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 New employer asking for my latest payslips, wondering on why ?

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Belphegor
post Dec 19 2014, 08:31 AM

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Don't see the idea of why an issue can lead to an argument.

If you are comfortable with showing your payslips, go ahead and get ready to be underpaid or only slight increase.

Only people with skills and years of vast knowledge dare to not show their salary because they know their stand.

From what I know in an executive search (slight higher, and more classier than recruitment agency), they don't ask for payslips because they know their offers are always higher than market.
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post Dec 19 2014, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Dec 19 2014, 08:50 AM)
Define slight increase. I've never had an issue showing my payslip, and have never shied away from asking for 20-40% whenever I do a jump.

Executive search do ask for your current pay, not payslips because they are not processing your payroll. They ask because every client will tell them a range of salary they can afford for that role, and the agent gets a certain % of the salary, so it is in their interest to know your pay and fight for the best.

If you are talking about C levels, they do not ask for payslips because senior management packages tend to be on contract basis and is negotiated per total compensation which can differ year on year.

The so-called offering higher than market is a total con. We currently pay slightly above market because we are based regionally so our 'market' is skewed towards the high side, but even so there are competitors around us that is willing to fight and pay for the same talent pool, thus we end up paying very similar across the board.

Consultants like Hay, Mercer, Towers and McLagan publishes salary surveys yearly that informs one of the current median market and you establish your pay position from there. When you say market, market relative to what?
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Hey there. Slight increase in my case meaning only less than 15% increment. As we all know, a "healthy" jumpship should be around 20% or at least near to that.

As for payslips, I do mean payslips you signed every month end. Yes companies do ask a copy of that instead of asking your pay, which I think is very irrelevant because you are hiring me base on my expertise, not base on my pay.

You might think in this case I talk about the big four or the famous companies around the globe. But the companies that I am talking about are relatively in progress of making their names.

EDIT: Usually those companies that are well established are the ones that are not willing to fork out to pay because they are in the market for too long, also there are demands of people wanting to join their company. So in short, they never need to put a skyrocket salary to attract caliber to join them because their "brand" already did all the convincing for them.

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post Dec 19 2014, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Dec 19 2014, 09:14 AM)
Well, shouldn't the question then be, how much of an increase will motivate you to jump? If you think you want a 30% to make the trip worthwhile, ask for that and stand your ground. If they are not willing to offer that, don't go.

I had a 30% jump going into one of the top FI's middle of last year and about 25% jump 6 months after going into my current role, again in another top FI. I don't think my case is anything out of the ordinary nor have I found that brand name mattered much especially when you are skillset and expertise that they need rather the other way around.

I'd kill to join a 'cool' company like say, Google, but if they offer me a 10% jump I'd say screw them.
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Yes that should be the question they should be asking the employee instead of our payslips. Many companies are judging people through their pay, but not their expertise and caliber or the capability of their skills.

I for one think that since you are the one who want to hire me, so you should be the one who show me your card, not me showing you my card.

Vice versa, if I apply for the job and I should be showing you my card since I am the one who wants to go into your company.

It has to reach a balance point where both show their cards based on their stand, instead of we, the employee constantly flashing our cards and get press down on our pay.
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post Dec 19 2014, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Dec 19 2014, 09:37 AM)
A variety of reasons, I wouldn't act as if it is not being used to anchor an offer to the candidate. You will find if you refuse to disclose it, it should not be an issue though it might annoy the hiring manager but otherwise, there should be no repercussions from thethe company practice point of view.

Perhaps my take is wrong, but I'd rather have my pay decision in my hands, thus I look at what I'd have to do in the new role, the skill I'm bringing to the table and hardship I face moving across company and decide on the salary I want. If they can't match it, there is no point in furthering anything.
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Perhaps that is true, and I do think I should have the pay decision in my hand as well. Exactly like what you say, I will judge through the work and skills I going to use in the new company with the salary I am getting. If is lesser, definitely I will ask for more. If they can't match, I'll just walk away. Because no point negotiating when the company are not planning to negotiate with you.

QUOTE(Starbucki @ Dec 19 2014, 09:37 AM)
There is a broader issue to this. In a scenario where a person who has been earning 20k at his peak, but due to some reason took up a job that pays 15k, will his next job benchmark him as earning 20k or 15k, assuming he is transparent about his past salaries?

Practical explanations appreciated rather than rhetorical nonsense.
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Of course his next potential employer should judge through the current pay. When you are earning 20k at peak and you moved to a job that pays lesser, you cannot expect people to judge you base on your 20k job isn't it? And when you accepted a job that pays lesser, you showed that you willing to settle for less, irregardless of the reasons you took up the job. It does not justify, even with common sense.
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post Dec 19 2014, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Dec 19 2014, 09:50 AM)
Going by your rationale, would a person who choose to take a break from the workforce would then have to start from minimum wage since he was willing to settle for zero pay?
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If he or she willing to settle for lesser, then you cannot expect people to be willing to give you your previous high pay.
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post Dec 22 2014, 09:27 AM

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For me is when they attempt to arrange an interview with you. The payslip is one of the required items besides your certs and identification card.

 

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