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TSgjohn
post Aug 16 2010, 02:11 PM, updated 16y ago

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Hi..
i wanna ask about renovation?
Does anybody know how much does it cost to build a divider to separate between living room & dining room area?and do any contractor does this kind of renovation.the divider is juz like the pictures below..

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QUOTE(gjohn @ Aug 16 2010, 02:11 PM)
Hi..
i wanna ask about renovation?
Does anybody know how much does it cost to build a divider to separate between living room & dining room area?and do any contractor does this kind of renovation.the divider is juz like the pictures below..

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Cheap. Below 5k-5.5k. Plywood wood and formica board needed only.
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post Aug 16 2010, 03:00 PM

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i got quotation for 3 tiang (wood) around rm 1.x K ...
but not sure on thewhat material ..
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If use glass will be more expensive

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Aug 16 2010, 06:03 PM)
If use glass will be more expensive
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I was qouted a tempered glass partition 10 x 8.5 feet at a price of nearly 3k.


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10 feet height ? or is it 8.5 feet height ?
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Aug 16 2010, 06:08 PM)
10 feet height ? or is it 8.5 feet height ?
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8.5 feet height.
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post Aug 16 2010, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Aug 16 2010, 04:00 PM)
i got quotation for 3 tiang (wood) around rm 1.x K ...
but not sure on thewhat material ..
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Ya, I would also think that 1k plus is the reasonable price.

Below is my own estimation

The weight of the wood required is about =0.28m3x900 kg/m3 = 252kg

Even solid wood is used, material price is but RM1000 the most.

Transportation cost is say RM200

Assuming that the work could be done in 2 days and the wages per day is RM200=> RM200x2=RM400

Add 30% profit = RM480

Total Cost =RM1000+RM200+RM400+RM480=RM2080

(However, if there is other complication like cutting of tiles and others. The cost would go up)



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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 16 2010, 05:16 PM)
8.5 feet height.
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post Aug 17 2010, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Aug 16 2010, 03:00 PM)
i got quotation for 3 tiang (wood) around rm 1.x K ...
but not sure on thewhat material ..
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wow...not that expensive and within my budget...
tahnks..can you PM me the contractors info.

QUOTE(GangHo @ Aug 16 2010, 05:31 PM)
Ya, I would also think that 1k plus is the reasonable price.

Below is my own estimation

The weight of the wood required is about =0.28m3x900 kg/m3 = 252kg

Even solid wood is used, material price is but RM1000 the most.

Transportation cost is say RM200

Assuming that the work could be done in 2 days and the wages per day is RM200=> RM200x2=RM400

Add 30% profit = RM480

Total Cost =RM1000+RM200+RM400+RM480=RM2080

(However, if there is other complication like cutting of tiles and others. The cost would go up)
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did u do it urself or are u a contractor ur self?
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Can share your contractor here ?
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QUOTE(gjohn @ Aug 17 2010, 10:16 AM)
wow...not that expensive and within my budget...
tahnks..can you PM me the contractors info.
did u do it urself or are u a contractor ur self?
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I'm not a contractor. I'm merely calculating it for you.
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post Aug 19 2010, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(GangHo @ Aug 17 2010, 05:32 PM)
I'm not a contractor. I'm merely calculating it for you.
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oo..it seems u know a lot
so i was assuming u r a contractor..ehehe
but nevertheless...thanks for the info..


Added on August 19, 2010, 8:45 amHas anyone DIY-ed this kind of divider before??huhu

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post Sep 21 2010, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Aug 16 2010, 03:00 PM)
i got quotation for 3 tiang (wood) around rm 1.x K ...
but not sure on thewhat material ..
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Can share the contact of contractor?


Added on September 21, 2010, 2:51 pm
QUOTE(GangHo @ Aug 16 2010, 05:31 PM)
Ya, I would also think that 1k plus is the reasonable price.

Below is my own estimation

The weight of the wood required is about =0.28m3x900 kg/m3 = 252kg

Even solid wood is used, material price is but RM1000 the most.

