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 TTDI Alam Impian Shah Alam, by NAZA TTDI

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post Nov 10 2010, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(y2kfirewalker @ Nov 10 2010, 02:35 PM)
Hi All,

Anyone knows when will the snp signing date be?

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I was told soon, likely next week.

Be careful though, the developer is very evasive about letting the purchaser step into the house, although booking has been paid.

The SPA specifically states that the house is being purchased "as is, where is" but Naza TTDI is refusing to let us into the house, not to mention that the SPA is not following schedule H but a normal subsale SPA. The only good thing is an additional of a short 15-month defect liability period.

I am a purchaser but currently having doubts about the professionalism of Naza TTDI. Any one has had any problems with them?

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with an “as is, where is” property, whatever problems you discover after you won the home are yours to repair and you will have no recourse on the seller

Source: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...13191253AA8NiTn
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QUOTE(naing @ Nov 10 2010, 04:43 PM)
I was suspicious about that term "as is, where is" in the agreement but i thought that it was my fault not to request them to show me the house first. Now I know that it is standard for every buyer. I will definitely force them to let me see the house first before signing S&P. It has to be that way. Otherwise, they should not put "as is, where is" term.

Any comments on this agenda is very much appreciated.
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A 10 min call with Naza TTDI went no where... evasive and they used the terms "under-construction" and "completed" whenever it suits them.
- Cannot see house because under construction and no CF
- 15month liability only because house completed (think standard is 18 or 24months?)
- Can only see the house after signing snp and paying the 10% then getting loan and settling remaining 90% (!) -> That's already buying the house

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QUOTE(y2kfirewalker @ Nov 10 2010, 07:16 PM)
Hi Zenquix,
1. May I know what is schedule H and how it differs from subsale SPA.
Schedule H applies to under construction property and specifically states when they can get the money etc. + money withheld during liability period + some protection clause for the homebuyer (made mandatory by housing development act). Subsale SPA is self determined, basically written by the lawyer anyway they want.

Note: Lawyer is representating Naza TTDI. House buyer is UNREPRESENTED.

My suggestion: Looking @ their tactics, better get another lawyer or someone knowledgeable to read the SPA with you.

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2. Since the house will be "as is, where is" what liability will be covered, and what are not covered?
Not stated. There is a defect liability clause of 15-months but was not clear whether there are exclusions. Will read thru it again once I get the copy.


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Other issues.....

This evening, called Naza TTDI and was told that they want us to pay the balance 10% during the signing of S&P...what BS is this! mad.gif ...after I argued where to get the money....they asked me to apply personal loan!.....after I argued again....then later they say they can wait for EPF withdrawal.
It is standard to pay the balance 10% downpayment upon signing the S&P.

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Then was told.... if the bank doesn't disburse the full payment to them latest 1 MONTH after S&P buyer will have to bear the interest..again..what BS is this! mad.gif.. I thought usually we have 3+1 months to settle this after S&P. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I thought I read that it was 3+1. Will check again.



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QUOTE(Serofax @ Nov 11 2010, 03:01 AM)
As for not being able to see the house before signing... i think its almost the same as those buying houses before construction. WHen i bought my unit in putra heights, there wasnt even a show unit to begin with =.= i signed my S&P when my house was still a pile of dirt and grass hahaha...
Understood. But in those cases (under construction property) we are protected by a mandatory S&P format, which TTDI Land is not doing now.
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QUOTE(naing @ Nov 11 2010, 01:23 PM)
You should press hard on TTDI to look inside the house before you sign S&P. That's what I am going to do. I will go to TTDI office this weekend and i will keep you updated on this matter.
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Might see you there this weekend.
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QUOTE(Serofax @ Nov 11 2010, 01:37 PM)
saturday or sunday? i'll be going to their office as well to see what they have and dig up some info on future launches wink.gif

any info on TTDI's past projects?...comments or complaints? seems to me most are quite high end and not many projects too.
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Not sure yet. have not been able to get much info and feedback of their past projects

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QUOTE(y2kfirewalker @ Nov 10 2010, 07:16 PM)

Then was told.... if the bank doesn't disburse the full payment to them latest 1 MONTH after S&P buyer will have to bear the interest..again..what BS is this! mad.gif.. I thought usually we have 3+1 months to settle this after S&P. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Confirmed that this is 90 days + additional 30 days with penalty
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QUOTE(engm85 @ Nov 12 2010, 10:55 AM)
nice. u called the TTDI and confirm this, right?.. thanks ya.

and how about the rumors that we need to pay 10% upon signing the S&P?
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I am looking at the S&P.

