will NEVER EVER climb in the ladders until blizz does a seasonal reset like they did on sc1/War3/diablo2 etc etc.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 4 2010, 04:55 PM

true about this, my fren got into rank 2 diamond when he was promoted LOL...
when i was promoted, i got into rank 40+ back then...

points dun actually matters imho (especially wit the lol-bonus pool mechanic)...
if u see blizz's ranking of the top 200, some players only had 50+ wins, 20+ losses and are ranked top200 (or even top100) according to blizz...
i doubt they can be over 1.4k points with their low number of wins (even when they beat good opponents)...
its mostly all about the MMRs over points...

thanks quaz.

looks like losing streak isn't that bad.

http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/11653...ldfries/matches

i lost 5 games in a row against favored players. but just 1 victory and from rank 41 bronze suddenly go rank 80 of silver - yay! not clever enough to skip league only. hehe.

and from what i see - yes, points are retained. thus my 182 points entitles me only Rank #80.

nowadays got a lot noob diamond wandering around... some of them have 50~60 apm with bad macro management... diamond is nothing if it dont shine

This post has been edited by Nandeska: Oct 4 2010, 07:33 PM

u are very lucky few games and going silver, i climbed very slowly.
i wish got a diamond friends that can regularly play a custom with me, thats the best way to improve, fast.

p/s and from gold to diamond mean u are very good. u deserve it.

hmm, i up from silver #1 to gold #3. but didnt get into plat. chii so disappointed....
then took 1 month to go platinum, after killing 4 plats and 1 diamond in a row. still can't go diamond !!!!

at my stage now mostly get 1.4k to 1.8k player. some high point player quite noob haha.

This post has been edited by ROTiJOHN: Oct 4 2010, 10:21 PM

thats what ive been saying, and ive seen a LOT of them on SEA more so than US rofl

US i can still get an avg of 50-80 apm bad diamonds. SEA? vista lasik ady got 2x 40-50 apm diamond ady, nuff said lol

i think it depends really..
bcos frm gold to plat to diamond took me like a week + only
i think around 50-60 games..
bt then is true the fact that if u win against opponents who are favoured ur get + 16 to + 28 points
bt then once u reahc diamond
is v hard 2 stay there
when im favoured wiv another player, suddenly they cheese us
wah lao eh lose 28 points straight
rank 1 drop straight to rank 9 !

Points , rank , leagues ? Doesn't matter. Your skills is the most important.

Many ppl may cheese all the way to Diamond, but once there, prepare to suffer the wrath and as well as get demoted

This post has been edited by AndyNoobie: Oct 5 2010, 06:34 AM

i never expected to be promoted also. looking at my skills, i think i'm really far behind when it comes to strategy.

i have a friend who plays custom with me BUT he hasn't done his placement!

I think APM is important but sometimes its not always the deciding factor on who wins the game... they might have low APM but at least they know what they are doing.. anwyays.. havent seen the vista lasik replays yet.. they're on youtube rite?

the silver one.. i think i could have gotten gold with 5 games if i didn't lose one match... lost cause i didn't scan his base earlier to see a nidus cannal in his base..

anhyways.. thanks.. when i saw that diamond sign came out.. i was stunned a while... i think i'm a so so player only.. i play alot but less 1v1.. more 2v2 and 4v4.. thats why i have diamonds for these 2..

theres a replay pack download on the thread.

and of course apm isnt the be all end all, however if you're say, diamond, you should have at least a certain level of apm as its a way of showing how much action you do at a given time.

ps: the bads i mentioned, almost or definitely 90+% of them play terran. goes to show how OP race is wwwwwww

uh... gonna download the replay when i get back home..

My average apm is around 80+ - 100.. sometimes it goes below that.. depending on how serious i take the game.. but when i start to macro up.. it jumps to 200+..

i guess terran is really robust compared to the rest.. but still.. it still comes down to who is playing it.. i'm a terran player myself.. guess i just like being human.. XD

My APM is just below 40. Being old and fingers are stiff. That's how the cookie crumbles. =s

press T and everything melts...
heck even on desert strike MMG-balls are ghey >.<

as the pros mentioned it, MMM is like the 4 gate of toss which every average terran can pull it off to get to diamond

desert strike old version: banelings x scourge

desert strike newest version: WTF IS THAT ABBREVIATION SHIT WHAT THE f*** SLIME FAT THINGY.