Transportation cost is say RM200

Assuming that the work could be done in 2 days and the wages per day is RM200=> RM200x2=RM400

Add 30% profit = RM480

Total Cost =RM1000+RM200+RM400+RM480=RM2080

(However, if there is other complication like cutting of tiles and others. The cost would go up)
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Please pm me the contarctor contact...10q bro


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QUOTE(edyek @ Aug 16 2010, 02:47 PM)
Cheap. Below 5k-5.5k. Plywood wood and formica board needed only.
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not that pricey lah ......
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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Aug 16 2010, 03:00 PM)
i got quotation for 3 tiang (wood) around rm 1.x K ...
but not sure on thewhat material ..
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it's melamine board/chipboard ....
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 16 2010, 05:07 PM)
I was qouted a tempered glass partition 10 x 8.5 feet at a price of nearly 3k.
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you got a fair price rclxms.gif


Added on September 22, 2010, 10:43 am
QUOTE(GangHo @ Aug 16 2010, 05:31 PM)
Ya, I would also think that 1k plus is the reasonable price.

Below is my own estimation

The weight of the wood required is about =0.28m3x900 kg/m3 = 252kg

Even solid wood is used, material price is but RM1000 the most.

Transportation cost is say RM200

Assuming that the work could be done in 2 days and the wages per day is RM200=> RM200x2=RM400

Add 30% profit = RM480

Total Cost =RM1000+RM200+RM400+RM480=RM2080

(However, if there is other complication like cutting of tiles and others. The cost would go up)
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if solid wood was the material will cost more cost the cost of transportation should include extra 2 persons because this thing is very VERY heavy leh, even installation also need more people. conservative price will be around 3-5K depend to the species of the wood and the sizes of the area and measurement of the wood. anyway this is KL price lah you can have cheaper in wood producing state geh..... most of the material was source from there....

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QUOTE(gjohn @ Aug 19 2010, 08:38 AM)
oo..it seems u know a lot
so i was assuming u r a contractor..ehehe
but nevertheless...thanks for the info..


Added on August 19, 2010, 8:45 amHas anyone DIY-ed this kind of divider before??huhu
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hmm, not so easy to diy i think.... the material also cannot get. even you ask for the factory to fabricate this thing for ur own install ... you end up pay more ...y? because u will spoil the wood, then have to reorder, then you may spoilt your floor tiles/wall/ceiling (extra costs), then have to pay for the professional to do the job for you.... think before you do!! hmm.gif
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i'm interested to get one also...

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Appreciate if you could PM me if you're able to find a contractor regarding this... thanks.. smile.gif
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post Sep 22 2010, 11:22 AM

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I don't think you really need solid wood for this kind of thing, it's more towards decorative.
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post Sep 22 2010, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(cwhong @ Sep 22 2010, 10:47 AM)
hmm, not so easy to diy i think.... the material also cannot get. even you ask for the factory to fabricate this thing for ur own install ... you end up pay more ...y? because u will spoil the wood, then have to reorder, then you may spoilt your floor tiles/wall/ceiling (extra costs), then have to pay for the professional to do the job for you.... think before you do!!  hmm.gif
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that's what i'm thinking..
need a lot of work if wanna DIY..
because my floor also marble..how to nail it down to marble
can do that if only got tools...

QUOTE(davegan84 @ Sep 22 2010, 11:01 AM)
i'm interested to get one also...

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i PMed 1 of the kitchen cabinet contractor that do this..
his name is Erny Looi...he quoted the price for me..
roughly 1 laminated divider is 230~300..
so if wanna 3 pieces..then...should be 900~100 lor
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post Sep 22 2010, 09:02 PM

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I got quote RM16 psf if use plywood and on top put those shiny surface (dunno call what) for one side. If plywood only more cheaper.

Price is in JB.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Sep 22 2010, 11:22 AM)
I don't think you really need solid wood for this kind of thing, it's more towards decorative.
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agree with you, with solid wood we can construct a roof/second floor pillar to support the the whole weight of the furniture plus all the ppl live in there ... so wasted the resources and ur money.... not worth it if just because of luxury. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(gjohn @ Sep 22 2010, 05:07 PM)
that's what i'm thinking..
need a lot of work if wanna DIY..
because my floor also marble..how to nail it down to marble
can do that if only got tools...
i PMed 1 of the kitchen cabinet contractor that do this..
his name is Erny Looi...he quoted the price for me..
roughly 1 laminated divider is 230~300[COLOR=red]..
so if wanna 3 pieces..then...should be 900~100 lor
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i think this must be melamine board.... not to hint good or bad but just ask for the details to avoid any untoward incident.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(saiga @ Sep 22 2010, 09:02 PM)
I got quote RM16 psf[COLOR=red] if use plywood and on top put those shiny surface (dunno call what)  for one side. If plywood only more cheaper.

