Hi guyz,

i need some career advice here...
I been offered for ibm GBS and trainee position for SAP ABAPer in accenture.

Just wondering...which career path will giv a better future prospect?

Izzit both GBS and accenture oso doing SAP ?

Thanks

This post has been edited by xiang05: Aug 17 2010, 09:34 PM

trainee position for SAP ABAPer in accenture better~

Thx for reply
Can i know why?

SAP has a good prospect

SAP lor...IBM nowadays oledi being REPLACED BY HP....i mean, in terms of performance.

Accenture (I being invited for interview, but due to under internship period, request to postpone until i finish internship and available) is better, coz u might hv chance work oversea...

IBM does not practice frequently anymore.

This post has been edited by marvin_teow: Aug 18 2010, 11:09 AM

Does all freshie who enter into the SAP consultancy field get bonded by the company?

@peppermint1
nowadays it seems so. But there are companies that do not bond you for instants, Vantage Point, ABeam Consulting, etc

but why? Let's say if the candidate is already SAP certified, but just lacking in SAP working experience, will the company still want to bond the freshie? on what basis then?

the excuse they bond u is because they provided u with SAP exposure. You will find it hard for a fresh grad to secure a job with SAP vendors unless you have your first class honours from a reputable university.

My personal experience, I tried every single SAP vendors out there (R/3 vendors) and I got offers from IBM (because i did internship with them but I declined because they gave me a crappy module), and Vantage Point only. I even had friends in ABeam that submitted the resume on my behalf but failed. I had decent results (2nd Upper class) but still rejected.

Certified in which? SAP has so many modules. And is it the official certification?

In SAP world, project experience is everything, so the company would not like juniors to accumulate one lifecycle experience then ciao

but isnt it the same in all industries? I'm sure no companies would like to take in a freshie, only 2 have him/her leave the company aftr 1 or 2 yrs aftr having gained some experience. But those companies dont bond their freshies either. So y more so in the SAP world as compared to others?

You sure? My bro in chemical engineering got bonded for quite a bit

Anyways this is very common in IT world for highly-demanded skillsets. Certain SAP skills fall under that category, like FI and MM.

sounds like a competitive world out there...
out of curiosity, y's a 1st class so important? Does personality and capability in the working world not count?
is it bcos it impresses the Clients that their SAP consultants are all 1st class hon. holders?

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Added on November 10, 2010, 11:15 pmreally? did they provide yr bro some overseas training or stg liddat?

This post has been edited by peppermint1: Nov 10 2010, 11:15 PM

Candidate A - 1st class. Capability - Unknown.

Candidate B - 2nd class. Capability - Unknown.

Who will you choose? Its a sad world. Luck plays apart in everything you do.

then should interview both!

yeah, luck plays a part.
and also, timing is everything!

This post has been edited by peppermint1: Nov 10 2010, 11:43 PM

If they only have 2 candidates they would probably do that.

However a usual scenario (especially hiring SAP freshies) would be:-
70 (1st class) & 300 (2nd class) resumes fighting for 3 fresh SAP positions.
If you were the employer, would you bother to look at the 300 (2nd class) resume??
I know I wouldn't. I would spend my time and focus on the 70(1st class) resumes.

Yes, personality and etc matters.
But assuming both candidates have the same "die-hard" attitude", and their only difference is the degree.
Why, would the employer in the right mind hire the 2nd class graduate ??

indeed...

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Added on November 11, 2010, 8:51 amindeed...

This post has been edited by peppermint1: Nov 11 2010, 08:51 AM

just my 2 cents, 1st class vs 2nd class don't make much of the differences.

Its book smart vs street smart which makes the different. many of my uni mates has ventured into the SAP market.. some 1st class, some 2nd class. to be honest, the high flying ones are the 2nd class street smart ones.

In SAP, always think of the experience 1st. Configuration exp is the most essential factor. Once you have master that, you can demand hence the money.

This post has been edited by GiNgEr^fIsH: Nov 11 2010, 12:27 PM

@gingerfish
I think our point here is referring to fresh grad entry into SAP. Experienced hires will have different filtering conditions. For fresh grads, we are filtered solely based on results (and maybe curricular?) as we have no experience to offer.

how about experienced as an end user, but not as a consultant? not fresh grad, but considered freshie rite?

which client (customer) u will be supported?
u will dai if the client is m***s....

y?

a lots of sev.1 issues everyday..and ibm sucks..
even the expert oso looking for new job..

If it's Accenture, it might make a big difference.

The 1st class or 2nd class can help determine which workforce the candidate lands. Higher achievers might get the consulting workforce, which exposes to functional configuration job experience. Those skillsets are valued higher in the market compared to programming roles that solution workforce gets.

I shall not comment about Accenture in depth but i think Accenture focuses more on building management skills.

in terms of fresh grad, don't be discourage. Alot of interviewers also judge based on the way the candidate expresses themselves during an interview. Communication is important. I remember giving a recommendation to the management on a candidate with 2nd class rather then 1st class before.

Hi people,

Just want to put a reminder to all who are interested to join SAP. Being SAP beginner myself, SAP is not the only way to get high salary. You can do it if you master UNIX or Java. So does every other technology including Oracle DB. SAP just like Unix, Java, Oracle as long as you master it you can demand more. You have to pave the way as hard as people who do Java and UNIX. Doing SAP is not much different than the others.

Do not think if you go SAP, you will get into shortcut and earn high salary. Dont fall into this dream of earning easy and big money. If you dont prove you are technically competent in all technologies, functional areas, plus ability to communicate and do impressive presentation with all levels of people in the organisation; including MNC CEO, COO, CTO, all the company bigshots, forget about earning big bucks. I tell you straight now.

Strongly agree thank you

What if SAP products fail? Technology moves so fast, today's hero can be forgotten in half a decade. It is the communication skills and project management that matter in the end, that keep us gainfully employed.

+1

m*x** will make u s**k.
@apigeniuz, are u IBMer working in m*x** team? technical or functional?

it is a currently a black hole there whether technical or functional..

those ibmer, i know who you are there...

Half a decade? Impossible bro. MNC spend millions for their SAP system and change them due to SAP downfall in a decade? Don't see it happening dat soon. If SAP falls, many will continue to fall as well. Still, SAP will still have the market to maintain existing customer just like how AS400, JD Edwards are doing now.

I met many candidate who just want to get into SAP thinking its all roses, sit around consulting people and earn tons of money.

I agree there are many who do earn lots, but its not as juicy as it was 10 years back.

Some I met even willing to take pay cuts just to get into those roles.

Just that the implementation and upgrade contracts will dry up but boss you understand I'm not making a point about SAP's shelf life (no one can guess that!), but about the skillsets which matter to us.

Say if we're defined by our technology alignment (SAP specialist) instead of our soft skill set (project manager), when SAP implementations dry up we would be left fighting for support job scraps with the WIPROs of the world. Project managers can carry their skillset to any technological implementation independent of SAP.

im not ibmer..im vendor for ibm..
but im supporting that account like no end..

This post has been edited by apaigeniuz: Nov 15 2010, 07:29 PM

Haha. WIPROs.. I get dat. Its tough working with indians from india. Talking about cost saving the quality dips pretty hell much as well.