the fatty is awesome k >.<

how to get to diamond easily:
- toss: 4 gate the hell out of everything... if he tech? u win
- terran: MM timing push or MMM
- zerg: 6 pool -> baneling if ur lings didnt kill him LOL (if ur opponent is a toss, its almsot a 80% win)

yeah speak frankly, i did cheese to diamond, but afterthat i suffer alot, and i learned and improved my skill there.

i skipped the 50 training games after finishing story mode..

lose 4 out of the 5 placement games...

placed into a bronze..

my first 5 bronze games is 3 lost 2 win..

demoralized for being so noobs...

stopped playing league.. then play 200++ custom games for 2 weeks straight...

then play 3 bronze games.. all win and got to Gold straight.. hahaha...

played about 20-30 games in gold about 80% win ratio then got into plat..

now in plat.. stress man... so geng... starting to see 60% win rate only.. i think i'm at the right league now finally.. hehehe..

win 3 games after 5 placement games can go to gold???

not surprising. i just bronze out a while. +2 win, then +2 win. then 5 losses in a row. then +1 win = go into Silver already.

what more exshige case where he won straight 3 in a row. it's all good.

there was 2 times i won 3 times in a row... but still in Bronze

leh, i won 4 times in a row but still bronze also mah. even if i won 5 also may not reach there. they have their ways of deciding on where you're worthy to be placed.

I won 7 streak still same league, but it's the case coz most of the opponent were not really worthy =(

i think the internal system not only track your win or lose.. they track other metrics that measure your skill.. maybe they track your final winning score and apm..

so if u win by a minor win or a close call game.. u are actually at the ideal league... winning 20 games here also means is expected difficulty for you.. if they promote u after only 5 win due to luck.. then u just gonna be sad losing at the next lvl..

but if u win by a big margin as u in devasted your oponent every games.. after a few games the system sense it and let you jump league.. so that you won't continue demoralizing other lower league player hahaha..

so we stay at this league and if we dont improve.. we forever here...

This post has been edited by exshige: Oct 5 2010, 05:53 PM

put it simple, if you don't get promote yet mean you're still not good enough lor.

as long as we play and learn and have fun, it's all good.

thats what i stand by too as during beta, i was promoted to diamond by losing. LOL (with screenshot to prove too!)

People are realistic, cause I saw in TL forum, when you comment on people's build, the first word they would ask, which league and how many points you own.. If you said you are plat or gold, or lower diamond they would ask you go play more before commenting

It's not just in game. It's just how the world runs anyway. I'm sure everyone has their own starting point. Just learn to respect each other.

Like Rotijohn, I too was not ready for the Diamond league as well, got bashed up badly, even by Gold players at times. I'm sure they would have saved up the reply and said how pathetic I was. It just takes practice and lots of games to improve. Bit by bit, slowly but surely getting there.

I think the most important lesson to be a consistent player is not how fast, or what kinda tricks you do to beat your opponent, but rather having your basics strong. Like what day[9] always stresses on, build a pylon, build a probe, build a pylon, build a probe and do not get supply blocked throughout the entire game. Once your basics are solid, then you can go for the more funky stuff.

you know, the very basics of beating your opponent, is using EVERYTHING you can do no matter what it is (so long it is legit, not hacks and what not) to take down your adversaries. doesn't matter not on your supply never being block, or your steady same 9 py 12 gate builds. if you're good at cannon rushing, and that wins you games, why the hell not?

Of course you can do whatever you want to win, but have to think further ahead in the game rather than trying to achieve an all in attack. Let's say you're doing a cannon rush, you focus in beating your opponent and forgetting your own economy and if it fails, is there a backup plan? All this little things take into account when playing in the higher leagues coz' it's not that easy to do cannon rushes later on.

i still do it in diamond leagues time to time. the good thing about cannon rushes especially in team game is that, while the biggest flaw is your base being opened for counters, having an ally generally nullifies that, and cannons are easy to contain people while yourself, or your ally expands. and having a surplus of minerals (chrono are 100% to probes lol) and gas means you can suddenly surprise people with high tech units like void rays when they are too focused on getting counters to your cannons (siege tank/marauders/bunker x spine crawler/roaches/trausfusing or creeping queens x stalker [played well, void rays dont have much problems dealing with small amount of stalkers especially backed by a wall of cannons]/immortals etc.)

