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TSmatthijn
post Aug 11 2010, 05:50 PM, updated 16y ago

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What are the operational differences between Linux and UNIX? Why would a programmer choose one over the other? What about software selection and ease of programming (with already basic knowledge of programming, and wanting to dive in to open source)?

In terms of Linux, what makes things like Red Hat cost money and things like Ubuntu not? Is pay-for OS based on Linux better quality than freely distributed OS? What is the best choice for Linux-or-Unix OS for a budding programmer?
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QUOTE(matthijn @ Aug 11 2010, 05:50 PM)
What are the operational differences between Linux and UNIX? Why would a programmer choose one over the other? What about software selection and ease of programming (with already basic knowledge of programming, and wanting to dive in to open source)?

In terms of Linux, what makes things like Red Hat cost money and things like Ubuntu not? Is pay-for OS based on Linux better quality than freely distributed OS? What is the best choice for Linux-or-Unix OS for a budding programmer?
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That is a lot of questions within 2 paragraphs.. hehe

Google and wikipedia would be your best place to start reading, paste all those questions into google ...

Do tell us what programming language you wanted to learn ?

Open Source ,just download the source codes, read it, try to understand what the code does, read it again... and modify it to your liking, if they are useful to the rest of the community, do contribute your codes / modules / plugins back ...

I've used different types of unix : linux, aix, digital unix, solaris and now mac ox (Darwin) as my laptop.. once u know unix, all those variant should be quite similar... just learn the differences.. but the unix concept is still the same same..


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post Aug 13 2010, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(matthijn @ Aug 11 2010, 05:50 PM)
In terms of Linux, what makes things like Red Hat cost money and things like Ubuntu not? Is pay-for OS based on Linux better quality than freely distributed OS?
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The differences between paid OS and freely distributed, as far as I know, is their customer services & support.. If you're using free OS such as Ubuntu or Fedora, the only support you'll get is from the distro's community. But if you're using the paid one, you'll the support from the vendor..

Correct me if I'm wrong smile.gif
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post Aug 13 2010, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(hotfloppy @ Aug 13 2010, 08:32 PM)
The differences between paid OS and freely distributed, as far as I know, is their customer services & support.. If you're using free OS such as Ubuntu or Fedora, the only support you'll get is from the distro's community. But if you're using the paid one, you'll the support from the vendor..

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yupz .. and normally paid OS e.g. redhat enterprise OS are used for servers rather than workstations

if u r going for all round programming OS, fedora would be a good startup since it has all the packages required to install the IDEs and related software u need. However, depends on what kind of programming language u r aiming at.

Most of the time any linux distro should do fine so depends on ur choice of KDE / GNOME / XCFE .... or even pure terminal environment brows.gif
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post Aug 14 2010, 10:42 AM

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In term of programming, any distro should do the jobs. But, for a beginner in Linux/*nix, IMHO, do consider using a popular & n00b-friendly distro such as Ubuntu due to their large community. So, if we stuck on something, chances are, there's already (or will be soon) a solution posted out there. And, as far as I know, there's a lots of tutorial related to Ubuntu on the Net at this moment. I'm also rely on this bunch of tutorial since I got nowhere to turn when I got stucked on something.

So, its a matter of n00b friendly and community, IMHO, when its your first time trying a Linux, ALONE! Unless you've already got a teacher or some-sort-of-guru friends, than thats another story wink.gif

p/s: I'm not an Ubuntu council members or anything, even not a members of local Ubuntu group (most of them too SOMBONG & BERLAGAK mad.gif even bukan semua la..). Its just, by Ubuntu I gain my experiences on Linux/*nix thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(hotfloppy @ Aug 14 2010, 10:42 AM)
In term of programming, any distro should do the jobs. But, for a beginner in Linux/*nix, IMHO, do consider using a popular & n00b-friendly distro such as Ubuntu due to their large community. So, if we stuck on something, chances are, there's already (or will be soon) a solution posted out there. And, as far as I know, there's a lots of tutorial related to Ubuntu on the Net at this moment. I'm also rely on this bunch of tutorial since I got nowhere to turn when I got stucked on something.

So, its a matter of n00b friendly and community, IMHO, when its your first time trying a Linux, ALONE! Unless you've already got a teacher or some-sort-of-guru friends, than thats another story wink.gif

p/s: I'm not an Ubuntu council members or anything, even not a members of local Ubuntu group (most of them too SOMBONG & BERLAGAK  mad.gif even bukan semua la..). Its just, by Ubuntu I gain my experiences on Linux/*nix  thumbup.gif
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OOT: woot ? there's local ubuntu group? as in msia based?
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post Aug 14 2010, 10:53 PM

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wohoho... ubuntu users are sombong and berlagak? tongue.gif luckily I am the suser rclxms.gif
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post Aug 15 2010, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(terry3386 @ Aug 14 2010, 10:02 PM)
OOT: woot ? there's local ubuntu group? as in msia based?
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yeap.. there is.. and if i'm not mistaken, every single country got their own local group (and its the official one).. nod.gif

QUOTE(powerwoot @ Aug 14 2010, 10:53 PM)
wohoho... ubuntu users are sombong and berlagak?  tongue.gif luckily I am the suser  rclxms.gif
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not the user in general la.. but the members of the group only.. nod.gif
hey buddy, do opensuse got a gnome desktop environment ?
i'd love to try but dont like kde hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hotfloppy @ Aug 15 2010, 08:38 AM)
hey buddy, do opensuse got a gnome desktop environment ?
i'd love to try but dont like kde  hmm.gif
yup there is .. have a look here : GNOME - openSUSE