Price is in JB.
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sorry what are meant on that? what is the furniture u install? shinny thing got few type granite, marble, solid surface, quartz stone, Tempered Glass top....and i think that's all.... natural stone shinning one only got granite and marble. wink.gif
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Sep 22 2010, 11:45 PM)
i think this must be melamine board.... not to hint good or bad but just ask for the details to avoid any untoward incident....  sweat.gif
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yup..he said it's melamine board..
but he also asked me if ant to see the real thing..
have to go to his showroom...
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QUOTE(gjohn @ Sep 23 2010, 09:37 AM)
yup..he said it's melamine board..
but he also asked me if ant to see the real thing..
have to go to his showroom...
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if you really unsure about ur choice, i think u got no choice but to visit them coz everyone expectation was not the same. just choose the safe path. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gjohn @ Aug 17 2010, 09:16 AM)
wow...not that expensive and within my budget...
tahnks..can you PM me the contractors info.
did u do it urself or are u a contractor ur self?
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Hello, can you also please PM me the contact?
I am looking for some carpenter to do some work like this for my new home, but don't seem to be able to get it through the internet. If you know any good carpenter, pls PM or let me know here.. thank you so much ..



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QUOTE(hawaiihwh @ Oct 2 2010, 10:00 PM)
Hello, can you also please PM me the contact?
I am looking for some carpenter to do some work like this for my new home, but don't seem to be able to get it through the internet. If you know any good carpenter, pls PM or let me know here.. thank you so much ..
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you can just PMed Ernie Looi..
his company involves in kitch cab design..install
they also do partitions..wardrobes..dividers..thanks..
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once my unit is done with it.. will post you guys the photo and lets see how good is the item + with pricing tongue.gif
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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 5 2010, 10:17 AM)
once my unit is done with it.. will post you guys the photo and lets see how good is the item + with pricing tongue.gif
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thanks..is it custom made or ready made?
how much was it?can PM me the price?
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hi people, is the one in the pic considered as divideR? i modeled it with google sketch up without following the real ratio, just rough guesses. anyone can quote me with the price to do it? (only the divider)

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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Oct 5 2010, 07:04 PM)
hi people, is the one in the pic considered as divideR? i modeled it with google sketch up without following the real ratio, just rough guesses. anyone can quote me with the price to do it? (only the divider)

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only this picture cannot tell how big is the partition so how ppl can help u quote leh. and again it depend to the material that wanna use normally use plywood, but veneer plywood looks nicer and sometimes ppl used chipboard also. for richer ppl can use glass also then how? maybe u just give a estimated size then only can assume mah. icon_rolleyes.gif
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most impt thing.. u need to give them the measurement first
thenonly kind of wood / material
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melamine board is too solf to doing a divider, say if you take heavy thing and knock the divider ecidently, the divider may broken.

and solid wood for divider is too expensive and not a good ideal.

we normally did it with ply wood inside with nyatoh ply or laminated finish.

To build a divider, DIY really not a good ideal, because you have to buy a lot of tools and material and you not really use in future, so all the cost counting in, you may not really get cheaper compare to ask contractor to custom made for you.
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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Oct 8 2010, 11:09 AM)
1.melamine board is too solf to doing a divider, say if you take heavy thing and knock the divider ecidently, the divider may broken.

2. and solid wood for divider is too expensive and not a good ideal.

3. we normally did it with ply wood inside with nyatoh ply or laminated finish.