That is not the rumor but confirmed. Balance 10% paid at signing of S&P.
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QUOTE(engm85 @ Nov 12 2010, 11:42 AM)
owh ic. how do you get the S&P already?.. i thought it only available starting from next week.  tongue.gif
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You can request to sign now like me tongue.gif

QUOTE(y2kfirewalker @ Nov 12 2010, 02:24 PM)
Thank God its 3+1 months after signing S&P ... so that means Naza just BS'ing me in order to get their money early...tq. Zenquix


Added on November 12, 2010, 2:25 pm

Zenquix..any other issues that we all should take note in the S&P?
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There are some clauses I don't like but still going thru with the lawyer. As I mentioned previously don't expect a standard under construction S&P as this 'completed' property is not protected under the housing act.
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I don't want to cause misinformation until I get clarification smile.gif
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QUOTE(y2kfirewalker @ Nov 16 2010, 12:26 PM)
I was informed by both the sale and the actual contrctor of TTDI Alam Impian (chit chat with them when visiting my house), that the construction of the anti-climb fencing will commence after receiving CF. It'll be 6ft tall, using some kind of iron, not brick....you can google anti-climb fencing to have an idea...
You managed to visit your house?
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QUOTE(y2kfirewalker @ Nov 16 2010, 01:59 PM)
You still studying the S&P? when is the last day to sign?
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Will be seeing the lawyer after Haji.

Stuff I am concerned with
- no built up size of house in S&P (should be corrected)
- some dimensions missing in the layouts (clerical)
- a very weird clause in regards to refinancing of the land by the developer (lawyer says that clause is standard sweat.gif )
- a weird clause in regards to right of way (more for strata developments, waiting for lawyer to feedback)

last day to sign is 14 days from the date of the letter from TTDI.

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was there today. 2 units still available. One corner and one intermediate.
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Did not really look. Just saw that it still had stickers.
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QUOTE(y2kfirewalker @ Nov 22 2010, 03:53 PM)
So far that I noticed.....

1. You are deemed to have been inspected and accepted your house when signing the spa..so I think we all should at least check the house first? Maybe can ask them to bring you to your house before signing ....

2. Defect liability period...one paragraph says 1 month after you complained...and they didn't execute the repairing..you can find own contractor..and claim later ...but the following paragraph says..after 1 month must give them additonal 14 days for them to repair before you can start repairing ...so is it 30 or 44 days before you can repair and claim?  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(naing @ Nov 22 2010, 04:02 PM)
I just met with Christine (my lawyer from Abdul Rahman) last saturday and cleared the confusion on Maybank involvement and right of way.

What i understood was that TTDI got loan from Maybank using the master title of the whole project. Once our bank release the money, some part of it will goes to Maybank and they will release that portion of land to us individually.

For right of way, it's only giving right of way for the area outside of our lots such as road, grass land, park and so on.

Now I am quite ok with SPA. Maybe I am too naive:)
Waiting for the loan to get approved. Once loan approved I will sign the SPA.

And definitely need to go inside and check it as it is our right to do it.
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The S&P is not perfect, but to be honest we got manuevered into it. If you look at the offer letter you signed when you 'booked', you have already inspected the property + accept any S&P that they prepare.

Defect period is short @ 15 months but that is already in the offer letter as well.

The line about Maybank, based on schedule G should have read any banks and/or finance institutions. At the current form, it seems Naza TTDI only has obligation to discharge the loan from Maybank. If they decide to invoke clause 2 and charge the land to some other bank, we may a headache. The lawyer did say not likely as another bank would know that the land would be charged to our own banks.

The wording of right of way is weird. It is for owners of adjoining land .. but we don't own the land of the roads (look at the lots that they subdivided) as they intend to transfer the roads to the local authorities. I would expect the line to more in a strata development (similar to Mah Sing's Garden Residence) but why here? Even the lawyer cannot explain.

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QUOTE(naing @ Nov 22 2010, 04:25 PM)
To the Spira buyers and authority, I guess. The lawyer used the example that we have to give the right of way to government if they want to build something on free space next to our lot.


Added on November 22, 2010, 4:34 pm
Probably, the house has been completed for more than 6 months. if you add that 6 months to 15 months warranty, then we got 21 months. Again I am naive in here:)

If something could go wrong within 18 months in another new development, it must go wrong in 12 months in our case as the houses have been there for 6 months already...

I guess it's only the rational explanation for their action...
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To be frank, if the houses are already ready for 6 months, why still not handed over from contractor to developer?
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QUOTE(naing @ Nov 22 2010, 07:59 PM)
That's the mystery:) I heard from comments posted in TTDI facebook that SPIRA was ready since March but road connecting to there was not ready. That's why the launch was delayed. And someone said there was a dispute between I&P and TTDI on land title and the delay was because of that. Not sure how true are those:)
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If there was/is a land title dispute, makes me worry about the individual title transfer.
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To be very frank, loan disbursement is a bit iffy. Currently 2 things is not there - 1) stamped S&P, 2) individual title. Bank lawyer says that any processinig of loan agreement would depend on whether bank wants to wait or waive for the 2 items.




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the road signs are wrong? :S
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QUOTE(naing @ Nov 23 2010, 05:21 PM)
Today, I saw a new posting of 22X70 SPIRA house in iproperty, asking for 580k. It seems like 580k is the starting price for sub-sale of SPIRA:)

Regarding Viola, I heard from a colleague who went to TTDI booth in the star property fair that 480k is for 22X80. Getting mixed signals in pricing of Viola:)

According to TTDI sales lady, the pricing could be out 2 weeks before the launching date. The pricing of Viola should be out by now if 1st week of Dec is true for launching date....
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weird for subsale to be 580k when you can get a bigger viola for 100k cheaper....

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