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English Clubs Manchester United Street Talks, Scunthorpe 2 Man Utd 5

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calvin_yit
post Sep 21 2010, 07:15 PM

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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...=europe&cc=4716

It will be sad day when he hangs up his boot. cry.gif What a player, a true united legend.
Can't help but agree with him that strikers like himself, fowler, inzaghi (ie, stay n box, wait for balls , tap in, cross headers, rebound, scrap wtc and in the odd instances holding up the ball)are getting increasingly marginalized in the modern game.

If we look at united squad, only owen suited to play that role and that is due to his limitation. (can't dribble, can't pass more than 10 yard, poor touch, can't beat his man, lost of pace)
What more, he is eternally warming the bench and had admitted himself that after joining united, he is no longer the same player n had to adapt to come deeper to get a touch of the ball n get himself involves. But thats just not his game. Not what he does best. This made me think, are united way of playing actually limiting this aspect of forward play that players like owen n chicarito lives on?

Cue: something that is not really related with the above news/ just my feelings of watching united for pass 2 years. rclxub.gif

Are we a one-dimensional team?? Dun get me wrong, i had no problem with the way man utd plays. Heck, i get excited as hell by the errant scholesy's cross field pass to our winger and the ensuing 1 v 1 battle between winger n fullback. Our play seems to revolve a lot on the usage of width to stretch the game and create openings in the middle. (i think i heard the commentary saying this during the liverpool game too). That is evidenced by the liverpool game, our both of berba's goal bar the corner are from crosses from the wing.

While i recognize that crossing/heading are a key element of the english game, what happens if the opposition loads their penalty box and have great height in their defence to deal with such crosses ala rangers in champions league. I sat for 90 mins thru that game watching united labour to only a draw which i was convinced was so because of the poor crossing on show and because chicarito n rooney are at least half a head shorter than any of the rangers' centerback. What happened to plan B?? change of tactic? another route to goal perhaps? (fergie answered all the above with the genius tactical change of owen, who is at least 1 1/2 head shorter than the CB.


(Note: what i fell fergie reasoning are with that one: wayne n chic..whats his name are not doing very good against the bloody gers giant with them crosses, i might as well give them some leverage, owen + chich.....argHHHHH ffs........combined should be able tall enuf to battle one of the CB, i might as well let rooney piss off the other two CB, he is just getting match fitness minutes anyway) thumbup.gif

I would like to be clear that this is not a delayed post to express my frustration for the rangers draw, just a point i am making that i think most of the people who watches man utd week in n week out will agree. Let's face it, if we start a match with with chicharito or owen against blackburn or bolton, do we fancy our chances in an aerial battle between our forward and the CB?? (samba OMFG). or would we prefer to lump one up/ try a through pass n see chicarito go?? (excluded owen, no pace aledi). Even fergie admits that united is not using him the right way. What i am getting is, are our team really that bad at adapting to utilize the ability of player like chicarito/owen. I can clearly remember two times in the match against liverpool that rooney had a clear gap through the middle when he can play a throughpass through the middle where he elects to instead pass the ball out wide right (#1. where berba sold a dummy to carragher n left him for dead n had a quick one two with rooney in the first half onie for rooney to pass it to nani who is storming into the penalty box and proceed to waste the chance. #2....wait, forgot aledi.... tongue.gif , anyway u know what i mean he like to pass it wide right when he is just outside the penalty box). My point is, if we swap berba with owen, and if i were owen, i would be pissed off if rooney did not pass me that ball n instead pass it off to nani to cross it so i can battle the ball in the air with carragher. My point on this is, our team are too inclines to go for the easy option, without going for the killer pass often enuf. That had in turned snuff out the possibility of our players like owen/ chicarito. we rely too much on our on our striker to come deep to get the ball to provide the bridge from def to attack and in fact, are too used to it. We rarely plays ball over the def for our striker to chase anymore.

I understand that in some games like ranger n sunderland, we will come up against opposition who like to get man behind the ball/ camp in their penalty box n balls like that won;t work. However, if we recall back to the days when scholes n rudd were the strikeforce of our team, their one-two play outside the penalty are pure magic. Why are we not producing the same type of play? We might had lost rudd n scholes might be no longer suitable for that role anymore, but surely we already got a ready made replacement in berba/rooney for scholes role n owen/chica for rudd's role.