4. To build a divider, DIY really not a good ideal, because you have to buy a lot of tools and material and you not really use in future, so all the cost counting in, you may not really get cheaper compare to ask contractor to custom made for you.
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1. not really agree on that, coz i have not seen any of the divider broken. accidently or not also won't broke the melamine board but will derailed or misposition the divider. whistling.gif

2. YES, totally agree it was too expensive to consider this options. if affordable also dun do lah save our planet by save our trees. thumbup.gif need 10-20 years to replant the trees that have been chopped down.

3. YES, agree too recycled material will be better option coz this type will have same or better effect if the design or colour combination was right. another type call veneer which is more expensive also in this plywood category. rolleyes.gif

4. YES, dun waste ur precious time on this DIY thinggy coz i told in this forum before u'll end up paying even more than the machinery itself. eg. have to ask professional to redo again. u know how to calculate the costs? drool.gif

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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Oct 5 2010, 07:04 PM)
hi people, is the one in the pic considered as divideR? i modeled it with google sketch up without following the real ratio, just rough guesses. anyone can quote me with the price to do it? (only the divider)

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Actually the divider can do in batter way.
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haha no worries bro, and dint say i want to diy . 'sweat'' i only did the sketches cause i want to have my own concept and let the designer do it. anyone know any good id in penang?
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What i saw from other contractor is, they just using a single pcs of melamine board cut it to few and fix it as a divider, by this way, a melamine board are so call chipboard, actually is too solf to as a divider with the way i said.

Of coz you can use melamine to build a (box) to be divider but the ending of each board will only able to seal with PVC trimming or ABS, which i think is too ugry to be as a divider.
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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Oct 9 2010, 04:39 PM)
What i saw from other contractor is, they just using a single pcs of melamine board cut it to few and fix it as a divider, by this way, a melamine board are so call chipboard, actually is too solf to as a divider with the way i said.

Of coz you can use melamine to build a (box) to be divider but the ending of each board will only able to seal with PVC trimming or ABS, which i think is too ugry to be as a divider.
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well some may prefer the cheaper alternative and some will go for the outlook (2 different results). so the questions is not ugly or durability (yes, depend how u construct it) it's how much is the budget to get the things done without compromise the quality of the final products. there is no right or wrong issues here, just to compare the pros and cons of all the material available in the market and i am sure the consumers have to come out with their own decision to purchase what type of the material at what price. Forum = Sharing.... i explained what i understand, so there's no RIGHT or WRONG. you got ur own decision. PEACE cool.gif
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Using solid wood as pillar then put glass in between to become divider will nice and long lasting.
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Oct 10 2010, 11:12 PM)
well some may prefer the cheaper alternative and some will go for the outlook (2 different results). so the questions is not ugly or durability (yes, depend how u construct it) it's how much is the budget to get the things done without compromise the quality of the final products. there is no right or wrong issues here, just to compare the pros and cons of all the material available in the market and i am sure the consumers have to come out with their own decision to purchase what type of the material at what price. Forum = Sharing.... i explained what i understand, so there's no RIGHT or WRONG. you got ur own decision. PEACE  cool.gif
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For contractor, yes, as long as can done deal, what every material you request i will just do it, and who care about the outlook is nice or not, since i am not the 1 who using. But, me as a designer, i will never let me client to have this kind of finishing product, and in fact there is many diff way to do it with the similar budget, and i will suggest them a diff material and same budget and batter out come. Is just only diff position point of view only.
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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Oct 11 2010, 10:11 AM)
For contractor, yes, as long as can done deal, what every material you request i will just do it, and who care about the outlook is nice or not, since i am not the 1 who using. But, me as a designer, i will never let me client to have this kind of finishing product, and in fact there is many diff way to do it with the similar budget, and i will suggest them a diff material and same budget and batter out come. Is just only diff position point of view only.
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very true. that's why i said no right or wrong..... thumbup.gif
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last week, went to my unit and seems the divider is already up )

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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 18 2010, 01:17 PM)
last week, went to my unit and seems the divider is already up )

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wow....very nice..how much does this cost??or the house comes bundled with this design?
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no le.. initially it comes with that 'steel' (behind the divider) where we will be taking that out soon )
the quotation for this divider (Rm 1500) which i think it is reasonable (for the glass panel, it cost us around 1 K .. so additional rm 500 should be good )

maybe the price is different if there are lot more of renovation being done )

