a win tonite will put us 1 point behind MU,great boost for us and pressure for them going into next week clash

All I can say is, you are very linear. I would easily give Lucas and Poulsen a 3....And that, I think is a too generous rating for them especially with that kind of performance.

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Added on September 13, 2010, 1:31 am
That kind of mentality for every match? Seriously? What the hell? Then we probably be getting 38 points when seasons end.... Half of what we get last season...Brilliant...

That's exactly the issue. These days we are playing not to lose when we should be playing to win especially against sides like WBA which we barely deserved to beat at home no less and no disrespect to them, but Birmingham as well. Against the latter we should have at least looked like we deserved a draw.

6 is a very generous rating for Johnson. I thought he deserved only a 4. We all know he's a little suspect at defending which he was but even his attacking game deserted him last night. His passes often went astray and he gave the ball away constantly. The only player that had worse eyesight was Lucas who at times appeared to be colour blind.

It would be a miracle to come out of old Trafford with anything less than a beating at this rate.

Gerrard still need to play at midfield. Put Pacheco, Ngog or Babel to pair with Torres.

With Lucas-Poulsen combinatin, there is no one to control the midfield area, and create passes. Torres + Gerrard combination has lose the spark initially season back. Opponent knows how to play and deal with this strategy already, just cut off the midfield supply, nothing can be done by both of them.

Liv plays better after Lucas being subbed and Gerrard shifted back to the midfield.
Somebody need to take control the midfield area.

By the time we finished the 20th game, we are somewhere top3-4 from the bottom of the league.

Stars are probably leaving.So, what's the point of being able to form a formidable midfield when you have to restart from scratch because your stars are leaving?

After 4 games, liverpool is at bottom half of the table with 5 points, 7pts adrift from the leader.

1 - Alonso - passing, good, sometime superb! when he left us, there is no one can replace him right now, and what the fkkk our scout do? there is 1818478455 league in Europe and you cant find one player like him ? shhhhhhhhht....no need perfect like Alonso, 80 - 90% like him will always do

2- i dont know it is RH instruction or they don't know what they are doing...Gerrard and Torres doing the job to pick up the ball?? Lucas and Poulsen buat apa? gentel? ...this is what happen when your DM cant do the job...need Gerrard and Torres to help...haizz....

3 - i dont know how to add comment on this, but its true...pass to right or left? or in front? aahhhh...just pass....booom! someone already pressure you, then your passing stray away.....

4 - for me its still 50-50...but the feeling leading to a goal still there....

5 - this is something i miss out, thankz for bring this matter up...there is no one can replace Gerrard? i want Gerrard score when we take the corner. He is good in scoring goal, so if he do the job taking corners..we have lose one good player scoring goal.

well enough la talking about tactics...im sure all staff in Liverpool FC are qualified to identify the problem...if not they dont get the job huh?
@kenlimfornication

yes bro, you are right...im also want to see the progress under RH, we just pointed out what we feel and i hope, RH has the same thought as we are here, and of course...its for our team Liverpool FC

one more question, if last season we draw with Birmingham, this season we draw again, are we moving forward or stagnant? or we can give a fact reason that 'others also cant win at Birmingham, so we ok what'...........@_@ ... please kill me...

i wish all of us are as optimistic as you digilife.

non of us, have seen a cohesive movement from liverpool in any game (BPL or europa). granted your view is that we are under a new manager. and as some of us pointed out RH hasn't extrude confidence or the dexterity of shrewd  manager in game changing tactics, offering pointers on field when the passes (midfield-fwds) goes astray, using subs at crucial moments to change tempo or plug leaking midfield etc.

he (RH) appears to be just biding time. sure tactics (team list) are all drawn before any game but any shrewd manager will know you have subs to influence the outcome.

i hope we are all very wrong in our observations so far & the faint hope to be optimistic (as shown by you) rubs to our team as well. we desperately need some divine intervention.

It's often been said that players who aren't blessed with blistering pace need to make the ball do the running for them and Alonso epitomizes this. Not since Jan Molby have we had a player with such vision and accuracy.

ive seen

Ian Rush, John Alridge (the one i question his face same like Ian Rush), Stan Collymore, John Barnes, Neil Ruddock, Phil Babb, Mcmanaman, Patrick Berger, Jamie Redknap, Abel Xavier, Stephen Henchoz, Groblear,

i mention the name rarely discuss in this forum. Common one Owen, Fowler and the rest until now..

And Sander Westerveld ? Those are my eras

Oh... Bruce Grobbelaar too....