And aspire is everyone's SIFU, yayyy~~~


Depends what you're looking for;
N8 for its camera, video recording and gaming capabilities.
Also, if you're concern of phone functionality (3G Video call, Assign Ringtone to contacts/groups, etc), N8 will work better.

N900 lack in terms of commercial games altough it does have some different type of game that no smartphone have since the N900 is more like a mobile computer. For apps, widgets, etc. N900 will have a lot of useful and nice ones; Maemo was the first to have Full Flash support, first to have Firefox? There's even Google Chrome port from Linux (Chromium) while the Android by Google doesn't even have it.
If talk about flexibility, customization, "powerful" apps, etc. N900 excels. Just look at FCam, it can turn N900 camera to something else, look at other "powerful" apps for N900, codecs and media players, there's the ever powerful mplayer which was for Desktop, now we can watch many types of media files including rmvb... and we also have "powerful" and "advance" widgets, see Queen Beacon widget...
For normal users, all the above may not matter or is not their concern because it's not what they're looking for or actually care; When you say all this, they may just say "Oh...."; but for those who appreciates, will be amazed and excited to know the supports/flexibility/etc.

So, what are you really looking for? N8 is a great if camera and video recording is your top priority, the phone function is also reliable and very good (while other smartphones still not as good). And finally, is gaming on mobile/smartphone very important to you?

Wah,.. seem you very the understand aspire wo
You got two something? Hehe, you already fetch him with your RX8 is it?

It got clicking sound; there might be a problem;

But it can also be there is not enough power. Do you connect via USB? Sometimes they provide 2 USB connector to PC to get more power, some have external power source.

Try a few time; If you managed to get it spinning and access to it, quickly backup those files.
I've experience this before last time, manage to get it run sometimes.

Good Luck

SIFU mar, we must learn from this grandmaster.

Or maybe he wanna use to threaten ShurgsLova to fetch him in his RX8
Just kiddin~

Nice gun knife by the way
Anymore picture(s) of it?

Nice, but if look like gun, more dangerous.

Anymore photo(s) of it?
Interesting~

Insider Nokia Ranger event:

Switch simcard just now, not able to post and the wifi also slow...

Yup
Just reach home...

I was there earlier, went to Nokia Shop at Gardens to try the demo set first and already have good impression over previous S^1. Can say big improvement over S^1.

I haven't really been using Symbian^1 for long time already, my last phone was N81, which I change to N900 around January this year. I have played with N97 Mini a few times, so from N97 Mini, N8 can consider quite a big improvement in terms of smoothness and performance.
That was just the short demo experience in Nokia Shop.

When I'm testing it during the Ranger Program, I tried multi-tasking while the music playing in background, even run OVI Maps. Surprisingly, throughout the whole process, the music playback isn't affected at all. For N900, I've experience some playback problems while multi-tasking.
But then, I think for N8, the multi-tasking is not true multi-tasking like N900? I think only certain core apps/process have true multi-task? Not sure, have to test out further...

There're actually many nice features on the N8, like the social network integration, online widgets update, etc. It was demo-ed by the Product Manager, Glen; Wanted to record it down but feel shy and not sure allowed or not
And the introduction and explanation on the Nokia Ranger program by Thomas from Nokia Singapore was funny, they took snapshots of lowyat.net forums, the Nokia Rangers poster (created by someone from Power Rangers The Movie?), LoL! Epic! and I also saw aspire2oo6 profile was part of the screen capture; Not sure aspire is there or not? Didn't see him?

Btw, NFS Shift and Angry Bird are.... FREE!!!! Yes.... FREE!!!!!

What I don't like on the N8 is mainly the Mono Speaker.... you can tell the difference just by hearing on the playback; Although one can plug in headset, but sometimes some people do play music or movies or watch YouTube, etc. without headset/earphone or external speaker (e.g. You want to show your friend a video...)...

What I hope it have:
1. Physical keyboard
2. RAM... RAM... More RAM... (although so far haven't experience problems; but it might be different after I fully customize the homescreen, etc....)

