June 11th is not the actual launch date, AMD has never given an official launch date for Bulldozer. It is merely a rumor that spread like wildfire and made many believe that it is true. The latest speculation/rumor points that Bulldozer will come by September but of course it is just another rumor and hopefully it is right this time.

My advice is get a Core i5 2500K + P67 board instead. Has overclocking potential and much cheaper than a Core i7 2600. If you're mostly gaming, HT serves no purpose unless you're running heavily threaded(>4 threads) programs.

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FX-8130P functioning turbo core at 4.2GHz. Idle at 1.4GHz(0.936V) and turbo till 4.2GHz(1.392V).

You could give ASRock a call for the availability of their ASRock A75M-ITX which is a very nice mITX board.

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AMD to have a triple-core desktop Llano

The prices should not be that different from one another. Currently A6-3650 @ RM369 and A8-3850 @ RM459 from both Cycom and Viewnet.

AFAIK nobody here in Malaysia selling ASRock based E-350's. If cheapest price for an E-350 determines the reason that you want to get the ASRock, then getting the MSI 350IA-E45 @ RM385 from Jayacom is the cheapest E-350 you can get here.

It is a little bit more expensive but relative to what you pay for an Intel Atom with Nvidia ION, I'd say it is pretty cheap already. These are not local prices because the Intel Atom we have at Lowyat Plaza does not come with Nvidia ION.

Believe such news with a grain of salt. There are no official results yet and anyone skilled with photo editing can easily fake results. By September hopefully we will have some numbers that are legit.

IIANM FM1 has the same hole spacing like AM3 and the newer AM3+ so it is possible to reuse from AM3 kits.

That's why I never posted any news regarding this when I knew the source was from OBR. Many said he is a fake long before Bulldozer so I concluded that the Bulldozer results were never real. Apparently he is a die hard Intel fanboy therefore he trolls AMD fanboys by releasing fake benches and give false hope.

It was pointed out that there could be a possibility that BD was never delayed and it is 'delayed' due to the fact that AMD is production constrained and the 32nm fab is full steam for the past few months for Llano release. AMD does not have a fab of their own and GF is actually pretty small compared to TSMC, therefore it is more likely that it is production constrained. The 60-90 days could be an indication that they were just beginning to mass produce and package BD for August-October launch.

That is why I mentioned before that even if BD is what it thought to be and it totally destroyed SB in every single test it won't be able to be a huge hit due to the fact that GF is small and cannot meet the demands like Intel could with their fabs. That could also be the reason that Intel might not budge SB pricing even if BD were to come out because Intel knows that AMD is production constrained and cannot exceed 20% of the market's demand.

Not very easy to implement PCI-E 3.0 at this stage. Even Intel is having trouble with PCI-E 3.0 on their LGA2011 and there are rumors that the early version of LGA2011 boards will come with PCI-E 2.0 instead because implementing PCI-E 3.0 will delay them further till next year.

Even if it is said that Trinity is on schedule, it doesn't mean that it will come out this year. It will still come out next year at its intended release date. Despite BD being 'delayed' it should still be released this year nonetheless. I mention 'delayed' instead of delayed to point out that BD has no official news from AMD that it is delayed and I was corrected before on the notion that BD is delayed.

Which motherboard does not come with USB 3.0 these days? Paying top dollar for an uber expensive motherboard just to not have USB 3.0 is just daylight robbery. You can read more here.

It is simple to cause a stir with the majority of forumers, that is why it is called FUD. A simple look at how FUD can change people's perception is OBR which lex pointed out. People assumed it is true and it spreaded like wildfire.



This is what I would assume to be 'official' announcement by AMD. It appeared in the AMD's presentation slides for Computex on June 1, 2011. It says 60-90 days so worst case scenario would be September end but then it could be early October as well so there is no clear answer to this except that AMD promised within 60-90 days and they should deliver by that time period and not next year. This is an assumption only and may not reflect what might happen in a few months time but for AMD's sake they better release something.

AMD A8-3870 with Unlocked Multiplier

Those boards are still a prototype when it debuted during the live event so it could just be a physical mock up of the board but not a working prototype. For a Z68 board to have PCI-E 3.0 makes not much sense since there are only 16 lanes coming from the CPU and split in configuration of x16 and x8x8.

Actually I think Intel does not have much of problem implementing it is just that if they are not 100% sure that it will definitely work then there is no point releasing it since it could be hardware dependent and firmware updates will not fix the problem in the future. It is all rumor and speculation at this moment and nobody is 100% sure what is going on behind closed doors.

I am guessing that Intel is playing it safe since the Cougar Point chipset bug and they wouldn't mind delaying a few months to make sure that their products work. Quad channel memory I think exists on server boards for quite some time already and it is now moving downwards to the consumer level products.

AMD Bulldozer 8-Core Processor September Launch


UPDATE : Details of FX-4100 & FX-6100 series


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As long as software developers are paid I'm sure they would have to develop it as there are markets for this kind of stuff. Intel is also developing their MIC to counter GPU parallel compute offered by AMD and Nvidia. Not much practical use for the normal user but for HPC, it can make quite a difference in terms of processing throughput. The only problem now is that many claimed that Intel MIC might not be suitable.

AMD FX-8150P = USD269
USD269 = RM795

Of course price matters especially when price/performance matters. I would definitely not pay $1000 for a BD knowing how would it perform. It is no where near in the range of the LGA2011 so I would say price here definitely is an important factor no matter what you pay for. The price that I have stated there take it with a grain of salt. That is why I labeled it 'rumor' because it has OBR all over it and my assumption here is that it should price similar or more expensive than Core i7 2600K.

It will definitely perform as good or better than Intel that I can be certain of but my assumption is only limited to heavily threaded applications and not single threaded applications. AMD would have to change it sooner or later and the very old socket is becoming of a bottleneck. It is either they make a switch now or never but I do agree that it would be a waste to have such a short lifespan. As for IB, nobody is 100% sure whether the Cougar Point chipsets would limit users or LGA1155 will still be used but Panther Point is a requirement to use IB.

The current programming model has poor multicore support and rewrite or recompile is necessary. That is why there are programming languages like OpenCL to simplify and make better use of multicore without diminishing returns.

It depends but more and more programs are getting on the bandwagon to utilize more cores as they possibly could despite the difficulty posed by making a program to be multithreaded. Definitely not all programs will benefit from OpenCL or could benefit from OpenCL but developers are getting there soon. OpenCL is quite a recent development and not as common as the C language but it is quite similar to C in terms of writing so I think it wouldn't be too much trouble for developers to learn it.

Llano and the whole Fusion concept will only become more popular if AMD manages to work with developers to push the development of GPU accelerated programs. They are trying and some software developers are making GPGPU accelerated software but if they fail then the Fusion platform is a flop.

Last time GPUs are meant to push pixels but as time goes by we get GPUs that are becoming more and more multipurpose. That is what CPUs are today, they are multipurpose and no fixed function logic compared to last time and that is what makes modern CPU what it is today. We all know that AMD is pushing their GPUs to be morecompute intensive and more like a general purpose processor compared to pushing pixels, becoming much more like CUDA cores. GPUs these days are plenty powerful no thanks to console counterparts slowing down development so GPU compute is another market to tap.

CUDA was good but since it is proprietary to Nvidia, development is slow as with any closed source software. Make it open source like OpenCL then we can see development becomes faster. There are already AMD APP accelerated software, I forgot where is the link already but you can search through this thread, I have posted something about Cyberlink before. As with any programming language, it takes time before it becomes popular(if). We'll have to see the market's adoption rate towards GPU accelerated programs and web browser GPU acceleration is a good start.