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gark
post Jul 5 2013, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jul 5 2013, 12:08 PM)
A quick question. We all know it's best to spread our investment to obtain passive income.

How many % should be allocate between FD:UT:Stock (100% in total) to generate a comfortable level of passive income. We all know MOST people opt for their UT distributions to be reinvested which means there are no passive income technically, unlike stocks which gives dividends and FD giving interest.

Do enlighten me here.
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The percentage is depending on your risk tolerance. The more risk you can take without emotionally troubled then you can invest in higher portion of your money in higher risk elements.

Basically the best advice is ... sell down your risky instruments and convert to FD until you can have a good night's sleep without thinking of your investment. Then you know you are at the right risk tolerance.
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post Jul 5 2013, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jul 5 2013, 12:28 PM)
Yes, bro gark. I understand the risk tolerance element.

But referring to my earlier post, even if you fall under the higher risk tolerance (UT) bracket, most people opt for their UT distributions to be reinvested. This will not generate passive income. I'm not talking about passive income for 40-60 years old people. I'm referring to 25-40 to the very least. I believe passive income should start young if possible. In order to generate passive income from your UT investment, the person will have to cash out their distributions. For 25-40 years old, I personally feel they should opt for redistribution. So UT does not generate passive income, which means we're only left with stock and FD.

Not sure if you understand where I'm coming from, but you only answered partial of my question.

I'm holding stocks, FD and UT. But my UT holds around 40% of my total portfolio (FD + UT + stocks), and they are not generating me passive income. Only my stocks and FD. Hence, the question.
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You got it all wrong about passive income.

There are two stages for investment, accumulation and distribution.

During the accumulation, you are to take the passive income and capital gains to be reinvested FULLY for it to compound. Compound interest as Einstein said it is the 8th wonder of the world. This means all passive income and other gains from selling should be used as opportunity fund to purchase more investment to raise your total accumulated wealth. These passive income is not for spending otherwise you will not be able to compound your gains. Typically during this period depending on your investment horizon you would be in more risky investments. Typical ratio will be 50% to 80% stocks/UT, the rest in fixed income.

During the distribution, you are to convert your accumulated wealth generated during the accumulation stage and convert to yield investments, where you will be now time to enjoy your hard work and draw down your investments as cost of living. At these time your passive income will be most useful to you to spend and not for accumulate more wealth. Typically at these time you would want to be invested in safer securities with lower fluctuations. Typical ratio will be 0%-30% stocks/UT and majority in fixed income.

For most people, once the accumulation stage enable them to go to the distribution stage, they they can finally retire and stop working and enjoy their passive income. This is what we call financial freedom. Of course all of it depends on the risk profile as I have mentioned above.

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post Jul 5 2013, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 5 2013, 03:07 PM)
When u invest and receive dividend from stocks, u should REINVEST your dividends, not spend it. That's unker gark's point. wink.gif

Of course 1 dividend is not sufficient to buy, u can always accumulate the dividends in a bond fund/MM fund, then when it's large enough, buy stock.
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Ya this is correct. always reinvest your dividend, interest etc...during accumulation stage. rclxms.gif Let it snowball....... flex.gif

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post Jul 5 2013, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jul 5 2013, 03:19 PM)
So back to my initial question, passive income stage comes after your retirement? Accumulate stage is during your working life?
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Distribution or enjoying your passive income comes after you have achieve financial freedom. Financial freedom means, you are free to do whatever you want in life and not worry about money as it will come automatically...
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post Jul 9 2013, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 7 2013, 08:07 PM)
Hi experts,

Just wanna ask opinions.. I have the following :-
1. Personal Loan debt around RM13k @ 13% pa
2. Credit Card debt around RM11k @ 15% pa **
3. Balance Conversion debt around RM7k @ 12.9% pa **

To overcome this debt, I've setup a special fund. At the moment I've RM9K (monthly savings of RM1k) and plan to settle my Personal Loan which I pay around RM550 monthly.

Once I settle this loan, I can save up to RM1.5k monthly and plan to settle item 2 and item 3 within year 2014.

My vehicle is being paid off recently and RM550 of it goes to my ASB savings which accumulate to RM14k to date. I plan not to touch this money as this is my savings and investment.

My other debt is my house which I believe is good debt since the price now is around RM400k from RM151k. RM100k to go.

Your suggestion and advice in this matters is highly appreciated.

Thank you.

**under same bank.
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Get rid of debt before you think of savings. You save in ASB you get 8% dividend, yet you are paying much more interest rate. Is it worth it?

1. With your 9k, first settle your credit card debt (item 2). This is the highest interest so it make sense to do so 1st.
2. If possible withdraw your ASB to settle the rest of your CC debt (item 2) and balance conversion debt (item 3).
3. With your remaining monthly extra money settle item 2 & 3 until complete.
4. Then tackle the PL debt. The reason is not to pay off the PL, is because the interest is already calculated upfront, so settling it will not result in interest savings.
5. Once all debt are cleared, you may resume putting back money in ASB.

This post has been edited by gark: Jul 9 2013, 11:58 AM

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