No time to test all of it; Have many things to do... busy busy busy...

Previously there is a selection of some members in lowyat.net forum; Those who selected were asked if they would like to become a Nokia Ranger.
From what I know from the event just now, they're looking for people who knows about their product, active and helping out people around the forums, etc. Mainly those thread starter is selected; Just now the presentation have screen capture of the N8 Thread Main Page, and also screen capture of those famous Thread Starter, like aspire2oo6
They give big on the Main Page as they said it's done well, informative, etc. I think those TS definitely deserve credits for their hardwork all these years.

Btw, in N8 thread, Leo says he suspect the ranger guy taking pictures with DSLR is aspire2oo6 because he also carries N900. Only aspire2oo6 can confirm this

We were also informed that they're looking forward to expand this program; As for the FREE N8, I believe maybe only for this special kick-off event. Future events not sure if those rangers will still get free phones; The main objective is to follow like other business, where they monitor forums (e.g. car manufacturer) and try to help some of the members with proper contacts and information so these people can help to help the community. Rangers will have chance to attend pre-launch events, hands-on, etc. So, I think better don't put expectation for free device for every event, probably hands-on session or 1~2 week test. I was only also expecting to get to test the device for 1~2 weeks at first.

It was really nice of Nokia to approach the Customers, listen to the Customers, etc. Finally, for presenting those selected rangers the N8.

I did asked about MeeGo, but apparently there is no information yet; And the N8 doesn't have full Flash support (no Flash 10 yet) and no confirm information whether will have, but most likely.
I guess most of these information still depends on the higher ups in Nokia, probably in Nokia Europe.

Oh, the N8 camera capture is fast! Not like N900... snap... black screen... processing image.... LoL!
For camera lovers, N8 is a great choice.
When I have 6600, the camera only 0.3mp, later upgrade to N81 with 2MP cam but no autofocus......
That time still thinks, don't really need good camera for phone, got Digital Cam can already...
When upgrade N900, I start to appreciate more because seldom bring digital cam around, and even sometimes got carry, it's more convenient and fast to use the phone camera. I started to appreciate camera more on smartphones but N900 camera isn't so good, but luckily..... we have FCam... altough it's slow and can 'hang' quite often but at least can take good quality pictures.
So, those who appreciate good camera or good quality pictures and fast capture, can check out N8.
Oh oh, I also tested snapping pictures while multi-tasking with many applications open, including the OVI Maps; Still smooth.... on N900, we will experience lagging already; Amazing... I guess the OS is optimized well....
If only Nokia refine Maemo further.... How I wish MeeGo did not come into picture now...

He posted nice shots using N8 on flickr

Basically Queen Beacon widget is a very powerful, flexible and customizable widget; Or you can think of a creating a button on the desktop, when click the button it will do something. That is a simple button, for Queen Beacon, you can do a lot of things, like customize the size, font, background and also add commands, scripts, etc.

Ma Fan & Complicated, yes, because it's powerful and allow very flexible customization;
If you don't want complicated, you can use the normal widget/button to do the job.


Yea, totally, I keep confuse too and wonder, why is this guy asking question and then answering to himself. After check the nickname, oh, different person. Sometimes confused who is who also.

Promote a bit, coming very soon, estimate below RM75K
Available for viewing in showroom, launching in first week November.

Picture made possible via HDRCapture:

MSN (Haze) always give me network error problem; MSN (Pecan) working fine so far?
There is different version in the repo, extras-testing and extras-devel.

lower voltage, you might experience problem if you try to take longer video or watch video using mplayer as the player; Depending on your OC and voltage and your processor, it may work well up to a certain point; If anything goes wrong, it will restart and you might hear a very soft sound "TUNG" or something like that.

