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 [WTA] Cost for 20 minutes 2D Animation?, Might come out with real project.

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LZ Zach
post Sep 14 2010, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(Evil1980 @ Sep 14 2010, 01:15 PM)
Sure please come for interview. And again, please don't mention anything about me please..


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Here is some of my animation practice... Just for sharing hahaha...
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Wow, your animation is awesome! Did you do it traditionally or digitally?
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post Sep 14 2010, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Evil1980 @ Sep 14 2010, 02:28 PM)
Hehehe  biggrin.gif ... Digitally opkoz... More easy maa...  I'm using Macromedia Flash 8.
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Are you using Wacom-branded tablets? I'm curious..tongue.gif

QUOTE(LeechFever @ Sep 14 2010, 02:45 PM)
Wow nice animation. As long as you don't do another bola kampung story. It's nice but too much already in Malaysia animation.


Added on September 14, 2010, 2:51 pm

Never involve the government when doing business. It always end up bad. Even if financially secure, you sell your soul to the devil, lol.
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Why? Will the gov do something to your production somehow?

And if I'm not mistaken, did Walt himself borrowed loans from banks or was it some other source in order to finance his first full length feature animation?

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post Sep 14 2010, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(LeechFever @ Sep 14 2010, 03:27 PM)
Why specifically have to be "kampung" theme based all the time or rather lazy idea like "kacang". Upin and lupin is good but still kampung based theme. I mean there are so much other better creative idea that is low cost and does not need complex background. And the only way to grow is to do away with repetitive theme and come up with something new. Animation need not have to be brilliant, but the story needs improvement.

I can imagine they argue that "Kampung" theme is more rooted to Malaysia culture but I hardly agreed on that. "Kampung" just another "village" and like the rest of the countries, the concept of village is not that unique in malaysia.

Another issue I have with Malaysia animation is the sound effect. Some animation is fine but it comes to sound, it feels very awkward and does not blend in well.


Added on September 14, 2010, 3:34 pm

Banks and government funds are different things lah. And seriously government funding is bad for business and yes, at times they will do somthing to the production like inserting pro government message. Unlike private entity, government are more "cincai". What that means, they care less about quality as long as there are result. Animators tend to get paid high but produce lower quality animation in hopes for higher profit. This actually encourage lazy syndrome in the company and people are less motivate to work harder. Look at some of the government funded companies and you can see they splurge money like no tomorrow but no quality behind their work. Even now, I see couple of pro government animation on TV, but very lousy quality.
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Something Malaysian but still doesn't have the traditional taste? Hmm... that's a new idea to begin but how?

And yeah, thanks for the info.
At first I thought maybe some bank are associated with the goverment, but hey, at least you cleared up my initial thoughts. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Evil1980 @ Sep 14 2010, 03:50 PM)
Yaaa... I use Wacom... Old wacom tablet...
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If you don't mind, may I asked what Wacom product you're using? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 14 2010, 08:45 PM)
That "kampung" and "sayur" theme is what I mean.
The theme itself is not interesting and hot as romance or atleast slice of life, how can we expect to sell them.

I agree with you about the sound effects as well the voice actor and the script, most importantly.

We really need improvement... let's do it step by step thou.

About what you said is true.
They just want to filled up the quota so they can fill in the report for the current Rancangan Kewangan Malaysia.
Mean, it's executed.

but how I wish to take that advantage from government and use up the money that they gave to produce a serious work and not just to get the work done.
Because I'm not shallow minded people who want to take profits from the money given to produce the animation.
I've seen more wealthier money making opportunity if the animation is done in high quality and up to international standard.

Hope I will be there...  thumbup.gif
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Do you think Malaysia can sell out animes>Japan? Few friends here love'em and want to try produce it when they grow up.

And so, what other themes Malaysia can sell out other than the usual 'American' styles? It's gotta be unique right? Something Malaysia-cky hmm.gif

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post Sep 14 2010, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(LeechFever @ Sep 14 2010, 10:33 PM)
I'm a little bit confused. Ok, I don't do business myself but I did take management course which include how to set up business and one method is to borrow from bank which I don't get what's the fuss about since this is usually the norm for people who have little money to jump start business. And to answer the previous post question on how Walt Disney got his funding to make Snow White, he borrow from the Bank of America. However, that's just one method. There are many other ways of getting funds aside from loan shark and government like getting partners and so forth.