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So there should be glass panel in between the pillar ?
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initially, there was.. but then the divider will be "straight" form.
So i decided to take out the glass idea and make it just be plain divider only


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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 18 2010, 11:48 PM)
initially, there was.. but then the divider will be "straight" form.
So i decided to take out the glass idea and make it just be plain divider only
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what is the material that u used? whistling.gif
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err ia lso not that sure +_+ .. just talked too the guy ... then recommendation + our concern ... = final product tongue.gif


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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 19 2010, 02:32 PM)
err ia lso not that sure +_+ .. just talked too the guy ... then recommendation + our concern ... = final product tongue.gif
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is look like veneer, but i also not too sure.
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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 19 2010, 02:32 PM)
err ia lso not that sure +_+ .. just talked too the guy ... then recommendation + our concern ... = final product tongue.gif
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u take a close up photo then maybe we can shed some lights leh.....
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post Oct 19 2010, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Oct 19 2010, 02:49 PM)
is look like veneer, but i also not too sure.
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not really, formica also got possibility geh. see if that divider have a rounded edge or not. if got 100 sure it's chipboard. if not, still got few possibilities formica, plywood, veneer..... i think 1500 for only do a divider in veneer is out.
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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 18 2010, 05:46 PM)
no le.. initially it comes with that 'steel' (behind the divider) where we will be taking that out soon )
the quotation for this divider (Rm 1500) which i think it is reasonable (for the glass panel, it cost us around 1 K .. so additional rm 500 should be good  )

maybe the price is different if there are lot more of renovation being done )
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1.5k is reasonable i think..
it only takes 1 day to install right??

QUOTE(cwhong @ Oct 19 2010, 08:51 PM)
u take a close up photo then maybe we can shed some lights leh.....
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yeah yeah..take some closeup..
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post Oct 20 2010, 10:08 AM

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i also not sure it took how long for the installation but contractor told me it is a quick job ) within a day or two the most...
*din guard their work also tongue.gif

ok ok . will try to take a snapshot this weekend again hmm
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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 18 2010, 11:48 PM)
initially, there was.. but then the divider will be "straight" form.
So i decided to take out the glass idea and make it just be plain divider only
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Is true also with glass it look "straight" form. The good thing if you have aircond, then with the glass it help to keep the aircond "air" in the area.
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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 20 2010, 10:08 AM)
i also not sure it took how long for the installation but contractor told me it is a quick job ) within a day or two the most...
*din guard their work also tongue.gif

ok ok . will try to take a snapshot this weekend again hmm
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ok..thanks
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post Oct 31 2010, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Eleganz Concept @ Oct 19 2010, 02:49 PM)
is look like veneer, but i also not too sure.
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yo .. forgot to take a snap shot close up ,... as per informed by the contractor.. it is something like "formega" errr not sure if it is correct as it is based on my listenning tongue.gif

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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Oct 31 2010, 01:16 AM)
yo .. forgot to take a snap shot close up ,... as per informed by the contractor.. it is something like "formega" errr not sure if it is correct as it is based on my listenning tongue.gif
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formica !!
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Any contractor for to build this wooden pillar divider?
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post Dec 15 2011, 01:54 PM

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around RM1500
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post Dec 24 2011, 10:57 PM

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why not use an open cabinet as divider? only 80 ringgit for 12 slots cabinet...
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hi taikos here,

need to tumpang thread and ask few questions and hope taikos here could help.

1) normally who do we ask to install the divider? contractor for changing tiles or contractor for plaster ceiling or contractor for TV cabinet/kitchen cabinet or ???

2) will it be troublesome to install a divider that is up to the ceiling if everything has done (plaster ceiling, new floor tiles) ??

many thanks!



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Can anybody recommend where can i find shops which provides the wood pillar divider installation ?
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post Dec 20 2013, 02:10 PM

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I am also looking for divider. PM pse.
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post Sep 22 2015, 10:57 PM

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Looking for divider as well please pm examples and quotations, thank you
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looking for divider as well please pm me for examples and quotations thanks you !
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Anyone know how much would divider like this cost?
About 10ft length 9ft height.

Looks like polycarbonate material 🤔🤔


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