I guess, going back to the top of this post, i am just sad that players like rudd, inzaghi are just no longer being produced and fully utilised in the modern game. They are a dying breed. While i agree that messi n ronaldo are great to watch when they try to dribble pass the whole defence and cut in to score, i would not swap rudd for the both of them to get at the end of a scoring chance when it matters the most. Thank you again rudd. (although u are not really retiring yet, this is a bit premature i admit kekeke) doh.gif
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post Sep 21 2010, 07:38 PM

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It's not that we don't want to let our strikers chase them, but most of the time we are facing a gigantic wall right in front of their goal. How the hell are we going to utilise the pace, movement of the strikers and take advantage of whatever space they could find behind the opposition's defender. Just look at the Rangers game. That's what we're up against most of the time. And Rangers record away from home was good last season I think. Drew twice and lost once against Sevilla in the CL.

With the likes of Carrick, Scholes, Ando, Giggs, you think they can't spot a pass when they are the best at those stuff? Just google Rooney - Bolton. There's quite a few of them in games just against them. And since Ruud left, there's hardly a striker in our squad who plays on the shoulder of the last opposing defender until we got Owen last season and even then he wouldn't be able to make use of the space since his pace is not what it used to be. Chicharito is the one who can really take advantage of that, but how the hell is he supposed to work when there's hardly any space for him to run into against Rangers?



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post Sep 21 2010, 08:04 PM

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Premier League stats

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By Opta Sportsdata   Last updated: Tuesday 21st September 2010

Top Shooter   Dimitar Berbatov (Man United)   20

Top Passer   Paul Scholes (Man United)   389

Most Offsides   Dimitar Berbatov (Man United)   8

Passers   Team   Passes   Accuracy

Scholes   Man United   389   90%
Fletcher   Man United   345   86%

Scorers   Team   Goals   Goal/shots

Berbatov   Man United   6   30%

Team   Goals   Shots   On Target   Shot Accuracy   Succ Passes

Man United   14   64   30   47%   2232

ASSISTS   Team   Assists

Nani   Manchester United   4

First Half PL Table       P   W   D   L   F   A   GD   PTS

2   Manchester United   5   4   1   0   6   1   +5   13

Second Half PL Table       P   W   D   L   F   A   GD   PTS

7   Manchester United   5   2   2   1   8   6   +2   8


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_2705370,00.html

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post Sep 21 2010, 08:16 PM

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Tomorrow eh the game? Aiyaaaaa
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post Sep 21 2010, 08:17 PM

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Manchester United Readying Sensational Bid To Bring Real Madrid Star Cristiano Ronaldo Back To Old Trafford doh.gif

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Manchester United  are plotting to launch an astonishing bid to bring Real Madrid’s  world record signing Cristiano Ronaldo back to English football, reports suggest.

Goal.com Spain comments that sources in the capital believe Red Devils boss Sir Alex Ferguson wants to lure CR7 back to the venue where his career flourished under the legendary coach, with an audacious €100 million bid being readied.

Given the current financial constraints at the Premier League giants, coupled with the fact that Ronaldo’s buy-out clause is 10 times that of United’s supposed offer and los Blancos’ president Florentino Perez would never sell the player, it would seem that this particular deal is highly implausible.

However, recent speculation as to the source of the Portuguese international’s poor form for the capital club has led to rumours that the player may be unhappy with his current role in the team.

While Ronaldo is still finding his feet in the new season it is likely that rumours will continue to intensify until CR7 starts to find the target regularly after struggling in front of goal so far this campaign.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zo...d-to-bring-real

I THINK IS NOT GONNA BE HAPPEN.... laugh.gif
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post Sep 21 2010, 08:19 PM

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the news above is absurd.
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post Sep 21 2010, 08:29 PM

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walao if only it happened...i'll wet my bed
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post Sep 21 2010, 08:34 PM

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Not going to happen.
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post Sep 21 2010, 08:39 PM

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100mil on a player? man utd? laugh.gif
sooo not gonna happen
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post Sep 21 2010, 08:41 PM

