"Every input in agriculture is a war chemical. Every agrichemical is a war chemical." Physicist Vandana Shiva on monoculture, agricultural imperialism, and protests in Delhi conscribed to the hours of 9-5.



Excerpt of Vandana Shiva speaking about 'food and seed sovereignty' at the International Meeting on Resisting Hegemony held 2-5 August 2010 in Penang, Malaysia. The complete presentation and others from the meeting are available at the TV Multiversity channel on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/channels/tvmultiversity

How can agriculture be war chemical? If theres not agriculture, there wont be enough food for the world and famine will happen. If no agriculture, then there will be war for food.

Enough said.

Have you seen the video?

How much do you know beyond grade school homilies?

Please debate, not generalize with one liners

No I have not seen the video and speak for yourself for posting a topic and then a video and expect people to willingly watch the vid and debate about it. And post#2 has already said it, how can agricultural input be war chemicals ? If the answer is in the video , why don't you summarize it a bit so people could start from there? The thing is this could be very well your homework

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Added on September 6, 2010, 8:06 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_India

that tells me how severe the drought in India has been along with other website after a simple search, so unless the Indian government back then want to keep letting farmer suicides to happen and people to die due to famine in that period. Then maybe they could have refrained from taking the aid from those world organizations.

Saying that it is the cutting edge of imperialism society is clearly ignorant that these types of heavily conditionalized contract has been happening all over the world for a long time and India is just another country that has gotten the short end of a geographical lottery. Bringing these points up in retrospect is almost not going to do more good because if she was the prime minister or authority of the Indian people at that time, I can so see that she's just going to let her people die than allowing pesticides and "miracle seeds" to enter the country. Also I don't know why she kept refraining from using the term GM food unless I missed it somewhere.

If the US used the pesticide to kill people in the Viet war then its a war crime on their part towards the Vietnamese and has nothing to do with farmers using it to improve the lives of their crops and yield. Also if the farmers are using fertilizers than Afghans are now making bomb out of to kill US soldiers from which the they sourced the stuff in the first place then again, it is the US problem.

It is exactly the same as the when the US armed the Iraqis during their against the Iranians only to find themselves fighting against an army when they went into the Iraq war, armed by some weapons they sold to them in the 70s or around that time, can't exactly remember when.

So stop making a joke out of agricultural input being war chemicals, thats like saying the diesel that are used to move the tanks rolling around in Iraq (withdrawing tho) is a war input that people are using to fuel long haul trucks carrying food and distributing it around the country (India). ???

There you go, sorry I really don't know any more than your average grade school homilies.

This post has been edited by daccorn: Sep 6 2010, 08:06 AM

I suppose this is the answer TS wanted and not 1 liners. Still can summarize it to be 1 line. Maybe TS have a different point of view then it can be a fruitful discussion

i just watched the youtube once, maybe its all EGO and destroyed the nature, so been telling the public how chemical input alter the plants, hybrid vege, and stuff.. not really sure whats the effect, but american people is not healthy on average i believe

something related perhaps :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science...-of-plants.html

i think i just did someone's homework for him

War Chemicals aren't just suppose to kill the man on the spot. War chemical also served to degrade certain part of human body. for example, there's chemical that will affect human fertility.

if the title is agriculture now affects health or something u r right. but not war. War is something being done on purpose to inflict damage to others. how can agriculture be done to inflict damage to ppl. its more valueable than to use it as a weapon

maybe you guys should watch the video first to grasp the idea behind the title if you haven't yet

I do not have long winded facts but i just know its allot of crap. Blaming people for whatever that happen to them. Seriously, stop talking as if people are forcing you to do anything.. Instead of studying about why and how agriculture can or had become a mono agricultural type with no varieties, then supporting it with some lame warfare excuses... why not go study something else like how to stop overpopulation that causes the increase of agriculture. Or how to improve your education system or the people's life?!! And how the heck are you gona control it the birth rate! Besides, if You lower your population, then you will not need extra seeds in the first place! Also, stop sounding as if you are all holy joly, what is so different between you and other people when all you and the outsider are same, whom only speaks about expansion expansion and unlimited expansion, different only by the size of it?! Its really getting on my nerves when people always exploit such event for their own greedy benefit... It makes me feel disgusted..

This post has been edited by lilko: Sep 16 2010, 07:26 PM