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post Sep 20 2010, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 20 2010, 03:28 PM)
Actually, under what situation did you encounter them?

I did tried out an experiment. When sending a file which is much bigger than the phone memory via bluetooth, it will encounter error. I think this problem is worst on 7610 where the phone memory is around 10MB++.

The ROM was meant only for phone operation storage to store stuffs like SMSes, MMSes, Contact List instead of being for Application.
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When installing an application wink.gif

So I really think it's Symbian problem, not the hardware. :\
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 20 2010, 02:26 PM)
What makes out of memory is the little space of phone memory. Hence, huge space = won't be a problem. The speed depend on the RAM and how many application is open. If application is design like auto launcher after booting, alot of RAM will be used thus make the phone terribly lag. Also, it depend on the OS whether the OS is smart enough to maintain the speed by controlling the running app like freezing it on the background.
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Thanks so what i wanna understand why is there nand ram? like N97 it have 256mb ram and N97mini have 512mb ram it heard it makes a different how does this play a role in the memory allocation
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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 20 2010, 02:24 PM)
it's funny how the device memory distribute, just wonder why they not just treat the 16Gb as phone memory...  rclxub.gif

512Mb ROM => Z:
256Mb RAM => no need to show lah (sakit hati saja when keep seeing it getting low)
16Gb => C: since it's already internally connected....  doh.gif
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To reduce the seek time when performing phone related operation, perhaps?
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 20 2010, 02:30 PM)
When installing an application  wink.gif

So I really think it's Symbian problem, not the hardware. :\
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Yea like the Screen Resolution 360 x 640 for symbian ? is it true it cant go higher? due to OS limitation?
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 20 2010, 03:30 PM)
Thanks so what i wanna understand why is there nand ram? like N97 it have 256mb ram and N97mini have 512mb ram it heard it makes a different how does this play a role in the memory allocation
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Like some people here discussed, NAND is flash memory, so I think it really about speed of memory allocation. I think la, dunno if it's right or wrong. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 20 2010, 02:31 PM)
To reduce the seek time when performing phone related operation, perhaps?
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so if install in phone memory should it reduce seek time? What if install in internal memory? What's the different seek time between phone memory and internal memory?

If we understand this it will help improve reduce lagginess while multi tasking right sifu?

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 20 2010, 03:32 PM)
Yea like the Screen Resolution 360 x 640 for symbian ? is it true it cant go higher? due to OS limitation?
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This one, I really don't know. So no comment bout it. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 20 2010, 02:33 PM)
so if install in phone memory should it reduce seek time? What if install in internal memory? What's the different seek time between phone memory and internal memory?

If we understand this it will help improve lagginess right sifu?
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the C: is hardwired but the 16Gb is through interface... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 20 2010, 03:33 PM)
so if install in phone memory should it reduce seek time? What if install in internal memory? What's the different seek time between phone memory and internal memory?

If we understand this it will help improve reduce lagginess while multi tasking right sifu?
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Erm... RAM has a big roll in it and so the memory. About the seek time, I really don't know but think it doesn't show any BIG difference anyway.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 20 2010, 02:30 PM)
When installing an application  wink.gif

So I really think it's Symbian problem, not the hardware. :\
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Well, depends.

Lets just say that your phone memory left 10MB for example. When you try to install SIS, it will still have to extract those file and then copy them to the installation destination. Now if Symbian extract those files into the ROM before copying them to the Internal Storage, and if it happened to exceed the phone memory (for example 10MB as we speak now), yeah, it would give you a out of memory error.

Similar to the bluetooth file sending error that I tried out.
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 20 2010, 03:36 PM)
Well, depends.

Lets just say that your phone memory left 10MB for example. When you try to install SIS, it will still have to extract those file and then copy them to the installation destination. Now if Symbian extract those files into the ROM before copying them to the Internal Storage, and if it happened to exceed the phone memory (for example 10MB as we speak now), yeah, it would give you a out of memory error.

Similar to the bluetooth file sending error that I tried out.
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But for most, I think it's really Symbian problem for not being so smart tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 20 2010, 02:35 PM)
Erm... RAM has a big roll in it and so the memory. About the seek time, I really don't know but think it doesn't show any BIG difference anyway.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 20 2010, 02:37 PM)
But for most, I think it's really Symbian problem for not being so smart  tongue.gif
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Well, thats why Nokia already have A2SD long long ago.. user problem perhaps? Cos I dont think Nokia gives any training or explanation on how to use it properly.

Rather than being stuck on ROM only on Eclair...
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Since sifu so geng its best we listen what sifu have to share with us isnt that why u all come together here. We have alot to learn from you we look forward for your guidance and knowledge to expand and understand the world of technology. There so many OS in the market and to understand all this isnt easy. So as a sifu we hope someday we become as good as you so we can share with others

We still waiting your answer on the seek thing. Its a very interested topic care to ellaborate more? It might help us understand better how symbian works? so if someone else bring this question with your guidance we can provide a more accurate answer.

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From every Nokia phone I used, the most problem is N97. Seems A2SD didn't really worked on N97, so it's Symbian problem.
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BBXiong:
Sorry, I think I may have confused myself. I remember now, there is a different message called "Memory full. Please delete some data and try again".
But somehow it also relate to some error when I tried to run Garmin when my Phone Memory is low, maybe the RAM is also low that time, I'm not sure. Haven't used a Symbian for quite long time already.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 20 2010, 03:41 PM)
Since sifu so geng its best we listen what sifu have to share with us isnt that why u all come together here. We have alot to learn from you we look forward for your guidance and knowledge to expand and understand the world of technology.

We still waiting your answer on the seek thing. Its a very interested topic care to ellaborate more? It might help us understand better how symbian works?
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I think the seek "thing" doesn't show any huge differences here. Take example like your HDD, you can partitioned it to C:, D:, E:. So phone memory and internal memory is like one "HDD" but separate into 2 types of partition = phone memory and internal memory C:.

Correct me if I'm wrong, just telling what I understand so far tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 20 2010, 02:41 PM)
From every Nokia phone I used, the most problem is N97. Seems A2SD didn't really worked on N97, so it's Symbian problem.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Sep 20 2010, 02:41 PM)
From every Nokia phone I used, the most problem is N97. Seems A2SD didn't really worked on N97, so it's Symbian problem.
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Huh??

So, issit your phone memory left very little when installing app that gives you the out of memory error? or just having your RAM fully occupied to perform the installation?
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 20 2010, 03:45 PM)
Huh??

So, issit your phone memory left very little when installing app that gives you the out of memory error? or just having your RAM fully occupied to perform the installation?
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Can't recall, but I think it's when installing an app.

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