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post Aug 15 2010, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(hotfloppy @ Aug 15 2010, 08:38 AM)
yeap.. there is.. and if i'm not mistaken, every single country got their own local group (and its the official one)..  nod.gif
not the user in general la.. but the members of the group only..  nod.gif
hey buddy, do opensuse got a gnome desktop environment ?
i'd love to try but dont like kde  hmm.gif
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During first installation you'll get the prompt what DE is going to install either KDE, Gnome bla bla. KDE is the default but this time (opensuse 11.3) I choosed Gnome over KDE due to some reasons. Gnome desktop is solid as usual. Opensuse has altered it's Gnome where the taskbar is at the bottom as opposed to conventional Gnome at the top.
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post Aug 15 2010, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(matthijn @ Aug 11 2010, 05:50 PM)
What are the operational differences between Linux and UNIX?
without being too technical the operational differences can be the same or vastly different depending on the application, i.e. it can be designed to be the computer system for a fighter jet or desktop computer for home use.

Why would a programmer choose one over the other?
again would depend on the application, if the application is for a desktop computer then one would usually choose linux first as there are alot of free sources to start from, why re-invent the wheel?

What about software selection and ease of programming (with already basic knowledge of programming, and wanting to dive in to open source)?
when you're in the NIX community this is the catch phrase you'll hear alot if u want to be spoon fed "write your own program if it doesn't exist" usually it is quite easy with a C compiler built-in every OS, of course there are alot of resources online like sourceforge with codes for most applications you might need. 

In terms of Linux, what makes things like Red Hat cost money and things like Ubuntu not?
red hat is for enterprise server solutions comes with specific applications and programs for better security and performance, thus the programmers that do this need to be paid so thats why you need to pay. Ubuntu is a unique case as the owner pays for the development but gives it away for free.....a philanthropist. 

Is pay-for OS based on Linux better quality than freely distributed OS?
depends on what u want there are game emulators for games free available then there are paid versions, of course the paid ones work better as it is a big project requiring many man hours to get things right while the free one is done by a group of programmers on their own time. it is not a matter of quality as there no linux programmer/application maker would wanna lose face by making a lousy one just that if they are not paid to do it and only on their free time then progress is always slower with less features.

What is the best choice for Linux-or-Unix OS for a budding programmer?
i suggest you start with slackware as an OS then development platform

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QUOTE(terry3386 @ Aug 14 2010, 09:02 PM)
OOT: woot ? there's local ubuntu group? as in msia based?
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yes. they have a forum IIRC

I'm just a lurker there though tongue.gif
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will try OpenSuSE when my streamyx arrive..
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Like ubuntu is default nice with gnome, openSUSE is just nice with KDE. I've been try to use gnome at openSUSE but no ok...
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QUOTE(infinity.linux @ Aug 16 2010, 08:23 AM)
Like ubuntu is default nice with gnome, openSUSE is just nice with KDE. I've been try to use gnome at openSUSE but no ok...
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yea kinda agree with u .. tried Fedora with gnome b4 .. it just doesn't feel "right" with it >.<
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QUOTE(powerwoot @ Aug 14 2010, 10:53 PM)
wohoho... ubuntu users are sombong and berlagak?  tongue.gif luckily I am the suser  rclxms.gif
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Hehe, I am curious why you said that...

I use ubuntu too ... but for non-GUI I use debian...

But lately I read news saying that ubuntu (or the company behind it) is not contributing back to the open source community....

Anyway, let not go into a "my linux distribution is better than yr linux distribution" debate...
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post Aug 16 2010, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(stan001 @ Aug 16 2010, 02:45 PM)
Hehe, I am curious why you said that...

I use ubuntu too ... but for non-GUI I use debian...

But lately I read news saying that ubuntu (or the company behind it)  is not contributing back to the open source community....

Anyway, let not go into a "my linux distribution is better than yr linux distribution" debate...
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But lately I read news saying that ubuntu (or the company behind it)  is not contributing back to the open source community....
I heard that the company does not contribute back to the kernel.org hmm.gif

btw, hehe no distro flame here otherwise until the end of the day nobody wins.
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i dont see any "my distro is better than yours" type of guy here (yet).. so, we better keep it that way..

err.. is fedora default DE is KDE ? i thought its GNOME.. blink.gif cry.gif

/me is GNOME's kipas-susah-mati.. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(hotfloppy @ Aug 16 2010, 06:51 PM)
i dont see any "my distro is better than yours" type of guy here (yet).. so, we better keep it that way..
you called?? tongue.gif

YEAH!!! SLACKWARE IS THE BE..

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QUOTE(hotfloppy @ Aug 16 2010, 06:51 PM)
err.. is fedora default DE is KDE ? i thought its GNOME..  blink.gif  cry.gif

/me is GNOME's kipas-susah-mati..  rclxm9.gif
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i find most of the distribution would stick with KDE, and sometimes i find them a bit odd... might be gnome having too much dependencies that force them to choose KDE? or issit KDE with it's window-ish interface actually drag user closer compared to gnome mac-ish layout??

for me... i just hate the foot logo...



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