hell, look at GSL, people even do bunker rushes, cannon rushes in such a HIGH LEVEL tournament that involved a total prize pot of 170k USD. the entire point being that, while basics are good and all, you still need that fast thinking to adapt to situations and decent apm to win games/advance in leagues, and ALL THAT, comes with experience/practice or in a nutshell, simply playing more.

well i agree with both of u...
it's true that as long as u win the match, it doesn't matter what strat u use to win it...canon rush, bunker rush or 6pool etc etc.
but ur basics have to be strong also in order to proceed further...

else if ur opponent know u only know how to canon rush, then basically the game is over...

aLertz - signature too long.

btw cheese or not, those things need skills to execute also. even if don't wipe out opponent also can at least hamper progress, which is a legitimate move in combat.

'nuclear launch detected'

sorry for the OT

yest i play 3 games with Filthy, 2nd ranking from the top 200 ranking in SEA. being pawn very hard by him, his micro, map control, scout are very precise. got no chance to fight back, but i did do alot of mistakes also. there is still a big gap between the real gosu

This post has been edited by ROTiJOHN: Oct 6 2010, 03:20 PM

as the chinese saying goes...'there will alwiz be a higher hill''

geez...me stuck at plat..

That is why like how I put it earlier, be it rushes or no rush, cheese or no cheese, you have to have a certain level of consistency in your game. Going cannon rushes is all good, but you do have to a backup plan. Majority aims to cheese with the intention to winning the game quick but what happens if it fails? Do you have a backup plan to fall unto? Maybe we're talking in 2 different perspectives, because you're referring to mainly team games, and I'm more towards 1v1. In team games, you have a partner to fall back to if something happens but in 1v1, it's either the game falls favor towards your opponent or you. The risk is higher.

And I do agree that in GSL, even the match between Tester (sSKS) and HopeTorture (?intotherain), had plenty of rushes. But the fact that even if it fails, you can see that there's a backup plan later on, which I feel every player should have but hard to achieve if we only focus on cheesing and rushes, and without strengthening the basics. Both are equally as important and shouldn't be neglected.

the same can be applied to 1v1 btw. if you contained ur opponent, you control his economy and the momentum of the battle. so long you dont have any openings for a run by (especially zerg speedlings/zealots/reapers) you pretty much got the game in the bag. worse come to worse, so long you're confident on the containment, you can get 2-3 cannons at your mineral line to play it safe, then pull up void rays and the like to finish it for good.

if you've seen my profile, i do play 1v1 and while its just plat and just barely under 100 games played, i am fairly confident in my skill level against diamonds in SEA probably thanks to vista lasik.

and no, i have not mentioned anything about negligence. i am pointing out that theres "many ways to skin a rabbit" so long it gets the job done, thats it. no need to specifically emphasis on basics, cheese, rush, macro and what not. a good balance is to have everything mastered or at least, effort being put into, and just play more/gain experience. like an example to cheesing: if you're damn good at cheesing, most likelyhood you will be good at defending cheese too due to the familiarity of its timings, cheese positions on various maps, and so forth. same goes to rushing, macroing, fast expanding, etc etc.

well this is a RTS game thus it revolves around ur strategy...
ur strategy must be solid (regardless cheese or not) with sound transition...
and above all, u need to have the foundation and skill for u to carry out that strategy...

in the end, sc2 is a games which revolves around many area which one person can be good at while the gosu ones would be good in everything...

Woo, I LIKE THIS !

This post has been edited by Instinct: Oct 6 2010, 11:09 PM

I get a lot of crap for the ppl tht i play with, because i am using MMM drop and pressing T a lot(every 10sec)

p.s I won 4 of my placement match but got ranked at silver.

WOW, so TERROR !!!

back to league placings. i won 5 games of league placement in NA, got instant plat. so nice. SEA placement was hell, started out from bronze, gold in SEA when i got plat in NA.

You do realize that you're already experienced in US when you're most likely not when you started SEA? The global ranking pages speaks for itself so I rest my case if you still want to continue harping the same shit thread after thread lol

the TERROR has spoken, sorry dear sir. i know chii is wrong, will u forgive this pathetic plat player ?

I just finish my 4 losing streak.. 1 Diamond, 2 Plati and 1 gold player..

tidak

now chii has saddings