Master Alien, you're not speaking correctly

Should be "Rejects the title, Master Alien is"
Or "The title, master Alien rejects"

I don't think so too; Anyway, I think some of the GODLIKE members there is "not happy" that N900 is praise or people praising how great N900 is.
The truth is, N900 is not great, it's the OS, Maemo; And technically, Maemo is an Internet Table, it's more powerful and a class above those smartphone OS already, it's flexibility, customization level, what it can do; For technical people, they should understand the difference, just like Eiraku and Jananan used to mentioned; Those GODLIKE users doesn't seems to know much or get the point or maybe they're "not happy" and see any N900 users, they just bring out their gun and blast.

Honestly, when I first go in N8 thread (after invited for Ranger Program), I posted something about Qt, just sharing information, tiba tiba kena tembak like nobody business. I was like w-t-f? I just share explain what is Qt and what it can/suppose to do, didn't say that it's the best, I didn't say it will change the world, etc. That thread really give me big surprise, total different situation in N900 forum, at least all the members here are nice, we share our disappointments as well as our joy on the N900, share information, disucssion, etc. I mean, that's the purpose of joining the forum right? To join the community, learn about the device, discuss, etc.
But in N8 thread, hard... must know who and who and talk properly; and those people don't know you, straight away judge you and blast their gun without aiming, and too much spamming.

Just can say, Maemo OS is great, but it doesn't suit everyone; It has it's category of users, just like buying cars, you have people who like Sedan cars, people who prefer hatchbacks, people who prefer MPV, etc.
Maemo is different from other smartphones; I don't find MeeGo able to replace Maemo? First thing I see missing is the Desktop concept, which is one of the main strengths of Maemo OS being an Internet Tablet OS.
Well, let's wait for MeeGo and see how it goes; From those demos, it still feels very Android-ish to me.

N900 is actually an Internet Tablet; If you know about Tablet PC, it runs Windows and it's basically a Laptop with touchscreen.
N900 is like a Tablet Computer at the size of a handphone/palm, running on Linux.
Technically speaking, the OS is above those smartphone level; It's very open and powerful. That's why you can see many "desktop" class applications can be ported easily to Maemo, even "desktop" class games.
Maemo have "DESKTOP" instead of homescreen; The "DESKTOP" is very similar to PC Windows Desktop, very flexible and customizable unlike "homescreen".
You also see Google Chrome for Linux port (Chromium), when Android by Google also don't have.
There is "mplayer", which is desktop class powerful player; there is extra codecs, subtitles support, with all this, can play many types of files including RMVB.
There is app manager, unlike those "store", and there is FAPMan.
There is very good social network integration, which is also customizable/extensible by adding plugins for other services; Even Nokia Product Manager himself praises this when we talk about it.
There is FULL version Java, unlike smartphone class, only J2ME; can run Java Applets.
For programmer, they can install NetBeans.
There is just so many to list.

All above, means nothing for user who just want a "normal" smartphone which is provides good phone functionality and easy to use, can play games, etc.
Talk about phone functionality, for smartphone, I'd say Symbian is one of the best available, it supports most if not all phone functions, like 3G Video call, Contacts Grouping, Ringtone assignment to contacts or Groups, SMS to Groups, Storing SMS in folders, etc.
Any other smartphone OS have better phone functionality than Symbian? iOS clearly doesn't.

As I said, it's like a mini laptop; So, imagine people carry 1 smartphone and 1 laptop.
Now, I can carry my N8 as smartphone and N900 to replace my laptop.
N900 have great social network integration, the best multi-tasking and web browsing experience (even Nokia Product manager also agrees on this when we talk about it). Plus the qwerty keyboard, it's excellent.
I have never use my PC/Laptop MSN anymore ever since I got my N900; Many of my friends chatting with me, didn't know I was using N900 to chat with them, through Facebook Chat or MSN. They're surprise when I told them because with qwerty keyboard we can type very very fast and can browse easily, copy links, send links, post pictures/videos to Facebook/YouTube, etc.