And like I mention before, getting funds from government tend to end up bad or low quality because there are always almost no consequences especially in Malaysia. As long you show something they deemed "ok", you will get the cut regardless how badly it is done. And government do not worry about money or profit, because the money came from taxpayers. Did you not see how the government always fund/bail proton whenever they are having trouble? And look at the quality of their car. Mine have creaking sound a week later. To make matter worse, mindset of animators funded by government tends to get too comfortable and ends up doing a horrible job because by the end of the day they still get paid. Step by step? Dude, I wish that was true but do I need to wait another 50 years to see us up to par to at least China animation level? I find China's Astro Plan more entertaining, mind you. IMO opinion anyway, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Ok so, if we wait another 50 years just to expect Malaysia to be on the same level at least China's standard but what about US or Canada? By then, probably they'd dominate the entertainment industry and I don't think there is little space reserved for us to catch on in this industry.
Maybe I'm a little naive and you comment on me later but someone's got to be the initiater or the 'changer' in our country, right? Or else maybe we'll still end up stuck in the 'Kampung-lagi-style'.

But I do notice that a handful local animation & gaming companies are stepping up towards that goal.
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post Sep 15 2010, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 14 2010, 11:19 PM)
In my opinion, Malaysia CAN SELL anime to Japan IF and ONLY IF that anime is dubbed in Japanese.
Creating whole new concept, OP, ED, and all the insert songs in JP.
Just re-use the Malaysian made animation.
If the storyline is appealing, I bet they will be acceptable.
Then maybe we can get an award like so called, "Best Foreign Animation Studio Company In Japan".
Beside, Japanese like "Mareshia" don't you forget that....  rclxms.gif

As for US, some of them prefer buying original DVD dubbed in Japan and subbed in English.
What that mean to you?

Me too, prefer the original DVD dubbed in Japan and subbed in English.
I think you can't blame the animators.
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I wondering...so this means if Malaysia was to make its own anime, but what if the quality or style doesn't match? Even with the dubs and voice acting,etc in Japanese? Will it still get positive feedback there?
I've never really heard of any country making anime other than Japan itself.

Oh, and what's 'Mareshia'? whistling.gif
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post Sep 15 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(LeechFever @ Sep 15 2010, 10:50 AM)
You do know that Japan outsourced most animation to Korea right? If you look at the end credit, most will find Korean names instead of Japanese. Don't forget "Avatar the air bender" is technically not made by Japan at all. Then again the terms "Anime" refer specifically to "animation made by Japan" so you can't really say "anime made by Malaysia".
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Oh, I didn't know that. But what kind of work does the Koreans do who are involve in the anime production since you said they outsource it?
Care to explain a little deeper? hmm.gif

I do know that Avatar isn't made by Japan but some Americans instead, but the story is really interesting.
So finally, the term 'Anime' only applies to animation made by Japan? Too bad I guess Malaysia's gotta get another style of animation I guess.

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post Sep 19 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 19 2010, 11:02 AM)
Uh, one of my acquaintance have started a new anime project of 13 episodes.

Overall production cost him MYR 1.3 million.

I don't know which studio will produce this and I'm not sure how long one episode will be.

But if rawly counting 1.3 million divided equally among 13 episodes, it would be 100K for one episode production?

But for sure this animation will not adapt any Japanese style of animation...

Ah~ I ask him to shed some way but still no reply...  laugh.gif
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Wow, seriously? In Malaysia? But 1.3 million...that's a huge numbers for a Malaysian producers compared to American counterparts...

May I know about the name of the anime & also how many people are working on it? tongue.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 19 2010, 11:22 AM)
Seriously... Upin and Ipin pilot episode were costing RM150K before they mass production which cost RM6 millions.

And there's some trailer of Saladin cost RM20 millions for only trailers...  shocking.gif

But both of Upin and Ipin and Saladin is a 3D...

This guy, he didn't tell anything else other than the number of episodes and the project started at June 2010.
Maybe it's a trade secret or whatever...

He got funding from MeDC which what I am aiming for as well....  sweat.gif

p/s: Was MeDC the same with SKMMM?
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From one guy's post I've read, he said those figures are like peanuts compared to American or Canadian production! shocking.gif
But what if Malaysian producers made animation shows in 2D? Would that cost less than 3D?

Funding? Wow, but do you actually need an explicit reason to get it? Is it the same as gov fund?

Btw, I don't really know what's SKMMM... sorry rclxub.gif
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post Sep 19 2010, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(wgn_white @ Sep 19 2010, 12:07 PM)
To get the fund? Reason? No?

Lol

We need a good storyline, a proposal, a proof of concept and also some "cable".

So far... I have all except "a proposal"...  icon_rolleyes.gif

Actually the guy's post was correct... If we compare to RM60K for production cost only, RM 1.3 million is actually not enough....  whistling.gif
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'Cable'? Do you mean distributors?

What are the odds if Malaysia could ever catch up with American producers in terms of huge budgets in productions? shakehead.gif (unlikely?)

 

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