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so SAF sold him to RM for €80M, just to buy him back at €100M ? doh.gif

He's old, but not senile yet

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post Sep 21 2010, 08:44 PM

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10 million maybe cnnsider la wahahahaha
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QUOTE(longamwai @ Sep 21 2010, 08:44 PM)
10 million maybe cnnsider la wahahahaha
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lol if its really €10M, we will see CR being introduce at OT in January 2011 laugh.gif
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post Sep 21 2010, 08:53 PM

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No value in the market. tongue.gif
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post Sep 21 2010, 09:24 PM

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better take messi la

he's injured,so he will get sold(like ronaldinho)

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post Sep 21 2010, 09:30 PM

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i lol @ goal.com

Btw,to calvin on Rooney contract news,don't believe anything u see in the papers/online. All their trying to do is create drama so more people buy thier paper. Very annoying. 90% of the crap they publish never actually happens.
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post Sep 21 2010, 09:33 PM

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goal.com is like vk lingam. they put there highly unlikely lol
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post Sep 21 2010, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Pain_X @ Sep 21 2010, 09:30 PM)
i lol @ goal.com

Btw,to calvin on Rooney contract news,don't believe anything u see in the papers/online. All their trying to do is create drama so more people buy thier paper. Very annoying. 90% of the crap they publish never actually happens.
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there are other sources online on this news but the one i read came from http://www.barclayspremierleagues.com/roon...-contract/1233/

barclayspremierleagues ? isnt that the official website for BPL ? wonder why they take this kind of news to put out. they should be putting out official news and not news that is not true

whats the diffrence between BPL & EPL though ? arent they the same ?
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QUOTE(Calvin871989 @ Sep 21 2010, 09:39 PM)
there are other sources online on this news but the one i read came from http://www.barclayspremierleagues.com/roon...-contract/1233/

barclayspremierleagues ? isnt that the official website for BPL ? wonder why they take this kind of news to  put out. they should be putting out official news and not news that is not true

whats the diffrence between BPL & EPL though ? arent they the same ?
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That site doesn't look too official to me..
IINM, The league used to be called EPL= English premier league until a few years ago when Barclays bank started to sponsor the league which led to the change of name to BPL= Barclays Premier League
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This is the official site.
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Home/0,,12306,00.html

And just because it's newsworthy to be put on an official site, it doesn't mean it's true. Just look at manutd.com. They even have a rumours page there and sometimes make it as a frontpage news. No quotes from official source=Bullshit.
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QUOTE(Pain_X @ Sep 21 2010, 09:43 PM)
That site doesn't look too official to me..
IINM, The league used to be called EPL= English premier league until a few years ago when Barclays bank started to sponsor the league which led to the change of name to BPL= Barclays Premier League
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didnt know barclays was a bank sweat.gif
still, the name EPL suits me more biggrin.gif

anyways, not really looking foward to the league cup. i think the big aim this season are both the league and champions league. its been ok so far, would like to say more then ok but we tend to give goals away when leading this season. not sure why this is happening though or maybe we're missing ferdinand at the back four. attacking wise, we still need to improve and find goals from every coner of the field. berbatov have done well this season. i think his having his best season in man utd while the lost of valencia might be crucial to our games but we have back ups for that but i would still prefer valencia on the right.

and as for rooney, hope to see the rooney from last season sooner then later. there were so many things i wanted to say during the world cup about him as an england suppoter but ive decided to just move on with it. cant blame him though for england's exit. but last season for man utd was his best. he really gave it all. and it was also nice seeing him play in his favourite role and not someone who used to play far wide outside during ronaldo's time. cant see him doing so much running around the park these days. i understand the injuries his had recently or past but im sure its already been recovered. not sure what else is wrong other then his private life but im not gonna get into that because i just want to see him to his best on the field.

like i said, to see the rooney from last season is still possible but rather to start scoring sooner then later. im sure his form is already there or closer but just need to keep working hard like he did last season. depending on berbatov this season will led to another question next season on "we cant just depend on bebrbatov". yes, bebrbatov was an exspensive buy for us but he too cant keep it going for too long. but, if he can then congrats. his done well this season and everyone else including rooney needs to find the back of the net this season if they really wanting to win the league and champions league.



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