Lastly, I don't have any grudge against any smartphone OS; If I have, it will only be iOS due to it's restriction which really makes me frustrated. For me, I believe each OS and device have it's target users, or user which prefers them. Just like people who like Sedan cars, or people who like Hatchbacks, or MPV, etc. Sedan lovers will argue their point, Hatchback lovers will also argue their point;
Just stick to your choice, winning an argument won't make the device more powerful. I'm only disappointed and concern of those people who buy something just because people say it's good; Like N900, it's a great device, but if people don't know what's so great and just buy it because people say it's good and later they don't like it, they will complain and say it s*cks.

Leo,

Yea, I remember you
We discussed about Milestone too last time before you get it, then your change to Milestone but still visit N900 thread.
Later met you in N8 thread, you tell me you're using SGS already.

For the N8 thread issue; I've leave it behind; All I can say is, many politic there and people don't even know who is who, straight tembak and claim someone is fanboy or pro-Nokia, or start calling names or make wild claims. But my purpose is not to find enemy, I also don't want to make enemy or find trouble; What's the point keeping hatred and not happy with people right? If meet in real life, then will have awkward feeling; For me, I just try to stay away, or if I said anything wrong or don't understand anything, I don't mind asking and learning, although in N8 thread, you will kena kao kao first. That's why many members there don't dare to ask or try not to show they don't know anything to prevent kena tembak, which in my honest opinion, is not good because they have created an environment where people don't dare to learn, etc. But, anyway, each person has their own opinion and way of doing things right. I'm just sharing my opinion and views.
What I think is, the thread is dedicated to N8, people join to share information, discuss, know more about N8, post problems ask for help, etc. But there, I'm not sure how... but it's also due to the amount of users, so it will also move quite fast and hard to keep track; Luckily got TS like you and few others who keep update the Main Page. That's why I think these TS really deserve their appreciation from Nokia.

N900 has its pros and cons; You've been here long ago you also know we also complain about it's cons but also praise it's cons. We also tells people that this phone may not suit everyone, make sure they know what they're getting. So, I believe you know us more than those people.

Cheers

I asked about MeeGo device; No information.
I also asked about Flash 10 for N8; Future updates?
In Adobe website, it was stated clearly Flash 10 will be available for Symbian, MeeGo, even Windows Mobile.
But it never mention which Symbian version, will S^1 get it too?

I personally thinks, not much information can be obtain as many still depends on Nokia HQ? Like MeeGo, Flash 10, etc.
I also thought of asking about the low RAM on N8 and the mono speaker decision on N8; but I think this answer might be hard as it most probably decided from the designer or through their research, etc and maybe they think it's adequate.

What we can do, I think, is to provide feedback as Ranger.
Hardwares for smartphone can't or almost impossible to be upgraded, so it's important to provide at least a decent spec.

David asked me about my impression on the N900, I said, lack of RAM; He suggested there should be ways for consumers to upgrade chips on their device, like RAM; hehehe.
Nice if we can have dedicated graphics that is upgradeable
I remember last time Alienware come up with the first laptop with upgradeable dedicated graphic card, it was shown on Tech TV - Call for Help (I think) on Astro (if anyone still remembers the show).

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Added on October 20, 2010, 1:10 amThanks GrandMaster SHIFU, SIFU for all the SIFU in N900 thread

Wonder if N8 can turn off the other 2 desktop; If leave one desktop running and remove all widgets, should have improvements. Done that once on my N900, only 1 Desktop and simple widget, it flies and do things more easily, but problem is when I turn back on the other desktop later, it's empty, I have to organize again.



This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 20 2010, 01:10 AM

It's hard if got not friendly people or find trouble; Read that thread, you keep find "issue" like politic room; haha.
Hard to read through also, I wanna find people reply my post also susah, but can't blame also, too many users; thinking positively, which is actually good news for N8 and Nokia.

Maybe they meant Maemo6 aka Harmattan, rebranded as the 1st MeeGo device from Nokia?

I miss my N8... hand itchy wanna snap photos with N8, the shutter sound nice, it's also smooth and fast.

Have you guys tried playing music, then snap photo? There is nice FADE OUT then FADE IN of the music
And it's done smoothly so far for me... arggghhh, miss it more now....